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A lot of leftists like to use declining birth rate to show how capitalism bad, but I don’t think high birth rates means life is good. I don’t think we should care about birth rates at all, how about caring what % of people born get live a fulfilling life?
And I’m not ignorant to the fact that bad things might be causing declining birth rate, like the stuff mentioned in the comic, so fix then, but stop assuming that more children = better life.
The issue isn’t really population reduction, it’s population decline. You can quickly end up in a situation where too much of the population is old and there isn’t enough young people to support them, and it can have really bad socioeconomic and political impacts on society.
Humanity would survive and likely eventually level off at a lower population at some point, which would maybe even be beneficial in some ways, but the interim period would be pretty miserable for everyone.
That’s true, but two wrongs isn’t gonna make it right.
You just don’t care because you are not the one who will be giving births.
If it’s inevitable it’s inevitable.
Just saying if there sociological causes that can be ethnically mitigated it would probably be good to mitigate them.
Hell, Cuba has a p low birth rate right now, and a part of that is because of the embargo making life genuinely difficult for millions of cubans but it does kinda show that a low birth rate is just inevitable in a developed, stable society where women have rights
a low birth rate is just inevitable in a developed, stable society where women have rights
i think in a semi-utopian society with no scarcity, where potential ecological disasters have been avoided or mitigated, and where children are raised communally, birth rates would be higher (but still lower than the early 1900s in the west / late 1900s in the global south)
i do agree that low birthrates in themselves are not bad though
you have to care about birth rates to some degree out of simple materialist need, like, you need people to do things in the future and take care of an aging population that is less and less able to care for itself
but yeah, personally I don’t think the planet needs billions of people on it, but what’s the solution? arguing for a managed population decline could easily be construed as (or actually be, depending on who’s managing it) eugenics bullshit
Why do I have to care about birthrates? If Humanity can’t survive without capitalism and can’t survive without people reproducing of their own free will, maybe it shouldn’t exist. Everyone is going to die regardless in the end. Why keep re-creating miserable conditions where you Factory produce human beings just so they can grow corn for you to eat when you’re too old to do it yourself?
If women want to give birth and are unable to, create conditions where as many women can give birth as they want to, solve the issue that stops them from being able to.
If women don’t want to give birth, but humanity is making them, because they need more human drones to keep the humanity going, yes i think women should get together and say screw you assholes. Extinction is preferable to coerced birth.
to keep the humanity going, yes i think women should get together and say screw you assholes
Women are part of humanity and might not want to starve to death in their own shit in old age, not everything is part of some Gender Conflict where The Men are the only ones who care about birth rates
Don’t go off at ME like i’m some birth rate champion fascist btw I’m literally the “people shouldn’t even be parents” guy, I’m just explaining to you why birth rates matter outside of fascist race replacement crank concerns because
If Humanity can’t survive without capitalism and can’t survive without people reproducing of their own free will
it’s something that matters outside of capitalism unless yes you want to just throw up your hands and go “i don’t care about a functioning society”
I said I want to solve birth rate problem by improving society somewhat, not by making women give more births. If that’s controversial then yes that insult was aimed at you, otherwise it was aimed at people who think like that.
You do realize they kept r**e legal and still do in some places, because they are scared that it will reduce birth rates? That they took away access to birth control and now we have a crisis of children without parents? Children who are doing crime and sitting in prison because they don’t have any guidance and gangsters are using foster homes as nesting grounds for future recruits. Do you think this is a functioning society? Do you have any idea how many women are abused? Do you have any idea how terrified I am about my sister and pray every day that nothing bad happens to her even though I don’t believe such a thing as god exists in a world like this. That’s the entire reason why I emphasize addressing the root cause.
I’m taking way more restraint than I should when discussing these issues so I’m sorry if an insult aimed at people who want to implement such practices hurt your feelings.
oh my god go away, block
I would also add that, anecdotally, there seem to be a lot of women who want to be mothers but struggle to find partners and the stability to do so (up till recently this was the case for my sister, thankfully she found a good partner last year).
That’s not exactly an ideal situation for women either, if many of they want to experience motherhood but can’t.
i’m selfishsame. I’m also broke.
oh hey me too!
Honestly I never wanted kid just because both my parents seemed fucking miserable my entire childhood.
My sister wants kids weirdly.
Honestly I never wanted kid just because both my parents seemed fucking miserable my entire childhood.
This was a big factor in it for me, lol. I have vivid childhood memories of my mother screaming at me and decided I never wanted to become that kind of person.
My mom would watch reality TV all day, taught us pretty early on to nuke hot pockets and make Mac n Cheese for ourselves cuz she couldn’t be bothered to cook.
Then our dad who worked full time with an hour each way commute would get home and she’d yell at him for being a lazy husband. This lead unsurprisingly to him resenting my mom and us cuz he felt trapped in this family.
So yeah don’t really want to put another human through that.
Fuckin mood.
“why can’t you just pop a few out and then both work 3 jobs and 100 hours a week, move in some relatives to watch your kids and eventually just let them raise themselves, become directionless and predated on by grifters and the police state and drain the last of your meager resources trying to get their criminal records wiped”
You forgot the part where the relatives don’t want to help out or even spend time with your kids, then chastise you for having children even though they were the ones who pressured you into having kids in the first place
For me it’s more so the impending apocalypse feeding my own depression. I want to give my kids a stable life and I do not see how stability, let alone life, is anywhere to be found 15 years from now.
Broke, but also constantly on the verge of even worse catastrophe
it’s not just economics, there are tons of different situations in different countries but the drop is global. fron what ive heard one of the main drivers is that people are coupling less and even if they do, they do so at older ages which decreases fertility. i think it’s highly correlated with smart phone use but don’t quote me on that.
