She’s the captain and chairman, she does whatever the fuck she wants. Those losers probably won’t even make it to Starfleet pre-selection.
Also, when you love Trek, you love all of them and are happy to have something new in the IP.
Also, when you love Trek, you love all of them
Mmm, it’s a bit like saying if you love gourmet food, than we’ll love pig slop.
No, you can dislike some, like recently I did not like the Section 31 film.
But was I bitching about it on the internet ? No Was I happy to have another piece of the Trek universe to watch even if it was a bad one ? Yes
You give me Trek I’m happy to be able to consume Trek, end of story.
I think the key message is about letting other people enjoy things even if you personally don’t. I like Star Trek but if there are no good new stories to be told, I’m ok with there not being any more new Star Trek. We’ll always have the old stuff.
Communities that are just build around vocally disliking something (based on taste) are usually not the greatest places.
Amazing
This begs for a response by Robert Ricardo, offering an analgesic cream for those burns. 😂
Even a dermal regenerator is going to leave scars with that burn
The fact that this is happening is a disgrace to those who behave this way: you don’t embody IDIC.
I like star trek starfleet academy for the most part. What I don’t like about the show is that I can’t watch it with my kids yet.
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Online attacks against an actor on a Star Trek show is not very Star Trek philosophy. World needs more Spock’s and less Kahn’s.
For the record, if anyone reading this is that sort of person, you can save us a lot of time and just go away now.
I feel like calling Captain Ake “mumbles” is right up there with calling Picard “baldy”. I get the feeling we’re dealing with the kind of people who think one of those things is okay and the other isn’t.
It’s pretty stupid to pick on Holly Hunter for her trademark.
If I can understand her almost 100% not being myself a native English speaker, the problem is not her.
And if you don’t, that’s what subtitles are for. Hardly much to complain about.
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Discovery lacked much needed love for the franchise, with lot of nonsensical, lore breaking episodes. The same is true for Picard sadly. But I am finding STSA boasting some of the best episodes for a Star Trek season 1 series so far. Star Trek was always woke, and that is why it was so loved. STSA is no more woke than Voyager was. I see lot of respect from the writers to the previous series. STSA makes me think of TNG much more often than any other nutrek series (except lower deck, but that is nearly fanservice). Being into the future you have a lot of flexibility to do something new, and I like that a lot. Nahla Ake is a different character than Picard or Janeway, and that is fine. A great character nonetheless in my opinion.
What bugged me about Discovery was their need, especially in the later seasons, to have like an affirmation circle in the middle of a mission–frequently when there was a ticking clock of some kind. My wife and I would be yelling at the screen “this is what the debrief is for!”. SNW does this sort of thing really well. As has Starfleet Academy. I’m really digging it.
only because of KURTZMAN was controlling nutrek, thats why conservatives called it woke, its not so much of its being “already inclusive” but to add nothing to writing or plots is bad for the show. DISC, picard are pretty bad shows, SNW needed better acting and writing.(i think the premise is fine)
I haven’t watched STSF yet but yeah there’s ton of stuff in Trek that would quality as “woke” right back to ToS, as well as a bunch of stuff that “broke” from an intellectual level.
I think my biggest issue with Picard is the latter… with the “fireworks in space” celebration (complete with sound of course) just making me want to bury my head in my hands.
It’s never been perfect, but it’s still entertaining.
I haven’t seen STA yet, but it seems like, with a few exceptions, the most recent Star Trek has always been controversial, since The Next Generation. I feel like Enterprise deserved it the most, and SNW escaped most of it. Discovery probably got it the worst? Though TNG was by far the least deserving of it.
Discovery definitely feels like it, especially since you have people still arguing quite animatedly about how it’s not Star Trek, and might have Ruined Star Trek Forever, though I would rather imagine much of it to be recency and accessibility more so than much else.
The other shows are a bit less accessible, even if they are newer, since CBS moved it onto their streaming service, and off of Netflix, whereas Discovery aired on Netflix around a time when Netflix was one of the bigger streaming platforms out there, and more people who aren’t as into Star Trek or other CBS properties might encounter it incidentally.
But for the most part, every single successor to Star Trek has always been controversial, and deemed to have ruined it forever, though most of it abates when the next show comes around, and is then deemed to have ruined Star Trek forever.
Though TNG was by far the least deserving of it.
I actually wonder about that. Most of the complaints, like the ones about Stewart being a shakespearean actor who wouldn’t be able to handle the rigours of serious television, or being bald were nonsense, but there was a lot of good reasons to complain about early TNG. A fair chunk of the early episodes weren’t very consistently good.
We know it to be better in hindsight, but if The Next Generation had started today, and not only is the second episode a rehash of a Star Trek (1966) episode, but the fourth was Code of Honour? I would also be inclined to criticise it for being quite bad. There’s a good reason why a lot of the advice for people watching TNG is to stick around until Season 3, or start from Season 3, since that’s when it gets better.
I think the series with the worst long lasting impact is Voyager. VOY Borg are really bad compared to TNG Borg. PRO uses TNG Borg, which is great, but LDS suffers for its VOY Borg and I heard PIC stinks because it makes VOY Borg the main villains.
