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sees two trans people with bad takes
Aha! Trans people aren’t real!
Yeah it’s literally such a reactionary position. I know a guy who acts like this, sides with X minority group until someone in that minority group does something he doesn’t like, it’s the liberal playbook.
I think Mr. Empanada needs to log off for a while, his lashing out reminds me of how I acted a little over a year ago before I deleted most social media. It isn’t healthy to watch these massacres unfolding 24/7.
damn dude it’s totally possible to criticize white trans people for their horrible opinions without all that collateral damage.
And miss the opportunity to throw all trans people under the bus for some cheap edge points? Nah
i imagine what he was trying to do was some kind of “white liberal trans people are still white liberals” thing rather than being edgy to be edgy, but he should stay the fuck in his lane.
That’s not even close to what he said though? He’s saying most of why a lot of horrible white people are trans is for victim points. That’s a lot different from saying white trans people are still white at the end of the day.
nah he doesn’t say it’s motivating the trans identity. Using a marginalized status as a shield is something otherwise privileged people do fairly frequently.
but again, that’s a critique you or i could be making of somebody like Contrapoints not something a cis man should say as carelessly as possible.
nah he doesn’t say it’s motivating the trans identity.
being trans is mostly a way to claim a marginalized identity
Yes he literally is? He’s saying this is the majority reason for “a lot” of people. I don’t understand how you don’t see this.
Using a marginalized status as a shield is something otherwise privileged people do fairly frequently.
Yea, and I have no problem with people pointing out specific times people do this. But that’s not what he’s saying. He’s literally saying being trans is mostly a way to get these victim points, for a lot of people (specifically white shitty people).
if he means how you read it then his statement is so fundamentally wrong that my brain refuses to process it that way. If he’s only talking about privileged white people who aren’t struggling day to day and aren’t part of anything then there’s a coherent thought in there somewhere and he should shut up and let people more competent and qualified to have that discussion have it.
He said “being trans is mostly a way to claim an identity to hide behind”
Thats literally saying people are mostly trans so that they can “claim” an identity to win twitter arguments
It’s absolutely unhinged and he obviously knows what he means this isn’t an ESL speaker or someone who struggles to find the right way of wording something.
We can only assume he means what he wrote down
You’re giving him much more benefit of the doubt that I would, considering his content.
he made a video a wile back showing latam use of “latinx” to disprove that it’s a white estadoundense thing and that primes me away from the maximum phobe reading of his statement. if that’s what he was going for he did a very bad job communicating it for someone who makes his living on communicating.
Bad take. Man has needed to log off for quite some time but since he hasn’t, I ended up just unfollowing him.
He’s sometimes very right about things. More often than not, lately, unless it’s about Palestine,I think he’s wrong. He’s wrong on China. He’s wrong on Ukraine. He’s wrong on this.
It took me longer to figure out gender shit because I felt so out of place in white-dominated trans spaces and thought it was because I was cis, but it turns out it was because white trans people are still white. That doesn’t mean being trans is white and bourgeois
Bad Empanada / Harrier duBois: are trans women bourgeois?
Everyone around him: dude, touch grass.
I was shocked to see that in his entire ~40-minute video on Xinjiang, he never once mentioned the terrorist attacks that prompted the crackdown.
Like, even if you think it’s a bullshit justification, the precipitating event for the education camps is clearly relevant context. It’s like doing a documentary on the PATRIOT Act without mentioning 9/11, except his audience is 1000x more likely to be ignorant of the Xinjiang terrorism than 9/11.
BE on Xinjiang: “I shall prove that at least several people were detained unjustly, thus making this an extremely serious human rights issue.”
BE on the Donbass: “15,000 dead? Many of them decapitated by roaming gangs of neo-Nazis and buried in mass graves? Pssh. They probably weren’t even all civilians! Stop swallowing Russian propaganda, sweaty. Slava Ukraini!”
For real. When I asked my Muslim mom, who keeps up on this sort of thing, for her take on Xinjiang (because a bunch of local anarchist comrades were talking about China Bad Because Xinjiang but I could not find anything about “genocide in Xinjiang” which didn’t trace its citations back to Washington DC think tanks, which I "know* don’t give a shit about Muslims) , she gave me a very long and nuanced answer about the spread of radical Islamic sects, terrorism, separatism, the internationalism of those movements, and how none of these questions can be seriously considered without looking at both geography and history. Her take: is there some heavy-handedness in the crackdown? Maybe some, but what is China supposed to do in response to the bombings? Is it genocide? Lmfao no, we can see what genocide looks like by looking at Palestine and that’s not happening in Xinjiang. Is it cultural supremacy or erasure? Maybe a little, but she argues that the spread of extremist Islam itself was changing regional culture anyway. That blue burqa China banned to combat extremism isn’t something you see in early 20th century photos of Uyghurs, but it looks strikingly similar to the dress code the Afghani Taliban enforced. And she brought this back to geography again: there’s that long narrow strip of Afghanistan that connects to China, specifically Xinjiang.
