So many signs that Hasan is going to be a victim of stochastic terrorism with no apparent proactive movement from his end.
I remember when some fascist tried to shoot up a live Red Nation gathering. And keep in mind that the Red Nation as an Indigenous media collective is nowhere near as famous as Hasan (although one of them appeared on Fox as “DEI woke white-hating professor”). And the only reason why nobody died was because the dumbass’s pistol jammed and there were unarmed security in the form of big burly Indigenous men who chased the fash out of the immediate vicinity. Had those security not been there, the fash would’ve had the presence of mind to unjam his pistol and resumed putting rounds into people. And as a final point, the Red Nation is a collective of people while Hasan is just one person. The Red Nation will still persist even if a single member gets murdered, but Hasan the Twitch channel is obviously toast if Hasan gets murdered or survives but has to live with debilitating disabilities for the rest of his life.
It’s a sink or swim moment. And Hasan will either rise up to the challenge or completely capitulate. But he will not and cannot return to the status quo.
am i the only insane idiot here or didn’t that guy get killed by a fascist?
what is this gaslighting by these people now.
Yes, kirk got whacked by a groyper, followers of Nick Fuentes, because they saw Kirk as an obstacle in the pipeline to white nationalism. Fuentes instantly capitalized on the event and had his most viewed stream ever, gaining thousands of followers. Now X is overflowing with Nick Fuentes clips, steering moderate MAGA followers towards white nationalism.
The Destiny harassment group has stitched together several old out-of-context and straight cut-and-clipped videos of Hasan to make it look like he’s calling for the murder of Republicans, it’s outright video fabrication and slander
They’re posting these videos everywhere on Twitter trying to trigger MAGA hats, and Elon has been boosting these posts
it’s insane they are even able to divert from the truth.
The truth is the biggest obstacle to right wing beliefs. They want nothing more than to make the truth and reality utterly incomprehensible and unapproachable to the average person.
Not-The-Onion: Worlds most divorced Dad upset an youthful Himbo! Demands arrest!
Chud kills chud. Left at fault.
If he gets arrested, I want to see him immediately released on cash bail. The hogs hate cash bail so much it would be funny.
melon is still miffed that Grimes thinks Hasan is hot
Im sorry I thought this was about Fantano
I can’t tell if I like him more or less after the Adam Friedland interview. He seems like a thoughtful guy but also incredibly unpleasant to be around lol.
His personality is often fairly pretentious and this includes times when he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Funny music review man could use a comfy chill pill.
You just described an art critic.
Maybe a libbed up/parasocial take but I’m genuinely going to be surprised if he makes it to the end of the year. Yeah I’m irritated at him too for trying to cozy up to the liberal establishment and distance himself from Kirk’s assassination, especially with the NYT shit piece he just wrote, but IMO if I had his money I’d be booking the soonest flight to literally anywhere else, but he’s too stubborn to do that.
It’s clear to me that whatever people Hasan tried to reach with the NYT shit piece are simply not interested in his perspective and will happily piss on his grave should something happen to him. And once again he’s pissing off his left flank by appealing to people who want all of us dead.
Like Hasan is a reformist IMO and he’s reaping reformist prizes that any revolutionary socialist could have seen coming from a mile away…but I don’t want to see him get hurt.
Hasan getting whacked would be a huge blunder for the fascist because they flourish by posing as the victims. Kirk got whacked by a groyper yet they’re able to blame this on the radical left because it’s a plausible reality that he could have gotten killed by the radical left, they can pretend to be in the high ground by preaching the no place for political violence choir.
imo if the hit succeeds in Nick Fuentes becoming mainstream, moderate right wingers, like Kirk, are gonna be the targets to further push their followers to white nationalism.
Still yeah he will always be in danger because stochastic terrorism is, well, stochastic.
Hasan getting whacked would be a huge blunder for the fascist because they flourish by posing as the victims. Kirk got whacked by a groyper yet they’re able to blame this on the radical left because it’s a plausible reality that he could have gotten killed by the radical left, they can pretend to be in the high ground by preaching the no place for political violence choir.
