• UnspecificGravity@piefed.social
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    It would actually be a lot more efficient to go back a little further and help the English win the revolution. That ends slavery like 30 years earlier and your grandkids would end up with socialized medicine and a better national anthem.

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      That presumes the same course of history if the UK maintains its most profitable slaving colonies - what would become the US South.

      For some reason, I suspect that abolitionism in the colonies may not be as desirable to British imperial policy in that case.

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        A) ALL time travel scenarios include such assumptions, including the one that I am replying to.

        B) The British empire had more than one profitable slave colony, including at the time of abolition as it is.

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          1. The time travel scenario above includes no further assumptions resulting from the time travel. Helping the rebellion against slavery is its own cause.

          2. I didn’t say they didn’t have other profitable slaving colonies, I said it would likely be different if their most profitable slaving colony remained an asset of the British Empire. Both in terms of proportional and absolute profit, the southern states outproduced all the rest of the British slaver holdings combined - and cotton was key in the burgeoning industries of the UK.

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            1. Stopping rich slave owners from establishing total control of an entire continent and the founding of a slave based economic system is its own cause.

            2. On one hand we have the actual historical reality that the Britain (and even the US, eventually) banned slavery despite its profitability. On the other hand, we have your ass. I know which one I think is more likely to produce something that resembles a likely outcome.

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              1. Stopping rich slave owners from establishing total control of an entire continent and the founding of a slave based economic system is its own cause.

              You mean the slave-based economic system that predated independence? That was cultivated by the British Empire intentionally to alleviate the problem of white indentured servants making demands of British elites? The continent where the Brits were continuously expanding their holdings? That continent?

              Fuck outta here with this infantile nationalist bullshit.

              1. On one hand we have the actual historical reality that the Britain (and even the US, eventually) banned slavery despite its profitability. On the other hand, we have your ass. I know which one I think is more likely to produce something that resembles a likely outcome.

              “The UK probably would have taken longer to ban slavery if the profits were significantly greater and their industry (reliant on Southern cotton up to the 1860s) was reliant on them not banning slavery in their colonies”

              “ur ass”

              Sorry that you have such an amazing paucity of ability to analysis hypotheticals. I hope you improve someday.

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                  You’re absolutely right, what was I thinking!?

                  In the true spirit of the comm, what I meant was “Correct, the British Empire would have brought civilization and humane treatment to the colonies just as it had everywhere else HM’s rule prevailed, if it had just lasted a little longer” 🙏

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                  “It’s funny that you’re dismissive about someone displaying a total inability to examine cause and effect or the actual origins of the systems condemned despite it explicitly being pointed out, something that will not be acknowledged so long as the possibility for masturbation over the British Empire remains”

                  Hilarious, even.

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    Who else throughout history should be given time travel machine guns? I think Lin Zexu should have been armed to win the opium war he kicked off when he Boston tea partied the English drug shipment

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      Hannibal, the Carthaginian general. Give him like 100 AK-47s and 2 tons of ammo, plus 1 IKEA style manual on how to maintain the gun.

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        A world where Rome lost the punic wars would be so different it is hard to think about. I’m not sure if it would be better or worse. Iirc Carthage was less democratic but also less militaristic and more pluralistic. It could go either way imho.

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        Pretty unusual to see a war on drugs actually target the drug imports and not just criminalize the addicts . No surprise that Lin Zexu is a hero to the Fujonese people. I want to write a fan fic of him hooking up with the stars of heated rivalry so he can be a hero of the Fujoshi people as well.