A much more nuanced and different analysis than I expected to hear from a woman who has anticommunist brainworms from cold war era propaganda and has said concerningly problematic things about China. My mom is certainly no tankie.
Where was I going with any of this?
Oh right. I think BadEmpanada actually has bad material analysis, bad attention to detail, and bad methodology. It’s actually really easy to figure out the correct stance on isntreal vs Palestine because the former is committing horrific acts of mass murder against the largely defenseless population in the latter. It’s almost a truer test of someone’s analytical skills to see what their stances on China and Ukraine are, and BadEmpanada fails those tests.
it looks strikingly similar to the dress code the Afghani Taliban enforced
I think it’s Wahhabism, a legitimately bad sect of Islam which the US and Israel spread around the world on behalf of their ally, Saudi Arabia (their state religion), in order to further chaos and Islamophobia. Similar to how Israel prefers Hamas, rather than the PFLP, to be the face of Palestine (even though Hamas did nothing wrong).
Yeah.
A ton about Saudi Arabia is a travesty, politically and theologically speaking.
Oh right. I think BadEmpanada actually has bad material analysis, bad attention to detail, and bad methodology. It’s actually really easy to figure out the correct stance on isntreal vs Palestine because the former is committing horrific acts of mass murder against the largely defenseless population in the latter. It’s almost a truer test of someone’s analytical skills to see what their stances on China and Ukraine are, and BadEmpanada fails those tests.
Yeah. Bad Empanada is fun when he’s an attack dog against bad shit, but he’s not careful at all and goes headlong into everything he does. Like I specifically remember watching him talk to Matt Binder, who is a pretty nonoffensive demsoc youtuber who used to work for Sam Seder and now reports on crypto scammers and such. Nice guy, does above average investigative work and interviews compared to the rest of the YouTube politics scene. Bad Empanada went ape shit at the guy because he thought he was saying Argentina is a bunch of Nazis, or something, and he wasn’t saying that, but BE refused to believe him and just kept freaking out and going apeshit at him like you’d talk to a cryptofascist or something.
It was really weird. That’s when I realized his passion really is not undergirded by much discipline if that makes sense. This whole transphobic thing is really off the wall
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In case you missed the nuance becauae it was too long to read: The “culture” in question isn’t historical Uyghur culture, it’s virulent Wahhabism that’s spreading and erasing actual Uyghur culture anyway.
Someone replying to your nuanced and informed post, with a wiseguy one liner does not deserve your attention
Thanks
He also spent the last week shitting on Morales for not engaging in bourgeois electoralism enough and how MAS losing the recent election was entirely his fault and nothing to do with MAS under Arce losing revolutionary energy and the support of class conscious workers. And has voiced heavy opposition to Venezuela in the past. The guy has always had a bit of an anti-AES stance and felt like a Trotskyist to me.
Any time someone links to a well reasoned video by him detailing something important and worded in a good way some lib is going to respond with a screenshot of this and totally undermine anything good that would’ve come from his better content.
This will be showing up for years now.
The price of never logging off
He’s too much of a loose cannon to be useful in the grand scheme of things. At best, he has a bunch of well-researched videos, but most normal people would be turned off by his social media no matter how well those videos may be. And those videos may be good, but they’re not exceptionally good nor is he particularly charismatic.
I borderline think we would’ve been better off if he was a neolib or something because literally everything he says could just be deflated by pointing to his unhinged social media. But alas, we are stuck with him.
Yeah I agree, unfortunately.
He’s an ultra on China anyway so ehhhh i’ve had issues with him already. I think one of the things I did always like about him is that he’s sort of unhinged and has an extremely funny appearance to go with being unhinged, this is appealing. A part of his brand has always been that he is unhinged, without it he wouldn’t have generated the same attention for himself at all.
Like he doesnt like any of the AES countries. Cackling on the Internet over a rando Pennsylvanian town being destroyed by floods as divine punishment by the great revolutionary forces in sky for being first worlders is not the radical based che guerilla fighter position he thinks it is.