Not really? The fascists and liberal media have no shame or intellectual consistency. They would highlight what Hasan said about 9/11, claim he advocated for violence, point to pictures of him streaming with a gun in frame, frame him as a radical America hating, white man hating commie and say though violence isn’t the answer it’s totally understandable why some sweet normal, not at al political killer covered in 1488 and swastika tats would be driven by Hasan’s HATE SPEECH into killing him in a fit of passion. (That or they cast it as a senseless killing in the vein of school shooters and nothing to see here folks) They’d slander him like this, cast it like this, and immediately bury his death in the same way they bury and stop talking about school shooting victims within 24 hours.
In a bourgeois press owned reactionary society like the US there is no need for consistency, naked hypocrisy buried under cherry picking, half truths, omissions, and slander buries the truth and pushes forward the desired narrative framing.
At most a few liberals while condemning Hasan in their first breath will call for more gun control and less political violence to which the right will respond with a middle finger and outraged screaming about Charlie Kirk and attempted assassinations on Trump before veering into talking about “violent protestors from the left” who target the “brave” ICE and local police proving the left is the truly violent one. The then cowed liberals will fall bashfully silent and apologize the next day for undermining the tragedy of Charlie Kirk’s death.
That seems a bit harsh imho. Hassan has credibility because he’s so damn analytical and not immediately convinced by what the story is, Hassan take my energy.
Hassan has credibility because he’s so damn analytical
This must be a different Hasan than the one i’m thinking of, the one who three years later still keeps insisting that Russia is the bad guy in NATO’s Ukraine proxy war.
I think we’ve had this conversation before. Maybe this topic hits close to home to others, to me it doesn’t, but i don’t find his stance on that war to be worth dismissing him for. He is a mainstream media figure by now so some compromises are expected to be able to reach the american audience, the ukraine war is not as black and white as other topics and it’s fine to take an anti-war stance on it, even if it’s not my position. Condemning Hamas is a far more cancellable position.
Also the ukraine cause collapses by itself, there is really no need to publicly advocate against it.
Maybe this topic hits close to home to others, to me it doesn’t
For some of us it is more personal than for some others if we have relatives close to the conflict.
Condemning Hamas is a far more cancellable position.
Perhaps, but you cannot deny there are similarities there. Russia gets accused of an unprovoked attack in February 2022 the same way Hamas is accused of an unprovoked attack on October 7. In both cases those making this portrayal require you to be ignorant of all the prior history and of the intolerable realities of the situation for the people on the ground.
Also the ukraine cause collapses by itself, there is really no need to publicly advocate against it.
Yes but then at least don’t advocate for Ukraine. Don’t mimick the Zionists by saying things like “Ukraine has a right to defend itself”. Insisting that Russia is this unjustified invader only lends credibility to those who demand that we keep arming Ukraine so they can keep fighting, which even from a purely self-interested and amoral perspective is a massive mistake because they cannot win. It only increases the level of casualties and destruction, and when Ukraine inevitably loses your credibility will collapse along with the pro-Ukraine cause.
And the same goes for those who keep denying the Nazi character of the Kiev regime and who keep telling their audience that this is all just Russian propaganda. For the mainstream media this can all be memoryholed and the narrative switched on a dime, but for those in alternative media how are people supposed to keep trusting you once they realize that this was not in fact “just Russian propaganda”?
Like come on be fair, he would literally be banned from Twitch and most platforms if he articulated even half the takes we have here about the Ukraine War
Then he should get off Twitch. There are other platforms.
This is the same excuse opportunists always use. But the reality is simple:
Either he is really this dumb and believes the imperialist lies. Or he is lying to his audience in order to protect his revenue stream.
Either way the result is the same. The massive audience that listens to him hears the same imperialist narrative from him as they get from the western media about the conflict.
Then he should get off Twitch. There are other platforms.
The loudest PRO-PALESTINIAN leftist in America should sacrifice his platform for the sake of Russian honor? How about NAHEither he is really this dumb and believes the imperialist lies. Or he is lying to his audience in order to protect his revenue stream.
He explains the history and perfidy NATO every time the subject is brought up, may not be good enough for us, but it sours NATO in the minds of many libs who listen to him, it’s more an acceptable in terms of the role he plays as a pipeline
If you betray one anti-imperialist struggle for the sake of another you are by definition an opportunist.
