Like what is the enforcement mechanism for “nobody is allowed to grow crops or build things anywhere on Earth”
Or do they actually expect the entire global population to unanimously decide they don’t want potable water or antibiotics anymore
they don’t, it’s a meme ideology and like many forms of libertarianism it doesn’t withstand other people forming groups to do stuff.
Just a day or two ago I was daydreaming about the meme where someone gets lice so they shave their head so they get stoned to death for inventing medicine. Then the people who stoned the victim to death get sentenced to death for inventing weaponry.
lmao, please post it if you have a copy.
It was years and years ago and no search engine could help me. I don’t remember if it was a 4chan green text or an anprim smiling ball meme. My memory has been severed from the great repository unfortunately. Ewa has forsaken me
Wasn’t Kazinsky an Anprim? Because I remember trying to read his god awful manifesto and couldn’t get through the first chapter.
All I could think was “You have a goddamn PhD in Mathematics, how are your terms so poorly defined and your predicates this bad? This what you went off grid to write?!”
He was. The phrase “The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race,” is a line from his manifesto.
He was a neo-Luddite which was similar.
I thought he was more of an eco-fascist
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I wish I could say the list of people that happened to was small
sharp stick
sharp stick
This is technology, you revisionist.
You get the (naturally occurring) pit.
This is technology, you revisionist.
This was funny and gave me a good chuckle.
You get the (naturally occurring) pit.
But this here is art lmao.
Political power grows out of a pointy end of a stick.
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At least anarcho primitivists don’t use the internet
The internet’s the only place I’ve ever encountered them
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That description honestly reminds me a lot of incel forums.
Most are related. The chuddier incels (as opposed to ppl at the mouth of the pipeline, or incels that haven’t chosen a political ideology) tend to have more or less the same ideas: “return to tradition”, bs conspiracies…
In this case it’s an anprimism closer to ecofascism, though to be fair there’s still an important amount of non racist, non incel, slightly based green anarchists that are particularly opposed to industrialism in general.
But again, its anarchism so every variation you can think of probably exists (in someone’s head as a serious thing). anarcho-fascism probably exists.
They don’t, its not a real ideology and self proclaimed anprims are generally speaking trolls or meme accounts engaging in post ironic humor or whatever
The anprim vision of society is primitive communism, small social units, and deindustrialization. The enforcement mechanism is consensus. Probably some particularly dedicated super-Ludds would be given to roaming around smashing water wheels or whatever, but they’d also die of cholera pretty fast. Most of the modern anprim writing I’ve seen is pretty firmly in the post-/anti-civ zone rather than re-enacting an imagined pre-civilization lifeway.
Probably some particularly dedicated super-Ludds would be given to roaming around smashing water wheels or whatever, but they’d also die of cholera pretty fast.
They’d probably die of being killed by the people whose water wheels they smashed quicker, TBH.
The enforcement mechanism is consensus.
So it is, in fact, “they actually expect the entire global population to unanimously decide they don’t want potable water or antibiotics anymore (or at least close enough to suppress everyone else)”?
Most of the modern anprim writing I’ve seen is pretty firmly in the post-/anti-civ zone rather than re-enacting an imagined pre-civilization lifeway.
I am not well-versed enough in these concepts to understand the difference and would like to know more
So it is, in fact, “they actually expect the entire global population to unanimously decide they don’t want potable water or antibiotics anymore (or at least close enough to suppress everyone else)”?
Only inasmuch as communists “expect the global population to unanimously decide they don’t want capitalism anymore” I guess. They’re not expecting this to happen by magic, they’re expecting to convince people of their ideas then form communities of people who share those ideas.
And if we’re going to separate the people who actually think and have theory and write stuff down and are in any way serious from the people who are trolling on the internet, then “we don’t want potable water or antibiotics” is a position held only by the latter group. It isn’t necessary to dismantle every single aspect of the current society we live in in order to do away with the parts which are harmful.
Only inasmuch as communists “expect the global population to unanimously decide they don’t want capitalism anymore” I guess.
We don’t at all, that’s why this site has emotes like
, we freely acknowledge that a non-trivial number of people oppose our project and thus implementing that project requires violently suppressing them.We don’t at all
Yes, that is what I said.
Okay but my main question is how they intend to impose their project upon everyone else.
I already answered that question, unless you mean that you think a system must be imposed on literally every person globally all at once in order to be considered successful.
I already answered that question
Where?
unless you mean that you think a system must be imposed on literally every person globally all at once in order to be considered successful.
Anprim as a movement considers the existence of an agricultural society anywhere on the face of the Earth an intolerable threat that must be annihilated, so yes their definition of “victory” necessarily entails the ability to enforce their vision on the entire world (or at least all the arable parts).
They don’t, they just make cool edits
It’s kind of like asking Christians how the kingdom of Heaven is supposed to be maintained. Making society follow the ideology isn’t really the point, the point of being an anarcho-primitivist is to be able to say what the problem is and have something to point at to blame for whatever other problems.
I mean, the Christians can at least say God is maintaining it or whatever
Yeah I meant for building it on earth
religious people by definition believe in magic so it isn’t all that similar really
All the people who know how to do things will die, leaving only the most anprim of all.
Edit: oops I thought you wrote ancap but like 50% of this still applies. Just replace “markets” and “competition” with “we’d figure it out through affinity groups and some sacrifices are just worth it”, the latter inevitably beginning genocidal/eugenicist in its implications.
Every “ideology” in that vein is based on short-term idealism. They have absolutely no idea what they’d actually do with power, and it would immediately collapse into liberalism (or similar) because the economic base would remain identical. They think they can change the base purely through minor superstructural adjustments.
Any attempt to realize their vision would result in gangs and black markets that eventually collude to hash things out legally rather than in the streets, keeping out small players through financial largesse, as liberalism is much cheaper than gang warfare. Any time you mention this, they will resort to a pure idealism premised on nearly everyone instantly becoming a deeply committed rule follower (the rules are the morals they teach each other) and market knower. Monopolies? Oh the “free market” automatically solves them, like magic. “Competition” automatically always happens even though monopolies are the inevitable antithesis of this and work directly against it using the mechanisms inherent to capitalism. The issue of natural monopolies is basically just ignored, they can’t even think about the nonsense that would be implied from having, say, 10 different street network companies somehow competing with each other. They just retreat to “they’d figure it out. Markets. Competition. Marginal value. Abolish age of consent”.
You know, I don’t think I’ve ever actually met one in person or online…
I have and to this day I think he was a fed. Like quite literally, man had a very questionable background.
an prim is just intellectual masturbation
They don’t lol
There’s a catch, if they’re true anprims you shouldn’t be able to talk to them online, Uncle Ted would be very upset if he knew they were touching keyboards
