Eh, we are a lot smaller still I think. Reddit may have had about ~40x the users that Lemmy has at this stage. But you never know, we may get some random spike down the line. When you have 1 or 2 people in a community people give up, but if you have 20-40 it may seem pretty active and stay alive and grow.
I have always liked the balanced approach that slashdot has.
Users are asked by automation to moderate once they demonstrate reasonable engagement statistically. Then they are assigned a number of comments or posts to rate, not just updown votes but assign qualities, such as funny or insightful. This makes reading long threads more friendly.
Also, more reliable moderators are invited to evaluate other moderations! Accountability!
I am not sure why the model wasn’t popular elsewhere.
I absolutely think that’s part of the strength of Lemmy.
I have no idea why the Lemmy devs copied the reddit “lords and peasants” model of moderated interactions, and I don’t know if Lemmy will survive long term against the tide of corruption that Reddit is in the late stages of right now. But at least it’s pretty easy to move to a different fiefdom if you want to. If, for example, your home server lemmy.world gets all enshittified and filled with obnoxious interactions, you can just up and leave and still keep nearly all of your engagement if other people are in agreement.
You can take a look at lemmy.ml or blahaj and see what Lemmy could look like if that wasn’t possible. To me, moving servers when stuff gets weird is a healthy thing.
Defederation by nature will help that. On Reddit if the admins didn’t want “RandomTopic” they could ban it or lock it and other variants. On Lemmy you always go to another instance and make it there and the admins of the original instance can pound sand. And if they go as far to defederate there are still other instances out there that federate with it.
I had a conversation with a particular Lemmy-instance admin after getting banned for having the wrong opinions, and you could feel through the screen how frustrated he was that he couldn’t just mechanically prevent me from saying certain things, because of being accustomed to being in an environment where he could dictate what conversations were allowed, and everyone had to be nice to him. To the point that it was this wild out-of-pocket thing if someone could speak to him without having to “talk up” to him. It was kind of fun honestly lol.
Lots of people like that IRL. I can’t stand them but for some reason people find them charming. And they are always trying to manipulate and pit people against one another for their lulz. They love spreading rumors and talking shit behind people’s backs.
Ugh. I know someone like this currently. Easier to just ignore them. Sad part is they’ve actively made a friend of our group just… worse. Dude is way more emotionally volatile, doesn’t wanna better himself at all, and smokes weed at all hours of the day.
I wouldn’t be upset at all if the jackass was just ruining his own life (As everyone including his own mother realizes what he is eventually) but him taking my buddy down to his level is infuriating. Hell, I actually think less of my friend now for falling for that shit too.
196 was run by a group of mods on Blahaj who had a disagreement with the admin. They decided to move to Lemmy.world and closed the 196 community on Blahaj.
People who preferred to stay on Blahaj disagreed, and started a competing 196 on Blahaj run by a different group of mods.
Following continued backlash over the move, the mod team that migrated to Lemmy.world reopened the original 196 to attempt to save some face.
After that, a de facto 196 was never decided upon, and so there are now just 3 of them which are visited by largely the same audience.
It can be noted that the original comm on blahaj.zone gets drastically less traffic than before, and I don’t think anyone uses the .world comm at all. Most activity is at /c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Move as in Moderates or about posting content?
Because the mods here aren’t an absolute force since the instance owners have the final word about how someone moderates or if they have control over too many comms.
Can’t remember right now, but there have been some problems about mods power tripping and getting banned for it, that said, when the instance owner is the problem, the only smart move is to jump instances.
That’s why I’ve always said to think of your account as disposable, shit can always go bad because we are all humans.
If you mean because he posts a lot… Well that’s everyone’s fault for not posting.
If more people posted at least once, you wouldn’t see only the same dudes posting everywhere.
I do love how easy it is to block people on here. If I see the same article spammed over a bunch of instances, it’s block time for that user cos then I just assume they’re a bot.
Well i just saw pugjesus move ~10 comms to piefed so…
Definitely more than 10.
Some people have the time to be terminally online, and end up running everything just by sheer omnipresence.
Most communities in the fediverse, to be fair, are pretty empty compared to their reddit counterpart
So like early Reddit.
Eh, we are a lot smaller still I think. Reddit may have had about ~40x the users that Lemmy has at this stage. But you never know, we may get some random spike down the line. When you have 1 or 2 people in a community people give up, but if you have 20-40 it may seem pretty active and stay alive and grow.