Also, i just don’t believe that he is engaging in this elaborate strategic deception act that you say he is. If it was just about fear of censorship he could just shut up about it and not say anything. Or he could stream on YouTube, which so far is less censorious than Twitch. Instead he goes out of his way to virtue signal about how bad he thinks Putin and Russia are and how Ukraine are just these innocent smol-beans defending themselves. You are not a pipeline when you are actively lying to your audience, hiding the truth about the Donbass genocide, and demonizing those who are fighting against fascism and imperialism.
What is the difference between him saying that NATO is not good but Russia is still bad for invading and the liberals who will say that the genocide in Gaza is bad but you should still condemn October 7? How hard would it be for him to invite someone on his show who lives in the Donbass and could actually educate him and his audience about life under Ukrainian fascism and Ukrainian bombs?
And speaking of Palestine, yes, he is one of the bigger pro-Palestinian voices in the online commentariat. Great. But it is now acceptable within liberal circles to be pro-Palestine. Pro-Palestine sentiment is increasingly mainstream. We have won that narrative battle decisively among the young generations that are likely to be his viewer demographic. But you know what is still incredibly unpopular? Telling the truth about Ukraine. That is all the more reason to use your platform to do it, when no one else with your reach will.
Instead he chooses what is easy, and convenient for his bank account: respectability politics and trying to ingratiate himself with the liberal mainstream, which is a demonstrably failed strategy. It has been tried over and over again and never worked. Yet he still carries water for Democrats and their electoral politics, still simping for the so-called “progressives” who will vote every time in lockstep with the bipartisan warmongers to give weapons and money to Ukrainian Nazis.
It’s time you stopped making excuses and inventing elaborate theories about him hiding his power level and just admit that he is a liberal.
It’s blatantly obvious you haven’t watched a single stream of his in a LOOOONG time, he has talked about Maidan, Nazis in Ukraine, how NATO provoked the war, what’s he’s not gonna do is sing the glories of the Russian state and its so-called “anti-imperialist” bona fides, and he was smart not to do it, because unlike Palestine, the War in Ukraine DOES NOT have popular grassroots support, ignoring and blundering ahead like an ox and getting banned is not worth it for the sake of Russian headpats
What is the difference between him saying that NATO is not good but Russia is still bad for invading and the liberals who will say that the genocide in Gaza is bad but you should still condemn October 7?
Russia has nukes, are you joking, Palestine doesn’t. And unlike Palestine, half the fault lies on Putin for getting fooled multiple times and allowing an army of neo-nazis to mobilize along his border for eight years. Took 15,000 Donbass Ukrainians getting disappeared before Putin opened his eyes to the western plan
Instead he chooses what is easy and convenient for his bank account
He choose not to get banned for the sake of Russian pride and the nonexistent support of MLs who wouldn’t have his back no matter the circumstance, if he praised the Russian intervention and got banned you’d make fun of him and still call him a liberal, like get real
It’s time you stopped making excuses and inventing elaborate theories about him hiding his power level and just admit that he is a liberal.
lmao it’s time you admit there’s literally nothing this guy could do politically to get you to like him or in this case even tolerate him, largest pro-Palestinian leftist in the country and he’s an “opportunist” miss me with that ultra horseshit, thank god Hasan largely avoided the subject and survived long enough to advance the pro-Palestine movement
I’m open to Hasan eventually developing a better take on the Ukraine War, but I’m not gonna blame him for preserving his platform over losing access to millions of eyeballs and advancing nothing
Ukraine are just these innocent smol-beans defending themselves.
I wish he talked more about Banderism, etc, but I think this is an exaggeration. I think his position is that Ukraine’s government is shitty, corrupt, reactionary, etc. but that the invasion is nonetheless unjustified. That’s also a position you vehemently disagree with, but it’s not the same position.
I just really don’t think he’s worth that much thinking. He’s a voice pushing US political discourse to the left.
To be fair Russia is A bad guy in the war. Unfortunately, there is no good guy in this war, so please don’t take that as a Ukraine/US good type of slop
How are they a bad guy? They are defending themselves against imperialist encroachment and fighting against a murderous Nazi regime.
For the first time since the end of the USSR a non-Western power is openly confronting the collective West and winning, both militarily and economically. They have shown the entire world what a paper tiger NATO is, which in turn emboldens others to stand up to the imperialists instead of cowering in fear.
