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I’m confused…The entire world spent about $55B a year on Biomedical research, with the US employing thousands through the NIH with a $40B/yr budget. Now, the $40B is gone.
What are these scientists going to do in Europe or Canada?, because NONE of those governments of G8 have increased research funding and in Canada, 90% of grant proposals are not funded. So yeah, scientists are moving back to home countries to be cab drivers while governments waste billions on military purchases.
As for the US, 0% of basic research that leads to new drugs was done by Pharma. They cut off the heads of all their pipelines to what was a $T industry.
All this says China may be the place to go if you can do math in your head.
Well, to be fair, each person only has to find one job in order to make their move to another nation.
Also, if they are going to be targeted for other reasons (race, gender, religion, political views) in the longer term, or think they might, moving might be the far more preferable option even if they are initially not working in their field.
When the Americans that see what’s wrong leave, those of us who are resigned to fight will face greater challenges. We are abandoned by these people, regardless of their intentions.
The world needs helpers, not cowards. But I get it… We have only one life to live. I don’t resent them, but we feel it, when they go…
I think about Renee and Alex sometimes. I realize they are the best of us. They fought. They stayed. They wanted a better world, and they fought for it.
I don’t have a point here, everyone… I just think we should raise a glass people like this tonight.
I won’t raise a glass to those that abandon their privilege, though. You have your reward. Good for you, surely… But the rest of us must push on.
Cheers, everyone.
I cannot say there will be pogroms against intellectuals, although some radical movements certainly have had theirs when we look at history. I also cannot say how many of the scientists leaving are also in at-risk groups from a Nat-C government.
I definitely understand people that just want to live their lives just picking up and moving to where they can do that. The people in this article concern those that worked toward something in science, it’s not like they are professional activists or poli sci majors.
It’s the crazy redcaps that decided to politicize everything to such an extent as to threaten reality-based livelihoods. And so if these people now have a choice of: being completely impoverished thanks to the childish “maga” (baby word) thing and maybe even targeted for violence or imprisonment, or move to a place that actually welcomes the reality-based community? It seems like a fairly obvious choice.
US brain drain effects for the next generation will be brutal.
What’s worse to me is the idea of more and more of the scientists who oppose this regime are now gone, so what kind of scientists are left in the US? It’s not just drain, it’s likely a hard rightward shift of disciplines within the country. Fascism loves a scientist without morals.
We’ve already seen this in medical, with Dr Oz being promoted to a leadership position in the government. And now, since Measles has made a comeback, he’s floundering trying to get a pro-vaccine message out, since oh shit, it turns out traditional doctors who actually listened in med school instead of just paying professors off whilst doing bumps in the dorm room were actually right. Who’da thought?
We started applying after Jan 6th. Once there was no real response holding those leading a violent coup to overthrow the nation, it was time to go. It took years, but away we are.
The GOP has spent decades cancelling my grants and fucking with my career. The lastest round of cancellations this year is just a swansong and a final goodbye. Fuck em, I’ll teach engineers in Europe instead. Added bonuses: real healthcare, my kids won’t have huge student loan debt, the trains go everywhere, and the food is better.
Unfortunately, I’m barely monolingual in English. If you have any recommendations for expats, I’d love to hear them - especially for someone that only knows English.
We’re mostly monolingual in English too. Berlin is 30% first and second gen immigrants now. The lingua franca is English here. Not all jobs will let you be English only, but there’s some out there. Going shopping and stuff? You’ll be okay.
Learning the local language should be high on your list anywhere you move to, even if it’s another English dialect, eh?
UK, Ireland, Luxembourg.
The more niche your field is, the more acceptable English will be anyway everywhere else.
You will be absolutely fine speaking only English to start with in the nordics as well, especially if you can land a position in one of the capitals. You will be required to (and absolutely should!) learn the national language if you mean to fully migrate and become a citizen, but I’ve known people who’ve lived and worked here for decades who still only have a tenous grasp on Danish.
To be fair, the Danish people themselves only have a tenuous grasp on Danish
Do you have any tips for American engineers trying to move over?
I’m sure there’s many more how to guides out there.
Big one is work, of course. Start applying now. If you score a contract for a long term job you’ll be in great shape.
If you can afford to job hunt for a bit, most people with degrees can get a ChanceKarte visa. That’ll let you move without a job and search/interview for a year, even work small jobs while you land a full time gig.
Start early on reaching visa processes. They’re not hard, just confusing in places.
Sweep up your important docs early. Get your work history documented, ideally any contracts you had for old jobs and letters of recommendation.
Patience matters. Immigration can be slow and opaque. Fortunately it’s not expensive for Germany, just paperwork heavy.
Engineering has a good chance for an English speaking job. Perseverance will make it happen if you want it.