He talks a lot of shit for a guy whose only contribution to creating a better world is posting
And even then his posting is mostly just inter-content creator drama, not stuff that raises class consciousness or awareness of socialism.
eh his main channel youtube (pre-ethan crashout anyway) was researched educational content for the most part. like if you want to go know what Peronism is.
Indeed
It’s Jerry springer with the facade of radicalism. I have no patience for it.
A trans person has a bad take? Must be that all trans people are
tallying up “oppression points”.With “comrades” like these who needs fascists. I’m so tired of the YouTube beef-industrial complex. At this point if your content consists of mostly “dunking” on people, even if they deserve it, I’m tuning out.
This comic remains evergreen. Cishet white dude has a bad take, it is a dude with a bad take. Member of a marginalized group has a bad take, the entire group is saddled with responsibility for that bad take and must recite a sibboleth denouncing it before engaging in any discussion.
Brianna Wu doesn’t get to be an individual with dogshit ideas. She is a monolith speaking for every group she identifies with.
He’s obviously a piece of shit for saying this, but just to analyze what he’s actually saying for a moment… It’s stunning how ignorant some cis people are of the trans experience. Do people think it’s easy to grow up constantly feeling “wrong”, depressed, etc. and then have to completely alter the gender you present as (while of course facing hate, violence, discrimination in the process) in the hope they might be able to live the rest of their lives with just a little bit of happiness for once?
EDIT: Funny thing is I was just fuming about something similar I saw elsewhere, which was liberals using blatant transphobia to insult MAGA people. I feel pretty disgusted with people right now, but I’m also really glad to have a community like this (that includes the supportive cis comrades here).
and then have to completely alter the gender you present as
Ah there is a secret other option, just keep pretending because coming out is too scary and half your family and coworkers are rabidly transphobic even the “progressive” ones!
Yep, I think that’s pretty common too and essentially what I’m having to do for the time being
I’ve been faking it for 40 years now so I’m pretty used to it sadly.
At least I have you all.
it me
Cis people don’t believe in dysphoria
Not me, a cishet dude, feeling like an ugly and alien blur when my beard grows beyond a certain point and I see myself in the mirror.
Nah if white people want to feel marginalized they simply claim to be part Cherokee or that they’re Irish (usually both at the same time).
You have no idea how hard I cringe every time I tell people about my Irish heritage or my Navajo stepdad. It’s such the fucking meme.
Two friends of mine just adopted a newborn. He’s 1/2 Cuban, 1/4 Navajo and 1/4 white. Guess which part they want to make sure they raise the kid as a part of.
They’re struggling with the decision to move to the house one of their sets of parents are giving to them that’s in “too white and gentrified a neighborhood” or sell the house and buy one in an area with comparable schools, but a bigger population of that one specific tribe that has no historical presence in the…suburbs of Boston.
They are the whitest couple I know.
if you supports trans rights, you must accept trans wrongs.
Sexual/gender identity is not inherently coupled to radical politics and to suggest that any who do not fall out of the closet into hammer-and-sickle thigh-highs is some kind of faker is some short sighted shit.
While I partially agree with this, it’s a little bit reductionist.
While it’s true that sexual/gender identity is not Inherently coupled to radical politics, the contradictions are clear. Reactionary / liberal trans people are subjecting themselves to a contradiction - the contradiction between sympathy and reality. By being a liberal as a trans person, you are sympathizing with liberalism, and are contradicted with the reality of liberalism - that liberalism at best feels indifferent to transgender people and at worst feels complete and utter disgust for them.
So, it definitely is pushing you towards radical politics if you are not a straight or cis person in the modern day and age.
The gender binary is a construct made to aid capitalism. Transphobia exist therefore to maintain the gender binary. But being a member of an oppressed group (which in this case “white trans people” interacts in its own unique way with the construct of whiteness) is not a magical wand to make you a communist and never supportive (consciousnessly or not) of empire.
My mom is trans
She’s also the biggest chud ass mf pick-me bitch ever. But she’s a shitty person because she’s shitty not cause she’s trans
I’m sure there are people who use flags online to shield from criticism, but that’s a separate issue. You should handle that by just ignoring that whole thing and approaching them as human beings with ideas. Your gender identity doesn’t excuse your bad takes and your bad takes don’t reflect your gender identity
It’s simply not a good shield in this situation, either. The genocide in Palestine is not related to gender in a way that would make supporting it any less abhorrent because of their gender identity. So it’s like if a Chinese guy said he hates women then someone says “Wow the way that people use their nationality to hide behind when they make inexcusable statements…”; those have nothing to do with each other! Just criticize what they said!
