Ford is set to become the first to use LFP batteries in a mainstream EV in the US, starting with its $30,000 midsize pickup.
So long as Ford doesn’t botch this like they did with the lightning, it’ll be great. With the lightning, they stopped letting regular people buy the base model unless you were a fleet manager. Even then, when the dealers got the base models they were marking them up $30k over MSRP (during and shortly after covid).
Gotta love the US. Here in Canada it’s illegal to sell over MSRP. There are a TONNE of Lightnings in my area. Now when I get one will have to be used unfortunately. Really sad.
Chevy has some EV silverados that look good on paper. I’ve never seen reports on how they do in the real world though. If the minimum price wasn’t so high I’d have looked closer to replace my last truck. (maybe in a few years)
We need the Hilux BEV here.
That didn’t really stop Canadian dealers from being scummy. I saw a bunch of “used” lightnings that were ~2 mo old and had ~2,000 km on them, being sold well above MSRP.
Strange…they dropped the price on brand new ones so low a friend bought one for his household and one for his business in 23.
Strange. Several of the dealers around here had dozens of them sitting new on the lots.
Aren’t they coming out with the new lightning? Its supposed to have a gas generator onboard to extend its range up to 700 miles or like half of that when towing, which is what I heard was a major complaint on the battery only lightning
Yes. Personally, would rather have a full BEV. Don’t do any towing long distance, so don’t need the extra complexity, repair and weight of the generator.
I really don’t get why they did that. They marked up the Maverick Hybrids too and we ended up getting a more expensive Mazda rather than a Maverick because the markup was so much that the Mazda was cheaper out the door. Not even around Covid either, this was the summer of 24.
I ended up just buying a Bolt EUV '23 to give to my kids when they start driving and I’ll just wait on the used market for me to get a light duty pickup for weekend projects. I get some looks pulling a trailer with my Bolt though, lol. Besides the Bolt did give me a good idea of what EV ownership is like and what I really want on my next EV for road trips; faster fast charge. 10-97% in 9 minutes sounds like a dream compared to my 10-80% in just over an hour in my Bolt.
Yeah but later the dumped them to anyone way below MSRP. Dealers gouged everyone around 2020-22, all companies.
I was trying to buy one in Jan 2023
Look up the ID Buzz 😉
That’s the one I was talking about above. I was saying I want more of that, but like classic cars like the ‘57 Chevy Bel Air. I’d buy one in a heartbeat if they made one.
Or like could you imagine if they went backwards on the trend of giant trucks and started making smaller classic body trucks, like if they remade the ‘95 Ford Lightning or brought back the El Camino? Smaller vehicle, lighter body, further range on battery and it’d look fucking clean
How old are you? The BelAir is just a bloated Detroit tank.
Uh, VW already tried that and it flopped.
It’s because of the price. I would’ve bought one already of it didn’t cost so damn much.
Idk. I’ve seen a few, but it’s also a bus so I can see the lack of appeal. Minivans haven’t been popular for sometime. Try a more popular classic body and the reception would be wildly different.
I think it’s more likely to have flopped because it’s a $60k+ car with less range and barely faster charging than the (until recently) $20k Chevy bolt, and it’s big appeal would be road trips that it can’t competently handle. If they had sold it at a price competitive with its actual competition, e.g. other minivans, and/or if it had decent range it probably would have done better.
In Ontario, there is a 14 month waiting list for a Sienna. The only other option is the Chrysler Pacifica and people would rather wait a year than drive that turd.
You’re thinking about the VW Bus, now presented as the Buzz?
Unsurprising.
It was never about revamping the classic, in its concept, but capitalizing on nostalgia.
By contrast, Renault brought back their legendary Model 5 and regardless the car being a behemoth compared to the original, it captured and delivered a new car built on a nostalgic concept.
Oh fuck me! An all electric, or even hybrid 57 bel air? I just jizzed my pants at the idea
Basically an electric Maverick?
Sure looks like it
Just in time for BYD to start shipping sodium battery powered that are cheaper.
“Pickup”, it’s a sport cute missing some roof.
It’s needed.
It’s pointless.
I doubt you can haul a full sized fridge in a Civic. I used to know a guy with an appliance store that did his deliveries with a small truck, so this isn’t just an unlikely thing, it is real for somebody.
Give me a compact wagon like a BMW 3 series and I could. I have a compact 3 series sedan (same class size as a Civic) and I can haul a ridiculous amount of stuff with it. From over a yard of mulch to 10’ lengths of lumber/sofit/trim etc.
Oh please. 99% of pickup buyers have a desk job.
Utility van does a better job at this. Trucks are nearly pointless. No one needs a pickup.
Just last night I needed some acetylene. They made it very clear that I am not allowed to carry these tanks in an enclosed vehicle such as a van. They must be in an open air truck. Those tanks are very dangerous in the case they leak and that can kill you if they’re in a van.
Maybe this is something you never need, but this is something that is my reality.
That is debatable. Trucks work well, and for this a truck is much smaller since you don’t need to fit it inside.
Finding a small truck is hard though, they haven’t had them in the US in 20 plus years.
Trucks don’t secure loads. Trucks don’t protect from weather. Trucks don’t prevent theft.
Vans do no secure loads other. You need chains for that. Many things don’t care about weather. Vans are not hard to break into, though I will grant this. Vans don’t let the gases out if my welding cylinder leaks. Vans have height limits lower than the bridges.
Again pros and cons, both have a place
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A civic without a roof or back seats. Nice to see that option in an ev too.
Toyota needs to bring the Hilux BEV here. A real EV truck that is smaller than a full size truck.
Can’t because of the chicken tax tariff.
Looks like its still lacking a did cent sized bed. Hopefully they start giving bed/cab size options for these EVs.
It’s ridiculous. Maxxus T90 similarly only offer version with long cab and short bed. This way the manufacturers ensure that nobody whose like me and actually uses a pickup to transport stuff won’t buy it.
Just make an affordable hatchback EV what the hell I hate this country FFS.
Well ok, but I bet it won’t look like a car-of-the-future slapped together from sheet metal for a cheesy sci-fi movie.
Chevy already uses LFP batteries in their '27 EVs…
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It will have to equip engine-noise loudspeakers and an exhaust smoke generator, or it will flop miserably.
Nah, you just need big hairy electric truck nuts.