How should moderation work, instead?
I have always liked the balanced approach that slashdot has.
Users are asked by automation to moderate once they demonstrate reasonable engagement statistically. Then they are assigned a number of comments or posts to rate, not just updown votes but assign qualities, such as funny or insightful. This makes reading long threads more friendly.
Also, more reliable moderators are invited to evaluate other moderations! Accountability!
I am not sure why the model wasn’t popular elsewhere.
because it’s not centralized power. people like power.
SOME particular kinds of people. Some are constitutionally opposed to unequal distribution.
No idea, I don’t know enough about the ins and outs of moderation to weigh in.
I absolutely think that’s part of the strength of Lemmy.
I have no idea why the Lemmy devs copied the reddit “lords and peasants” model of moderated interactions, and I don’t know if Lemmy will survive long term against the tide of corruption that Reddit is in the late stages of right now. But at least it’s pretty easy to move to a different fiefdom if you want to. If, for example, your home server lemmy.world gets all enshittified and filled with obnoxious interactions, you can just up and leave and still keep nearly all of your engagement if other people are in agreement.
You can take a look at lemmy.ml or blahaj and see what Lemmy could look like if that wasn’t possible. To me, moving servers when stuff gets weird is a healthy thing.
Defederation by nature will help that. On Reddit if the admins didn’t want “RandomTopic” they could ban it or lock it and other variants. On Lemmy you always go to another instance and make it there and the admins of the original instance can pound sand. And if they go as far to defederate there are still other instances out there that federate with it.
I had a conversation with a particular Lemmy-instance admin after getting banned for having the wrong opinions, and you could feel through the screen how frustrated he was that he couldn’t just mechanically prevent me from saying certain things, because of being accustomed to being in an environment where he could dictate what conversations were allowed, and everyone had to be nice to him. To the point that it was this wild out-of-pocket thing if someone could speak to him without having to “talk up” to him. It was kind of fun honestly lol.
Lots of people like that IRL. I can’t stand them but for some reason people find them charming. And they are always trying to manipulate and pit people against one another for their lulz. They love spreading rumors and talking shit behind people’s backs.
Ugh. I know someone like this currently. Easier to just ignore them. Sad part is they’ve actively made a friend of our group just… worse. Dude is way more emotionally volatile, doesn’t wanna better himself at all, and smokes weed at all hours of the day.
I wouldn’t be upset at all if the jackass was just ruining his own life (As everyone including his own mother realizes what he is eventually) but him taking my buddy down to his level is infuriating. Hell, I actually think less of my friend now for falling for that shit too.
Lemmy recreating the free market haha
the problem is people.
no technology can prevent people from suffering from the errors of human psychology.
people want to feel powerful and control other people. they want to boost the things they like/agree with, and silence those they don’t.
some people do that by becoming internet site moderators.
We had a whole drama cycle about /c/196 trying to move. But this one didn’t even get a peep :D
I am also very curious about this. Why do we have 3 196s?
196 was run by a group of mods on Blahaj who had a disagreement with the admin. They decided to move to Lemmy.world and closed the 196 community on Blahaj.
People who preferred to stay on Blahaj disagreed, and started a competing 196 on Blahaj run by a different group of mods.
Following continued backlash over the move, the mod team that migrated to Lemmy.world reopened the original 196 to attempt to save some face.
After that, a de facto 196 was never decided upon, and so there are now just 3 of them which are visited by largely the same audience.
Sounds a bit like medieval pope drama.
But we get good memes out of it, so why not?
I love that comparison.
It can be noted that the original comm on blahaj.zone gets drastically less traffic than before, and I don’t think anyone uses the .world comm at all. Most activity is at /c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
Honestly, even moderating ~10 comms is a bit much. I couldn’t imagine doing 25, much less 125.
Move as in Moderates or about posting content?
Because the mods here aren’t an absolute force since the instance owners have the final word about how someone moderates or if they have control over too many comms.
Can’t remember right now, but there have been some problems about mods power tripping and getting banned for it, that said, when the instance owner is the problem, the only smart move is to jump instances.
That’s why I’ve always said to think of your account as disposable, shit can always go bad because we are all humans.
If you mean because he posts a lot… Well that’s everyone’s fault for not posting.
If more people posted at least once, you wouldn’t see only the same dudes posting everywhere.
I do love how easy it is to block people on here. If I see the same article spammed over a bunch of instances, it’s block time for that user cos then I just assume they’re a bot.