Exactly, if you run across a bad take with identity stuff attached, ignore that entirely and focus only on the content. If that person then tries to use that identity as a shield for their reactionary takes, continue to ignore them.
The only time this is okay to call out is that weird trend of white guys pretending to be black guys on Twitter. Or the
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this dude does everything he can to pretend he isnt a privileged australian living in another country but wants to say trans people are faking something lol
im not saying he’s all bad but he’s got some dumb ass takes. i wonder if he even believes some of this stuff or just wants to be edgy or whatever
why would somebody the most rights (a white male) fake being not only a woman, but specifically a trans woman, meaning they get even less rights than cis women?
I remember his “advice” for hassan was that he needs to move from the us into a global south country to do what…? Lessen his “white guilt” by being an airbnb leech in mexico city or something.
If Hasan feels a legitimate fear for his safety maybe it would be justifiable, feels like people kind of forgot Assange and Snowden, the US will not stop going after their enemies.
But otoh being a permanent highly visible tourist anywhere else isn’t exactly running away from the CIA either so I’m not sure that would even help.
Off topic, but I recently learned that Hasan considers Assange to be a worthless fascist.
Edit: Mea culpa
Hasan prefers fascists who get things done, like AOC, settler sanders, and that new fetterman troop
The whole thing is so old now I’m guessing he definitely contracted TYT brainworms while it was happening and never managed to change. If you go back far enough being pro-Assange wasn’t ever a consensus, I think it was only after his health etc got realy rough for him that his image changed.
Assange is a litmus test to separate left-liberals from anti-imperialists.
Honestly, I still don’t have much of a take on assanage at this point. Not everyone has taken the time to learn the facts on that topic.
He has caused more embarrassment and shame for the US empire than perhaps anyone else in the past two decades. For that he’s suffered the most extreme and coordinated persecution and character assassination. He’s never done anything wrong that I’m aware of. The sexual assault case against him turned out to be just as fabricated as the allegations made at our old Hexbear admin.
When did he call assange a fascist, he mostly ever spoke about how shouldn’t be jailed. I tried to look into it. Mostly I found some old jackson hinkle thread on twitter with some clip. Even there he called online followers of the issue tag onto it but they themselves hang out with weird fascists. He was talking about people like jimmy dore there I guess.
But beyond that I couldn’t find anything about him calling assange a worthless fascist.
It’s as you described; he called Assange supporters people who hang out with weird fascists. I may have put some words in his mouth, but I still don’t like the take.
https://xcancel.com/SocialistMMA/status/1960769619620454784
The person he was responding to just asked him to speak about Assange. If I ask someone out of the blue for their opinion about Marx and they tell me to shut up and go hang out with weirdos, I would interpret them as anti-Marxist.
Assange deserves full support—more support than “he shouldn’t be in prison” IMO.
Yeah that’s the clip I’m clip I’m talking about. Its from December 2021 and was from that Hinkle thread. I found the vod it was someone badgering that he isn’t yet covering the trail early in the stream as he was talking about some other news. It was some twitter back and forth between dore, hasan and glenn. So chatters enter the stream while he starts the stream to talk about that tweet thread even referencing the tweet. Hence his response. He does talk about the trail in stream just not very early.
He was speaking about people like jimmy dore or Glenn greenwald hang out with fascists who support same people who target assange.
Even the account of the tweet here is a ACP guy. Here’s mr revolutionary blackout saying antisemitic stuff in the guise of being pro palestine. CW: Antisemitism
So yeah hasan wasn’t wrong about what he said there.
Hasan hasn’t been against assange nor did he change his tune. Him calling people like dore who latch to opportunity and pal around fascists isn’t weird. If that’s your takeaway then fine. Hasan does support the guy and wikileaks.
Somehow you added Marx there. I don’t see how covering news about assange or comments on media figures is the same as being anti Marx.
Also you didn’t put words in his mouth, you made it up.
All right; I’m sorry, comrade. Apparently there was a lot of contextual drama I was unaware of.
I wasn’t trying to call him anti-Marxist, it was just an analogy.
I have seen that guy’s terrible antisemitic rant, actually. I don’t endorse him. He was the only source for the video that I could find.
Is he connected to the ACP, or does he just talk like them?
Wait, really? I don’t keep up on him but that seems an odd take
Yeah I watched the debate video. BE said basically that reforming the dems into a communist party was fruitless (I agree) and he should just move to the global south/outside the us.
Good grief.