Gross inherited wealth is the societal version of terminal cancer. It is the actual underlying problem that has gone unsolved. Intelligence is not hereditary in humans. No amount of money can replace meritocratic hierarchy at scale. As long as that issue goes unaddressed, this place will crash and burn. Anything beyond an upper middle-class trust for life must be forfeit. That one change eliminates every problem person you know by name.
I feel like all of the ways to actually effectively solve it are just wildly immoral, unpopular, or just too far from cultural norms to really ever happen. We’re cooked.
Like an obvious way to deal with nepotism would be simply not allow people to parent children and make children property of the state.
Now, when you’re an adult you can earn whatever in the meritocracy and build whatever kind of life you want, marry whomever, and have as many kids as you want. You’ll just never know those children.
Problem… solved?
Like an obvious way to deal with nepotism would be simply not allow people to parent children and make children property of the state.
Wtf? I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you’re very young. Young people often get stuck on the first mechanism they come up with even when there are in-fact lots of other effective (less horrific) mechanisms. In this case, the “obvious” ways to deal with nepostism is a high inheritance tax and anonymous independent review in cases like hiring. Since we’re assuming you’re on the younger side, I’ll note that these are two separate mechanisms targeted at different contexts. While that’s perhaps not as “elegant” as a single solution that solves both problems, it’s significantly less messed up and thus significantly more achievable.
Young people often believe that blunt tools (like violence) are the only/best answer because they lack the knowledge, experience, and education to see the other options, but please remember that there are many many other options. In fact, if you want to be seen as smarter than your peers, seek out and discuss those other mechanisms.
that photo looks like it’s from the 80s
That photo looks like it’s from a dope new indie band.
Yes.
I’m constantly befuddled as to which decade it even is when it comes to fashion. I keep seeing young girls wearing those shirts that came straight out of the 80s - those big shirts that come off one shoulder. No idea what they are called. I haven’t seen those things in since forever - until the past few years.
At the same time, I just saw a gaggle of teens/early 20s kids crossing the road, and one of the girls was wearing a pair of those huge tracksuit pants that I haven’t seen since early rave days.
I’m sure there has been fashion in the 00, teens, and now 20s, but most of it seems rather light touch or didn’t last long, or spins on stuff from earlier decades…
adam ruins everything has a video about how the 2000s made us stop talking about decades and switch to refer to generations instead which caused us to lose the concept of a shared culture basically, and segregated us instead.
we have clear ideas about fashion, music, art and design when we think about the 40s vs 50s or 80s vs 90s for example, but no one really knows wtf the 2000s vs 2010s were about.
Ironically, he also did a rather famous talk where he dismantles the idea of generations being anything more than a construct of marketing.
you mean appropriately, right? i don’t see irony here.
Oh, sorry, I misread your first sentence there. Yes, appropriately, then. I read it as him influencing people to stop talking about decades and start talking about generations.
I don’t know if that really started in the 2000s, though? Maybe it really got adopted by a lot more people, I don’t know.
I seem to remember seeing lots and lots spilled ink where self-identified boomers were wringing their hands over what to do about Gen X and their aimlessness (before the Gen X thing was really firmed up, we were called baby busters, slacker generation, twentynothings, MTV generation and probably some other names I cannot remember now. I like Gen X a lot more and the book is actually quite good, even though I think it better describes Generation Jones as filtered through a Canadian than my age group. ).
I remember seeing Gen X writing things about how they had a bleak future (many of us entering the workforce during a recession), that the contract between employee and employer was broken in the 80s, that Gen X was not going to collect Social Security after the boomers took it all, that the idea of working 50 years for a company and being repaid with that loyalty with a good pension and gold watch at the end of it was long over when we were still kids, etc.
This seemed to quickly shift to hearing/reading more Gen Y moaning about the boomers and boomers complaining about Gen Y, probably because both groups having larger numbers than Gen X.
So maybe that’s what Adam was pointing out - that it wasn’t so much only the chattering classes and marketers adopting these positions, it was also much of the people themselves…I definitely feel that of almost any “generation” that boomers were probably one of the first that were so studied and so regimented and probably had a lot of commonalities that were formative, at least early in life. I seem to remember Timothy Leary - who was of an older generation, but hugely popular with boomers and he learned to cater to them, I think - commenting on that to some extent. He might have even mentioned the Dr. Spock thing.
You should see the mix of trends on college campuses rn. Midriff shirts and big pants are somehow back.
It’s so weird to me. I recently “gave up” and started wearing comfy clothes like flannels, oversized sweaters, and mom jeans, then my 19 year old coworker told me I looked so cool and I legitimately thought she was joking at first.
Made me think of the uh, American Apparel style of photography, sans showing as much skin as is (or isn’t) legally permissible.
