• tempest@lemmy.ca
      4·
      56 minutes ago

      I mean I’m pretty sure the American system is defined using SI units so it’s mostly because of American exceptionalism and a fetish for unit conversion.

      • Kay Ohtie@pawb.socialEnglish
        1·
        31 minutes ago

        Ain’t called the “imperial” system for nothing.

        Brits gave it to us and then we changed the spellings and decided it made us special I guess.

        So, partial credit where partial credit is due. It’s just way the fuck older.

  • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    6·
    8 hours ago

    You can’t convert them. Fluid ounces are volume. Regular ounces are weight (which isn’t quite the same as mass, though they’re used interchangeably on earth).

    1 fl oz = 1 oz when the substance is water (at slightly above freezing). Any other substance would involve a specific mass factor.

    • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
      12·
      21 hours ago

      Is that iOS? It looks different here on Android and I can’t tell how much of it is because I customized it. I don’t quite remember how I customized it but I remember that I did.

      My buttons are colored orange instead of blue, that’s definitely something I would do. The share button looks different, as does the top bar with the back button.

      • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
        18·
        21 hours ago

        Holy shit you made me realize there’s a Apple Android option on Voyager. I’m on an Android phone but I was using the Apple layout:

        Here’s Android comparison:

        NGL, I think I like the Apple one more…

        Also voyager voting buttons are Blue/Red no matter what theme you use unless you specifically pick the reddit Blue/Orange theme.

        • qevlarr@lemmy.world
          15·
          19 hours ago

          I literally can’t tell the difference, but if you tell me, I will instantly become strongly opinionated which one is best

          • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
            7·
            17 hours ago

            Of the minor but noticable changes:

            • Bottom icons and text are bigger for some reason on Apple mode. Maybe more readable?
            • Share icon is the “network dots” on Android, but the weird “up-arrow page” icon on Apple. Honestly I’ve never liked that Apple icon, hated Safari cause that icon doesn’t scream “share” to me.

            Biggest issue for me? Why the hell does Android mode throw a grey bar at the top unlike the all pitch-black that Apple mode has. It looks clean and smooth on that mode and jarring and ugly on Android mode 😮‍💨

            Edit: So I figured it out, if you have “pure black dark” mode enabled, it will apply that to the bars on Apple mode, but not Android mode. Top bar also doesn’t follow the app color scheme, it’s white no matter what, unlike the blue in Apple mode.

          • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
            3·
            17 hours ago

            Go to settings > appearance > themes, scroll down and there should be a category saying “System”, pick between Android and Apple.

  • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    40·
    22 hours ago

    As always, just a great unit of measure.

    • Is called “fluid weight”, but is actually a unit of volume. All liquids have the same density right?
    • An “imperial fl.oz.” is ~28.41mL
    • A “US customary fl.oz.” is ~29.57mL
    • A “US food labeling fl.oz.” is 30mL

    Also found out that you have “liquid pints” and “dry pints” as well, for some reason.

    • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
      26·
      21 hours ago

      This is the true reason metric is better. A lot of people think it’s inherently better for various reasons: it’s decimal and it’s based on the constants of nature. While nice, that doesn’t make it a better system.

      The reason it’s a better system is that there has only ever been one metre, there has only ever been one litre, there has only ever been one kilogram. If you use any metric unit there is no ambiguity, there has never been ambiguity and there never will be ambiguity. There’s just one system.

      For the imperial system and all of its branches and predecessors, that’s just not the case. The foot has had different measures, the mile has had different measures, the fl oz still has different measures as you noted. You can speak to someone and say some measure, they hear your exact words and interpret it as some different measures.

      That’s the real problem with imperial, and that’s why metric was invented.

        • NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de
          4·
          8 hours ago

          I’m well aware that the units were redefined at various points, but the new definition was always nearly identical to the previous one. Everyday usage was never affected.

      • blarghly@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        17 hours ago

        Iirc, metric was invented because french merchants and tax collectors couldnt agree on what their units of measure actually were. There were riots.

      • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works
        23·
        14 hours ago

        Metric has its advantages but imperial does as well, primarily that the units of measure that humans generally interact with have more whole number factors than in metric, making it very easy to “work with.”

        A foot is 12 inches, which has whole number factors of 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12. A yard is three feet.