We dont “need” BE. He isnt even a self-professed marxist. Just because he speaks with an righteous fervour, does not make him “morally forthright” (this idealism plagues our leftist movements). His disgusting behaviour towards BayArea (an actual POC) and horrendous take on Donbass is evident of his uselessness towards our movements.
Despite actually being right about Hassan and other left pop stars. Yet just because he is right sometimes doesnt mean he is right forever. He does not offer a future. Not to himself nor to anyone really. He is a hurt man and therefore lashes out.
The world is changing.
His disgusting behaviour towards BayArea
I’m afraid to ask and yet I must know
He doxxed bayareas415, causing him to lose his job as a lawyer and receive death threats.
Holyshit, that was him? I feel so hurt and betrayed
Yes.
Any reason why?
As far as I can tell, it was because they had differing views on China and argued about it.
If it were for a valid reason I would fully expect BE to shout it from the rooftops.
Idk because BayArea made a lot of pro-PRC videos when that take was not popular yet.
He also made fun of an SA victim because he was beefing with some maoists
horrendous take on Donbass
summary? i’m not up on streamer dramaHe’s pro Ukraine, and also anti China
pro Ukraine
in the year of our lord. i thought even anti-war-ism people were for peace by now
Basically denying that leftist/donbass freedom fighters existed, russia somehow twisted the narrative to seem it more popular than it was. So while he concedes crimeans wanted to be russian (which most do at this point tbh) the donbass didnt because 47% of the donbass chose to identify as Ukrainian (which is not how their identity works in that region)
lol it’s even internally contradictory. if donbass was puppet regime, it’s nonsense to concede crimea not being one.
the legitimacy/popularity of DPR LPR is pretty passé these days though, they’re gone and the political question is superceded by nato/eu
Yeah it is.
the legitimacy/popularity of DPR LPR is pretty passé these days though, they’re gone and the political question is superceded by nato/eu
They took the heaviest casualties, and then were marginalized with the arrival of the main russian force. It was a double bind for them. But anyways, he implied that russia conjured the whole separatist thing up in the first place (donbass only became separatist in response to the nazification and increasing hostility by Ukraine).
if anything has become clear as time has gone on it’s how meek russia had been in the donbass, it’s really difficult to imagine them being on the cutting edge of manufacturing separatism when their actual deployment of soldiers there was completely inadequate lol
I am always perplexed when anyone expects anything more from video essay-ists, these people basically just summarise wikipedia articles
I’m not going to assume this one way or another but does BadEmpanada do on-the-ground agitation and political organization in Argentina? or does he just post?
If it is the latter, then he is a white person who moved from the imperial core/‘first-world’ to Argentina who is not doing political work in his country-of-residence and making a living being paid for disseminating his opinions, of which include “first-worlders are parasites leeching off the third world and are fundamentally incapable of proletarian organization due to their elevated class position off the surplus they extract from the periphery.”
I’m not saying he is or he is not, I’m at a function rn and don’t want to take the ten minutes off. But if it is the case, then regardless of the veracity of that opinion,
does he just post?
ding ding ding
- Aussie living in Argentina who pretends he’s not an Aussie
- Internet pundit who shits on other internet pundits for being internet pundits
- stupid haircut
This isn’t the first time this has happened he’s used Palestine to shit on trans people before where the focus is shitting on trans people and not helping Palestine in any way
This isn’t the first time this has happened he’s used Palestine to shit on trans people before where the focus is shitting on trans people and not helping Palestine in any way
Could we please get the evidence of this for archival purposes? He likes keeping things like this buried under the rug.
a nihilist white boy from the imperial core?!
no way… you’re so unique… you must be the modern Diogenes…It somehow gets even worse:
My brother in christ you are a fucking Aussie cracker living large in Argentina off of youtube subs from self hating first world edgelords.
Fun fact when I made that admittedly poor taste comment at Z poster it was after being fed up with him being super hostile in defense of this piece of shit lmao.
poor taste
you told him to die over streamer drama
Oh come on it is Z poster we are talking about here who frequently escalated shit far beyond what could be deemed reasonable and I have repeatedly acknowledged wrongdoing in that engagement but it’s not like the escalation was one sided and my primary issue with the framing of that engagement has been people claiming I made “death threats” and told them to “kill themself” which are both wildly disingenuous.
We’re reaching levels of ultraleftism I didn’t believe possible
The greatest “revenge” against the first world IS the prosperity and liberation that communism would bring
Why is he like this, so fuckin annoying, stick to tearing zionists apart online you Aussie cracker