They are liberating an oppressed people from fascism while at the same time depleting NATO arsenals that would otherwise be used to murder people all across the global south, costing the West billions and trapping them in a losing quagmire from which they cannot escape. And last but not least they are keeping the US distracted and buying China time to be even better prepared for any future confrontation in the Pacific.
All of these things are objectively good from an anti-imperialist perspective.
Russia is not fighting a war of liberation, it is a war for regional strategic purposes. If it were about liberating the ethnic Russians oppressed by Ukraine they would not be so happy with a slow churning meat grinder approach, they would do what the west does and destroy country-wide infrastructural. The war is about taking out Ukraine as a threat, a forward base for NATO interests. That they will increasingly provide security for the people of Donbas is good.
We critically support Russia against UA because they’re US/NATO pawns that were doing preliminary ethnic cleansing and being used to poke Russia, and because we usually live in Russophobic countries where absurd lies about the war prevail, but Russia is still a capitalist country that uses its military for its own interests, not anti-fascism.
If it were about liberating the ethnic Russians oppressed by Ukraine they would not be so happy with a slow churning meat grinder approach, they would do what the west does and destroy country-wide infrastructural.
The slow approach is precisely because they want to avoid damaging large swathes of the country and causing massive civilian casualties. This way the damage remains relatively restricted to the area around the line of contact, and the casualties are overwhelmingly military. This conflict has one of the lowest civilian to military casualties in any modern conflict. I won’t even compare it to Gaza because that is not a war, it’s a genocide, but even something like the Iraq war, the Afghanistan war, the Syrian civil war, the Vietnam war, the Korean war, etc. all had way, way higher ratios of civilian casualties.
If they went all out in the way you suggest that would be a sure recipe for turning the population of Ukraine against Russia more efficiently than a decade of the anti-Russian Banderite propaganda has done. Ukraine right now is struggling with a huge desertion problem and a lack of volunteers so serious that they are having to resort to insanely abusive forced mobilization practices. If Russia launched a campaign against the civilian infrastructure all they would be doing is motivating millions more Ukrainians to fight, and that would prolong the conflict far more than the current careful and methodical approach.
At the end of this Russia doesn’t want to have a destroyed country full of radicalized Russia hating people on their border. They want to have a friendly or at least neutral, semi-functional, stable country whose population has grown disillusioned with the entire Banderite project. Meanwhile on the front they continue to eliminates the most radicalized and fanatic ones who can’t be turned.
Russia is still a capitalist country that uses its military for its own interests, not anti-fascism
Both can be true.
We agree that the potential threat of Ukraine as a militarized bordering state is what concerned and concerns Russian leadership the most. You argue that the slow meat grinder is better psychologically and for Russia’s long-term interests against a hostile militarized state on its borders. I agree with this as well. My point was that the invasion was and is not about rapidly ending the progressive ethnic cleansing done by UA in Donbas and elsewhere, but for Russian strategic interests. Going for a proper rapid “win” by disabling production and infrastructure would be a more reasonable direction to take if the goal was to protect Donbas alone.
Of course, the ethnic cleansing in Donbas was a motiving factor, but less because of Russia having some kind of principled position against ethnic cleansing, but because it is a literal war zone and training ground for advancing anti-Russian interests and power. In the end it is good that these interests align, I am just saying it is a mistake to think that Russia is motivated by ethnic cleansing itself.
In terms of anti-fascist, I am again speaking to motives. In effect they are killing off many UA Nazis and that is great. But in motivation they truly do not care, it is just a PR thing that has very popular national liberation aesthetics (USSR defeating the Nazis). This is a good example of why the support is critical! Of course we want the end of UA Nazis and I’m supportive of that, truly. But we do have to remember that the RF is itself capitalist (and reactionary!) and is anti-imperialist only to the extent that it is excluded from the party. So we defend it against liberal chauvinist bullshiy and attempts to take blame away from the imperialists, but also amongst ourselves must understand the extent to which it directly opposes our projects, interests, and comrades.
Ah yes, the sterling and unassailable anti-imperialism of… checks notes …Vladimir Putin’s Russia. I am sorry man but what?
Most sides in most wars are bad. Just because they are fighting your current enemy doesn’t make them good. It makes them, at best, a lesser evil and an ally of convenience. If todays Russia had the global position to do so, they would create their own version of Nato and it would be just as imperialist as Nato is. Just because they used to be cool 40 years ago, doesn’t make them cool now.