        So, it’s really easy to divide things into half, quarters, thirds, etc. Great for construction math, great for a lot of stuff.

        I’m not saying that you can’t achieve the same end with metric. I’ve lived in many countries and I’m very familiar with both, and I know 333mm is pretty dang accurate if you want to divide a meter in thirds, but it’s not an exact measurement.

        For most use I don’t think it really matters. Metric is a much “cleaner” system but imperial does have its advantages.

        They both work. Nobody quibbles about which version of an oz you’re using in daily life. I bet most people don’t even know there’s different versions because it doesn’t make a difference in 99.9% of situations, and in situations where it does people know the differences.

        • kshade@lemmy.world
          1·
          25 minutes ago

          If you really need that level of precision for some reason you can just write 1/3m as a fraction.

          • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works
            1·
            10 minutes ago

            Sure, but that doesn’t translate into real world as well, it doesn’t cleanly divide on a tape/calculator, which is what I was saying is an advantage.

        • uienia@lemmy.world
          21·
          8 hours ago

          No, none of that is true. You think it is easier to work with because it is what you are most used to. People who are only familiar with metric have absolutely no problem working with metric, and your “A foot is 12 inches, which has whole number factors of 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 12. A yard is three feet” is basically goobledigook for metric users in that context and not some kind of advantage.

          • pishadoot@sh.itjust.works
            11·
            15 minutes ago

            I’ve done years of construction with metric. I’m very familiar with it.

            I would counter your point that you are the one who is unfamiliar with imperial measures if it sounds like goobledigook to you. Yeah, it’s weird if you’re unfamiliar with it. But in practice it is easier to work with for many day to day applications for humans.

            You have to get used to it, same as folks that are familiar with imperial have to get used to metric. I would never say that metric is bad and if I had to choose one until I die I would probably choose metric due to the ways the different volume/length/mass measures align together, but they’re both fine. Even the advantage of the alignment in different areas practically never affects anyone in day to day living, even if it’s more elegant.

            This is a dumb hill for you to die on when you haven’t demonstrated actual experience to back your opinion, and I attribute it more to a superiority complex of some sort than a good argument.

    • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      16 hours ago

      Teaspoons and tablespoons do the same thing. A US customary teaspoon (found very often in cooking recipes, a set of measuring spoons is extremely basic kit in an American kitchen) is something like 4.98mL, a tablespoon is 3 teaspoons. So you’ll find a lot of products especially medicines and such diluted for dosing at 5 and 15mL, to be extremely close to a tea- or tablespoon. Because if you need to give your child a dose of dimetapp at 3 in the morning and don’t have the little measuring cup that those come with, you’ve got your kitchen measuring spoons.

      A fluid ounce is two tablespoons.

    • CuriousRefugee@discuss.tchncs.de
      55·
      23 hours ago

      Ridiculous. The metric system is all the same. How many millimommies in a decamommy? I dunno, but it’s 10 or 100 or 1000 or something like that. Everything is a factor of ten, and the unit conversions are even a factor of 10! You can look that up in a table, and a 6-year-old can properly measure things. Booooring!

      Now look at the Imperial/English/Standard/US/Florida system: how many hogshead in a cubic furlong? Nobody knows offhand, so you have to get creative. Is it a US standard colonial, also called a tobacco hogshead? Or is it the British hogshead? It may depend on the contents, like whether it’s brandy or sugar or fish (the species matters!). You can convert to firkins if you wish, but that’s optional. As for furlongs, it used to depend on the horse, but sadly they standardized it to 40 rods, because German feet were longer than English feet, probably due to the toes. Fortunately, some states in the US still disagree on definitions, so the length may depend on the state. Once you figure that out, you can easily calculate that using a English wine hogshead and an international furlong leads to about 34,136,818.7 hogshead in a cubic furlong. Explain to me how that’s not better than your silly metric system!

    • papertowels@mander.xyz
      1·
      45 minutes ago

      The shortest unit of time in the multiverse is the New York Second, defined as the period of time between the traffic lights turning green and the cab behind you honking.

      - Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies (Discworld, #14; Witches, #4)

  • enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    9·
    21 hours ago

    Also everytime I see “lbs” I will always read it as “L B S” separately by default. I forget how did libera become pound.