Case was seen as major test of the first amendment and whether the US could use broad anti-terrorism statute to prosecute leftwing protesters
When being against fascism gets you charged as a terrorist, you live in a fascist regime.
And all those concentration camps they’re building aren’t just for immigrants.
Even if they were, it would count.
Yeah, if they were “just for immigrants” they wouldn’t be any less bad. They’re horror made real either way, which is the main reoccurring reality of what’s happening.
Thats actually insane. This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE deal
Every other day it’s something that’s a HUGE HUGE HUGE fucking deal. It’s done, the frog is boiled. Violent rebellion or accept fascism, choose one.
Have you joined your local lefty self defense org?
I’m just sitting here in Canada hoping you guys get your fucking shit together and figuring out a way I can get my transgender girlfriend the fuck out of America.
Sorry m8
Shit sucks, bro. I’m worried about her every day.
Also a canadian, join the Canadian Socialist Rifle Association
does she have any Canadian grandparents (like anywhere up her family tree, great-great-great grandparents, etc.)? I think they just made a new rule that Americans who can prove they are descended from a Canadian can apply for citizenship?
I don’t think she does. I’m pretty sure I asked her about that before.
I belive the term here is “kangaroo court”
They pointed to the fact that the demonstrators took steps to prevent their cell phones from being tracked.
Prosecutors also pointed to the way that the protesters used Signal, a widely-used messaging application, as evidence of their coordination and conspiracy. The protesters used pseudonyms on the app and had messages autodelete, an increasingly common practice among protesters and journalists who are concerned about government surveillance. They also emphasized the defendants were wearing all black during the protest, sometimes describing it as “tactical” gear.
That just describes my normal non-protest day. The fuck is this?
My black T-shirt is now tactical gear.
Tactileneck
At first they came for the tactical protestors and I said nothing. Then they came for the goths, then the emo kids.
And the overweight people, because black is slimming.
When you find out you’ve been a terrorist your whole life…
The Epstein class wants to “protect the children” through mandatory ID and E2EE bans, if you don’t support the Epstein class then you’re a terrorist
Antifa! ANTIFA!!!
Me too, by the way. Tbh, I’m way closer to antifa than to ever setting foot in the USA. And I still think that’s a good thing. At least being anti fascist and willing to punch a Nazi.
Sanchez-Estrada was the only defendant not at the protest, and was only charged with corruptly concealing a document or record, after prosecutors say he moved leftwing zines following the arrest of his wife, Maricela Rueda, on the Fourth of July. Song also escaped after the incident and there was an 11-day manhunt for him.
WTF THEYRE COMING FOR OUR ZINES!!!???
I’m confused. Is a left wing magazine one that promotes the ideals of freedom like fighting against government overreach against your people? Is a left wing magazine one that advocates for defending your friends and family against masked thugs using any means necessary?
Because apparently I know a lot of Republicans on the Antifa payroll.
Ooooo wow you sure got them in a pickle of hypocrisy now
Buy a gun
TIL as I’ve long suspected: The Declaration of Independence and Constitution are left-wing zines circulated by anti-authoritarian extremists. Fascinating.
I’m pretty sure the Bible is a left-wing zine.
No mistake!
(high-fives you in Christian Anarchist)
First amendment is long dead bro
The IHRA really did kill it
What does ihra mean in this context. I looked it up and can’t figure it out.
Ah, sorry about that. The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA). They created a definition of antisemitism that conflate criticism of pissrael with antisemetism and they are working hard as hell to get it installed across all the governments. Some states have used their definition iirc. But, to me, it was the final nail in the coffin that is the first ammendment, at the behest of Zionazis
“You have been fount guilty of zpreading communist propaghanda. Ze fuhrer is most displeazed.”
I believe this was a part of their ‘throw spaghetti at the wall and see which sticks’ strategy, because while I read about these charges it became obvious that they applied pretty much any charge available that could halfway fit into a conviction.
They did all they could to make an example out of these people, and as many have said this is something that we all really need to start paying attention to. This is a big step and a big deal.
Fascists say what?
Wh—DAMMIT NOT AGAIN
;-)
Had me in the first two letters, ngl.
If they are going to process you as terrorist anyway, then you might as well make moves that are worthy of the label. After all the only real difference between a freedom fighter and terrorist is the narrative.
Jein. There’s also the problem that antifa believers generally have universal morals, such as killing is bad.
We killed a whole bunch of Nazis about 80 years back and that worked out pretty well
Well akshually - as a German who paid attention in history class:
- killing Nazis was an act of necessary self-defense to accomplish anything. A precondition, if you will
- what worked out pretty well was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan and especially the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification - I will be forever grateful to the Allied Forces for getting this right. It made Germany the least fascist nation in Europe for well over 60 years.
The long lasting effects were not permanent, unfortunately. I might like to ask for another allied victory over Nazi Germany soonish, with a new Denazification. Except there are no “Allied Forces” left that stand against Nazism :( And I am not trying to be dramatic, this is actually fucking with me for the past 10 years or so.
Well actually, we were kind of hoping that you guys might gang up and save us from our lunatic this time
I mean, it won’t be long before we are utterly defenseless.
The problem is your country got nukes and the largest conventional military in the world - we couldn’t help you out even if we wanted to. :(
There might be an opportunity after we blow through the missiles and drones over the next few years if a debt crisis wrecks our economy.
Not holding my breath, but the future is uncertain.
Give us a couple of weeks, we’re blowing through all that stuff right now
I am so devastated for the İranian people :'-( On the one side butchered by their regime, and on the other they are getting bombed by a pedo-criminal bunch of rapists and murderers trying to distract from their corruption.