If todays Russia had the global position to do so, they would create their own version of Nato and it would be just as imperialist as Nato is
“If Russia’s historical and material conditions were different, it would be different.”
This is what happens when ZPoster gets banned (again).
Yea and if I had wheels I’d be a wagon.
Look at WW2. France and the UK fought the Nazis and that’s a good thing. Does it excuse the clearly evil shit they did as colonial powers before WW2, during or after? Fuck no. No need to carry water for them, no need to carry water for post USSR Russia.
Yes but the point is intent in this case. If what’s preventing a chud from chudding is a jail cell, does that stop them from being a chud? No it fucking doesn’t
They ally themselves with targets of imperialism, or I should say targets of imperialism often ally themselves with Russia, because they have a common enemy. It really doesn’t have anything to do with an ideology that died in that country decades ago. China actually does domestic shit that’s respectable which is what’s given them the ability to contend with western influence and financial power
Russia is susceptible to western interference because they’re much weaker than they once were, and so they’re forced into preemptive action (which is not wrong), but it’s not out of some anti-imperialist ideology, it’s for their own sovereignty. Just because those actions are taken doesn’t make them anti-imperialist.
I mean the blind and uncritical faith in both Russia and China simply because they are aligned against a foe completely discounts their significant differences in the modern day, and frankly it’s insulting to China’s progress to even lump them together. Russia hasn’t just swapped places with China in the US-Russia-China relationship, it’s swapped places but is in a decline; it doesn’t have potential anymore. Its leadership has failed from a starting point significantly more privileged than China’s, it cannot fend off western influence outside of physical war, of which most if not all is entirely preemptive which begs the question, was all of it necessary, since it creates yet another drain on their workforce and people?
Frankly I don’t even think the west really considers them very threatening outside of their locale. Current power is dominated by finance. China understands that, and China’s decisions put them in a position to fight on a front that matters. Most western rhetoric on Russia is in an attempt to divert public funds towards private arms companies, not to stunt a legitimate threat. Their investment in Ukraine is more a dumping ground for old equipment than anything else, and to prevent a short-term engagement that might spread beyond that, that would be considered short term because Russia’s population is in literal decline and has been for decades because their domestic policy has generated nothing for their people besides extraction. The Soviet Union collapsed and is still being looted, and the call is predominantly coming from inside the house
If todays Russia had the global position to do so, they would create their own version of Nato and it would be just as imperialist as Nato is.
so making things up counts as analysis now?
This is funny to me. Yea, Putin would totally usher in world commulism if only he could reach that button my guy.
It doesn’t matter what they would do, we can speculate all day about intentions and alternate universes. All that matters is what they are doing right now in the real world that we live in. Russia is allied with China, Iran, the DPRK, Venezuela, Cuba, Nicaragua, Mali, Burkina Faso, etc. All targets of US imperialism. They support and are supported by all socialist or socialist adjacent countries.
The fact is that at the moment Russia is one of the biggest anti-imperialist forces in the world, and certainly the one doing most of the heavy lifting in terms of actually militarily taking on the imperialists and their proxies. They are militarily supporting anti-imperialist governments all over the world. They are killing more fascists each day than anyone else on the planet. And they are second only to China in their contribution to upending US hegemony.
If February 2022 didn’t happen we would be living in a very different world today, one in which US imperialism would still be in a much stronger position. The SMO has been and continues to be, objectively, a historic game changer and immensely positive contribution to the global anti-imperialist cause. Vladimir Putin’s personal ideological inclinations don’t change these factual realities. He has no choice but to act according to the geopolitical circumstances that Russia finds itself in.
I can still stan neither the US, nor Russian, now Ukraine. They can all be bad to a point where I don’t want to cheer for them. I will cheer for China any day though, or the other countries you mentioned. Russia is just a bit too reactionary for me, which is only likely to change once Putin stops leading the place.
And yes, they happen to be a target of imperialism by the US, mainly because the US is incapable of letting anything go and the average hog still equates russian with communist, which is not Russia’s fault. Them having allied with the block of countries that oppose the US/West globally is a pretty obvious move, since they have no other potential allies. in that sense they are indeed anti-imperialist, but that is like saying Hitler was an Anti-Imperialist for wanting to conquer France and the UK.