Personally, of the new Star Trek that’s come along since the Kelvin timeline was started the only thing I’m taking into my personal canon is Lower Decks. The rest has been completely meh at best, downright awful at worst. Most of it I’ve simply let pass out of mind and memory.
There’s just no objectivity anymore. Everything is subjective so if you don’t like it you’re just a hater. Despite the fact the actual writing has been god awful for most of the revival era since Disco
Discovery probably “got it the worst” because it came out during peak gamergate-era politics. Online fandoms were weaponized and radicalized into right-wing culture warriors. Discovery is easily the least preachy of any Star Trek series but because it had a black woman in a leading role it became an obvious target for ragebaiters to make stuff up about.
Ironically my biggest issue with Discovery is that it’s pretty right-wing with its CIA stand-in apologia and blatantly militaristic style in Seasons 1 and 2 at least.
That and the sheer degree of melodrama. Every episode needs to have scenes of at least one or two characters in total anguish. It just wears me down compared to other Treks.
I didn’t like that they fridged Georgiou, who I felt was the strongest character they had thus far introduced. After that it became really really clear Burnham was the main character, which is a concept I don’t think belongs in Star Trek. The only other series that gets close to having a main character is TOS, which I dislike for the same reason. Kirk and Burnham both become boring when they’re the only point of view character for an entire episode.
STD was the most PREACHY of the series and they did pretty poorly, you know where it was the most obvious, targeting specifically 2 demographics.
Which I find kinda surprising, since I would call SNW fairly “woke” if you actually pay attention to the show. Maybe it’s just because it’s a male captain set in the TOS era, and it’s a more traditional trek show?
SNW is a good balance. Discovery on the other hand, was way too emotional for me. Where is STSA on the crying-every-other-scene scale?
My main problem with DIS has a name: Michael Burnham. Not the actress, the script.
And about your question: no, the crying is only in scenes that work (traumatic or sentimental enough) unlike DIS.
it was pretty much a push"woman can have masculine names too" kind of preachy attitude from Kurtzman, and not just ambigious name that be either gender. it still an awful name to begin with.
I don’t mean the name itself. I mean the way Michael behaves. Even more when you think that she was adopted by a Vulcan family.
I found Discovery the same way, it’s the only trek series I couldn’t make it through.
Picard suffered from bad writing unfortunately. Season 3 cashed in on nostalgia and I appreciate it for that, but the first 2 seasons were very meh.
Starfleet academy is great though, IF you’re ok with a show targeted to young adults. If you’re not ok with that, the episodes will be very hit and miss. The most recent episode was fantastic, once you get through the 3 minute long sex scene it opened with. Even that does serve a purpose though to show the bond that’s developed between two chars.
STA is another “SGU-like” i only see it will end quickly.
Yeah you’re wrong. I could barely make it through a few episodes of SGU, but STA is much better.
S2 of SGU was great
Oh, I don’t talk about Picard. Too much WTF.
STSA feels like a blend of Lower Decks and Discovery to me. I also had issues with Discovery (though it got better after the time jump) but have been enjoying Academy each week.
The SAM episode was a little meh, personally, but I like that they’re dealing with the shorter season format and still doing episodes based around each character.
I dont like DIS because it does not feel very trek to me with the ugly klingons and the overall dark stories and characters. Also (like PIC) its very storyline so i cant really just jump into an episode and be happy (or unhappy, whatever story the episode is)
On the other side i think SNW is what should have been the first series after the pause after ENT. Its hopeful, most episodes can be watched alone and it still has a background story like VOY. And like every trek its woke.
I think that PIC would have gotten a similar (smaller?) shitstorm compared to DIS if that was the first after the pause. LD maybe too but less for the quality and more because its animated. And PRO for feeling more nicelodeon than trek (or rather a mix)
If DIS came just later than others it would have probably been either more liked or at least ignored like a lot ignore PIC or Short Treks
its also all the discontinuity of the series too. Klingon appearance, cloaking tech, ADVANCED TELEPORTATION tech that is never mentioned in any of the old series at all even if just referenced without showing.
snw is actually quite less “woke” than STD, std has all no-men crew by season 4, it was pretty obvious, and the lgbtq+ people have largely been marginalized by that time too, after they served a purpose in season 1.
i think by SNW they realized how bad some of the characthers and how they are overly pushed as the leads.
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to be fair prodigy would be better than the current Nutrek series, shouldnt have let Kurtzman or whoever is a predecessor take over it.
Prodigy is great!
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I haven’t watched STA. Is the captain really lounging in the chair and going barefoot?
I have an autistic friend who likes to go barefoot because it helps her sensory stuff. Chancellor Ake is good representation - she does a damn fine job with no shoes on!
She’s a Lanthanite https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Lanthanite They tend to have certain eccentricities for obvious reasons.
Yes, but in context it’s not a big deal. A lot of it is contrasting her with her peer, the chancellor of the war college, who is uptight. Ultimately, she’s less military commander, or even explorer, and more chancellor of a school full of students and in that capacity it makes more sense to generate a relaxed atmosphere. When the situation calls for it, she can be serious as well.
