i’ve never seen so many americans excited about china and the chinese language. good stuff, folks

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    One of the first things I was served upon opening the app was a Frieran meme. China really pointed at me and said “weeb”.

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          As I understand it, babies are initially able to produce and hear differences in basically any sound, but will in due time come to hone in on whichever sounds are used in the language they’re being raised with. Listening for only a few sounds and remembering how to produce only a few sounds reduces the cognitive load, basically.

          I’m able to make a pretty broad range of sounds, but I’m not sure how exactly I gained this ability. A part of it was certainly taking the time to learn the International Phonetic Alphabet and actually consciously learning the mechanics of making different sounds, but another part of it I think was just always enjoying making weird mouth noises, beatboxing, mimicking things, or doing silly voices or accents. Growing up with two languages probably also helped, but I’m told I have a “slight foreign accent” in Norwegian, so the exact extent of that help is a bit questionable.

          Anybody, in any case, is able to learn to make new sounds and distinctions. It’s probably easier than you might think, although it also might take some perseverance for some people, and you might never get perfect native-like pronunciation — but why should you want that, anyways? Own your accent, I say.

          I think the problem with learning new sounds is oftentimes just having bad teachers, though. For instance rolled R’s actually are fairly common (non-phonemically) in American English, especially in “what’d” or sometimes other contractions ending in -t’d: /wətəd/ → /wəɾəd/ → /wəɾəɾ‿/ → /wəɾɾ‿/ → /wər‿/ — this coalescence of /ɾəɾ/ to /r/ is considered to be more widespread in African American Vernacular English compared to other forms of American English, though. Like if you’ve seen that viral video “I’ve Never Seen Cops Run This Fast” you probably noticed how the cameraman very prominently says “outta there” as “ou[r]ere” and “speed it up” as “spee[r]up”.

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          I don’t know fam, most adults with very directed study/practice can become fully fluent in a language in about a year. Babies take like whaat, 5 or 6 years before they start to become regularly coherent? And their vocabulary still sucks for years after that.

          You have the advantage of already knowing way more than babies so you’ve got more to build on.

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            3-5 years for the first language to a general level of fluency. The impressive part is that they can generally pick up fluency in a second language in a year with minimal instruction, and they can learn multiple at the same time.

            Unless it’s the only thing you’re doing, you’re not going to be fluent in a second language as an adult after a year of study.

            On a chemical level, children’s brains work differently to adults when they’re learning, it’s not a question of effort.

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          Nah babies are just able to dedicate most of their waking time to learning language, adults with jobs and responsibilities aren’t.

          If we could lock you in a room for a year and all you could do was sleep and practice Chinese, you’d be way better at it at the end of a year than a baby after 1 year.

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      My chinese ex trying to teach me to say hello:

      ex: “say ‘ni hao’”

      me: “ni hao”

      ex: “no, more like, ‘ni hao’”

      me: “ni hao”

      ex: “almost, try again: ‘ni hao’”

      me: “ni hao”

      ex: “great! perfect!”

      me: “ni hao”

      ex: “oh no not at all like that”

      and so on

      which iss all to say I really respect people who are able to learn languages as adults. it is difficult!

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      I’m not disputing any of this, however a lot of this is balanced by the fact that babies have to learn how to learn and what language is. You do not.

      If you moved to China, and your full time job was learning Chinese, and also your household chores were taken care of so you could focus on learning Chinese, by the end of the year you would be better at Chinese than a 3 or 4 year old born in China. You have a base understanding of how language works and don’t have to relearn the existence of grammar and sentence structure.

      If you and your 7 year old child were both put in that environment, the child would probably learn faster than you, I won’t dispute that. But the larger limiting factor is time spent.

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      3 months ago

      to change it to english to have to click the bottom left option on the home page, then click on the gear which takes you to settings, then the other gear, then the top option and then you can select english

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    Found something a bit weird, on profiles it looks like it shows users’ “IP Address”? But also that’s not long enough to be an IP address, and it’s not even made up of numbers? Can someone who knows Chinese clarify what this is?

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      All major social media platforms in China were ordered by law to reveal IP location (just the cities) of their users since April 2022 because a lot of anti-Russia comments were made by Taiwanese trolls when the war in Ukraine started.

      Most Chinese people are Russia simps and the social media fights got really ugly flamed by trolls, so they decided to just reveal the IP location of the users instead.

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        i’m in taiwan and it says 中國臺灣
        doesn’t make a difference to me

        it’s just an ip lookup

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          I don’t think many people use VPN at all. You only need it to bypass the firewall to browse certain foreign websites. Only a small fraction of people does that.

          But it is true that it would not be very effective against determined trolls posting from, say, Taiwan, because they can simply use VPN servers located inside China. Without showing the IP location, people will just endlessly accuse one another for being Taiwanese trolls without any proof. Surprisingly the flame wars did tone down substantially after this was introduced.

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          A lot of the TikTok people are moving with the assumption that their privacy and data are cooked regardless of platform, and are choosing to spite America/us corps. Not the average hexbear poster

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            I just assume that if I need to get a non-Christian abortion or not be racist, facebook already has an automated firehose for snitching my location and degree of thoughtcrime straight to the Schutzstaffel dispatch, merely waiting for President Musk to activate the autobot matrix of fascism, Chinese companies probably at least have a few hours delay due multilayered pipelines between shell corporations to bypass santactions.

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          If you’re located anywhere outside China it just says the country you’re in, not the city, and even for Chinese people it only shows the city they’re in if they’re located in a major one like Beijing or Shanghai (for a lot of people it just shows the province.) Idk to me it’s not a big deal if Xiaohongshu knows I’m in the Great Satan.