What do you think of the kidnapping children thing? I know they’ve cooperated with humanitarian organizations, but I think only a low two digit number of children were reunited this way. Obviously leaving a child in a warzone would be more barbaric than the common claims about what is actually happening, but your position seems to effectively be that Russia is not, on a systemic level, doing anything especially wrong, so I assume you have a much stronger claim.
For the record, this isn’t a “gotcha,” I am asking thinking you probably do have pertinent information here that I don’t, even if we might not 100% agree on how to interpret it.
What “kidnapping children”? Russia asked Ukraine to provide a list of names of the alleged “kidnapped” children, of which Ukraine and its western backers claim there are thousands if not tens of thousands, and they have failed to provide anything close to that.
Yes there are Russian speaking children from the affected areas who have lost their parents as a result of the war. Very often due to Ukraine’s terrorist tactics such as shelling civilian areas under Russian control, systematically using Russian speaking civilians as human shields against their will (this is amply attested by thousands of witness testimonies from the people in the liberated cities), kidnapping men off the streets, or just plain executing Russian speaking civilians who the Ukrainian Nazi brigades view as traitors for choosing to wait for the Russians. And undoubtedly in a war zone you will also have incidents of children simply becoming separated from their parents in the chaos.
But Russia has a humanitarian obligation to protect civilians, especially children, by removing them from active combat zones, and if they are children giving them stable housing and education until the parents or other relatives who are still alive come to claim them. And many of these children’s families are already in Russia or Russian controlled territory already so it’s usually not a problem. There have been several stories in Russian media about children being reunited with their parents, even with parents travelling from Ukraine to Russia to look for them, and the families usually choose to stay in Russia afterwards since it is much safer.
What Russia is not going to do is release potentially orphaned children to the Nazi regime in Kiev, when Ukraine is notoriously Europe’s human trafficking capital, without solid guarantees that these children will actually go to their parents and not end up in a trafficking situation. There are too many horrific stories from Ukrainians themselves about children just disappearing in their corrupt systems. There was even a report about children who Ukraine claimed Russia had “kidnapped” somehow turning up in Germany. I’m sorry but protecting those children is more important than giving in to the Kiev regime’s hysterics just to score PR points with the West.
Shit is he saying that? I mean even Brian Becker from the socialist program is saying that. But it’s not that Russia was unjustified in their action as we all know, it was NATO and it was a provocation…
Hassan has credibility because he’s so damn analytical and not immediately convinced by what the story is
I didn’t mean to imply he has no credibility. Actually, I quite like him. He’s good TV at a bare minimum, but yeah he’s got a great analysis of current events and he seems like a good guy. But I do think his usefulness will always be limited by his reformism.
Really though, I’m more concerned about his personal safety than I am about his politics right now. (Hence the parasocial comment.) I guess I spent too much time complaining in the previous comment, but I seriously think he needs to leave the country for his own safety (well really he should have left when he was stopped at the border, but again he’s stubborn/braver than me).
I feel you. Things are about to get much worse and the right will use anything to manufacture an opportunity to advance actual fascism. I mean, the line from Charlie to Rittenhouse is basically straight.
Be safe all my friends comrades and revolutionary rabble rousers.
Who exactly poses a physical threat to his safety? Hasan has been swatted before I think, so do you mean something like that?
Are you saying he’ll be taken out by the feds, cops, or an individual assassin?
The most likely threat to Hasan is a non-fed individual influenced by one of the anti-Hasan hate communities. Just takes one person who is in crisis or extraordinarily parasocial to take the anti-Hasan slander seriously. Many of the people leading the slander campaigns know they are inciting violence implicitly and some are fairly straightforward about it.
Literally anyone. He hasn’t been swatted on his new residence i think, if he does get swatted, who’s stopping a fed from accidentally putting a full mag on him? He is not as fringe as he was 3 years ago.
Hasan has been swatted before I think, so do you mean something like that?
I mean that doesn’t really make him immune to the dangers of getting swatted again?
feds, cops, or an individual assassin?
Possibly all of the above. Could be a lone wolf, could be a cop or a fed and then they pin it on a lone wolf. He has a lot of ops unfortunately.
Hasan was the Liberal Driller all along
they should do it, that would be funny.
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