Huh? I read here constantly about killing Nazis, meaning law enforcement and republicans.
Agreed.
Any candidate for the 2028 Democratic presidential primary better be getting asked about pardoning all these people
They better be asked about how they’re going to prosecute all these fucking criminals in the White House
Guilty till they can prove themselves innocent…FROM JAIL
What has this country come to???
It’s been like this for a very long time. Back in the 1950s, you could call someone a communist and they would be arrested and put on trial.
Republican Wonderland.
A police officer arrived on the scene shortly after and drew his weapon at one of the people allegedly doing vandalism. One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit him in the shoulder. The officer would survive.
Even this conviction is bullshit. The cop drew first. Song shot in defense of others.
The standards of ROE they hold fucking police officers to is absolutely fucked. They draw their weapons at the drop of a hat and fucking POINT a weapon at unarmed people all the fucking time. The second weapon safety rule is to NEVER point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. IN A FUCKING WAR ZONE, a mfer could be cursing at you with a goddamn AK pointed at you and ROE say you still aren’t justified to engage. If a cop points a weapon directly at someone, that establishes intent by basic-ass weapons safety rules that these jackasses are supposed to be trained in. Charge all cops with attempted murder that point weapons at unarmed people. And I mean that unironically, pass a law and everything. They can’t keep getting away with escalating all these situations so fucking often that people feel the need to arm themselves and put on body armor just in case they run across a cop. And if these baby-bitch cops can’t be trusted with firearms, how about we take their fucking guns and arm minorities instead. At least minorities in America actually have a reason to fear for their lives enough to arm themselves.
It’s interesting how there are more dead protesters than police forces.
Tbh we need more of this they kill us in droves already.
Well we’ll see how soon appeals can start. This is going to be a big case either way.
Fuck the United States, piece of shit country masquerading as a free and advanced nation.
Shit. Hole. If I was there and I had any, any chance to leave I would be gone. Long, long, long gone.
T-minus 8 months until people actually start to become concerned there I guess.
T-minus 8 months until people actually start to become concerned there I guess.
I guess you haven’t paid attention to those of us who have been fighting against this shit as we’re able for well over two decades. I guess you don’t see the gradual increase in awareness.
Has it led to ovethrowing everything yet? No, but a lot of people are fucking concerned. So you guess wrong.
I really hate to minimize the very real efforts you’re talking about. From the outside, it’s just…too much. It’s gone way too far, the damage being done is way over the line. I can say with 100% certainty that if this was happening where I am, we would be burning things to ground by now. That’s the frustrating part.
I just don’t know how the American people (I’m not including MAGA in that) expect the rest of the world to care or help when, as a nation, you’re not helping yourselves.
I’m not saying nobody is trying, but I am saying that looking at things at the nation-state level, you guys are going to be looked at as the enemy, and also won’t attract much outside help, if you can’t find a way to make real progress against this blatant fascism, peaceful or otherwise.
It’s a shit situation.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but if you aren’t from the US you probably don’t understand. We don’t generally have the same protections workers in other countries have. There’s no guaranteed sick days or PTO. Healthcare is usually tied to - or at least heavily subsidized by - your employment. Education has been defunded for decades. Housing costs are so high and minimum wages so low that many struggle to afford rent, let alone get onto the property ownership ladder.
On the contrary, entertainment is relatively cheap and plentiful. Even those in poverty are generally able to escape their woes temporarily with the TV or online. The system is designed to keep people helpless and complacent, and it’s been working beautifully from the perspective of the ruling class.
What this all results in is people with jobs that barely pay enough to afford to meet their basic needs, and can’t go without work because they can’t afford the risk of no healthcare or income, and aren’t inclined or educated enough to better their situations.
Oh, so that’s why so many financial fake gurus come from America. It’s the perfect audience for false hope. People are so desperate and uneducated that they’ll buy anything, even BS books and useless courses.
what is to be done?
Sorry if I’m being whooshed, but literally https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/
By design, we cannot discuss these things online without having to worry about being singled out.
So I will just say that taking your discussions about this offline is the best possible thing any American can do.
I just don’t know how the American people (I’m not including MAGA in that) expect the rest of the world to care or help when, as a nation, you’re not helping yourselves.
We are urging you to help yourselves, before it’s too late for you too. You can tut-tut us all you like for not stopping it before, but now it’s happening and it’s a problem you’re going to have to solve. Don’t think you’ll be safe if you just sit there bitching about how you’re not gonna do anything about it because we didn’t do enough.
It sure is a problem we have to solve but in no way should that or will that involve helping America.
In fact the best way we can help you is by expediting the consequences of your actions.
I could give two shits if I have to eat rice and beans for a couple of years…if it means that something will actually be done about a literal pedophile/malignant narcissist/wannabe fascist president and the political party and the electorate that are supporting him.
What a pathetic and impotent attitude. I already said it was yourselves, not us Americans, that you should be helping. For that matter, it’s not like you personally are going to do anything about it. No, that’s a job for more responsible citizens. You’re just enjoying this opportunity to laugh at a man on fire, while he’s stumbling in your direction.
The ONLY sign of resistance I have seen so far has been from Minnesotans. God bless them.
Our government is no longer within our control. If your government is still within yours, please encourage them to cease any appeasement of the trump administration.
This is a big big fucking deal and big hit to freedom here.
I can hardly believe this outcome.
How is any jury finding them guilty, deck has to be stacked because the ratio of ice supporters to nonsupporters even in Texas isn’t enough to get an average jury to vote guilty. This is coming from a guy in Oklahoma. All to need is 1 juror to hold the line.