She just has her own style, but people want to be negative because she’s not Picard-ing hard enough or some dumb shit.
On the contrary it is a big deal, it makes Ake extremely endearing and likeable.
She reminds me of a few of my professors in both my undergraduate English program and my graduate religious studies program, all of them wonderful and safe-feeling people. She’s the first school chancellor we’ve really seen in Star Trek and she feels very much like a university-level educator to me–with the whole starship command piece being additional to her main job.
I don’t even know the premise for the show… If the captain of a flagship was lounging in the chair, I would lose lock pretty fast. Apparently this is an academy and she is more like a professor?
The Academy is a fully-functional starship, so she’s both the captain and the chancellor. She’s 500 years old, is a bit of a hippy, and is happy to lounge around when they’re not facing a crisis.
Jimmmy Kirk lounged around when there was a crisis so I don’t know what these people are upset about
Riker happily slapped his ass down in the weapons console so he could chat up the prettiest subordinate on duty. Not sure why we’re suddenly supposed to be pretending Trek ever maintained a stern and solemn work environment.
Data’s face here is like “Commander, you have targeted the warp nacelles on the Reliant and are preparing to fire.”
It’s so odd how these criticisms are only directed at women…
There you go, accusing people of being sexiest and racist just because they have a meltdown every time some piece of media prominently features a woman or person of colour. I’m sure it’s just a highly predictable coincidence.
I encourage you to watch it and form your own opinion (just make sure to get past the first ten minutes of the pilot, the tone shifts dramatically).
Captain Ake runs the Academy and commands the Academy ship, the Athena, which is used to do more hands on training but isn’t the flagship by any stretch. She’s more like a principal than a professor. The other main characters are cadets, with some strong supporting characters too.
IMO it’s the first live action Trek show in the new era to come out firing on all cylinders and it’s great to see.
Just remember, Star Trek ships don’t have seat belts. Gonna be fun when someone slams on the brakes and Captain slouchy goes flying out of her chair, across the freshly waxed floor, and into the viewscreen. At least the nextgen crew knew to put carpet on the floors.
The Athena has inertial dampeners. The only reason she’d get hurt from curling up on the captain’s chair with a book is in a combat situation. And we saw her put the book down when things got serious.
oh hey its the guy from the article
More than one person dislikes the show.
woah wow its like they dont even realize theyre doing it wow
These ships all had inertial dampers, otherwise the crew would be paste during most maneuvers. Seatbelts would just cause a different kind of mess. And even if they didn’t, are you suggesting Picard’s grip is sufficient to combat those forces? Because he didn’t have a seat belt, either. Maybe it was the force of his presence that you think was going to keep him seated?
It’s also been 800 years since then. It’s the third millennium, the seat probably is the belt itself at that point.
I love this one because it looks like Rikers got Bohemian Rhapsody blasting over the sound system and everyone’s just headbanging along.
Beeeeelzebub has a devil put aside for meeeeee!
And where are the seat belts?
wouldnt matter if you are crashing into something at several km/s, YOUR seatbelt might even slice you in half if you suddenly stop due to inertia and momentum.
Whoosh.
Is that the sound of the warp drive in space? It certainly isn’t the sound effect the explosions in space use.
If it wasn’t for artistic license, they could have gone with what happens when the inertial dampers fail in the spaceships in David Weber’s books, which is a more realistic outcome (assuming realism is what you’re looking for in a setting with warp drives and inertial dampers), but writing off the crews of ships that don’t matter to the storyline in a red paste probably wouldn’t go over well in a family drama. About as well as people sitting around in a pitched battle with the occasional hum or shudder.
I suppose if they’d been in a more relaxed pose they would have flown farther?
When I say that I don’t like how she lounges in her chair as a Starfleet captain, that’s not disrespectful, it’s just my opinion. Otherwise, the series is okay; it deserves a chance.
That’s what a captain does. Captains going on away missions weekly is what’s totally unrealistic. But that’s the engineered drama.
Oh, really? Which other captains do that? Did Picard or Janeway lounge in their seats like 13-year-old schoolgirls? I don’t remember that.
Sisko sure did…
Damn, what has you so aggressive here? The other comment wasn’t venomous. Hell, it wasn’t even a little snarky.
Something going on you want/need to vent about? Legit asking, I’ve had days where I got shitty to people that weren’t doing anything, and having a quick vent would have helped.
Lol. Aggressive, huh?
Did Picard or Janeway outlive all their friends family and comrades.
I personally have several issues with the show; but Ake’s posture is certainly not one of them – In fact I kinda like it. She’s giving me Guinan or Dr Who vibes portraying an outward silliness that hides an inner sadness and seriousness.
I chill in chairs like that all the time. It’s comfy. Don’t be so self conscious you let schoolgirls have all the fun.
Sure, but you’re not a Starfleet captain. It just doesn’t work for me for that role. That’s all.
If she does that in her quarters, great. But it just looks unprofessional to me in the captain’s chair.
