Can I move that money to another account or divest it from index funds or something? Please help, the stock market is scary and confusing.
Honestly if your 401k is wiped out by “the inevitable crash”, having cash on hand is probably not going to save you from whatever you’re afraid of. If the line machine stops producing line-go-up entirely, we’re going to look back at this post* like the meme of the astronauts hitting the earth and going, “Oh shit, the economy!!!”
*assuming one of us remembers to print it out on nuclear-warfare-resistant stock
Also, if the stock market goes backwards in a major way, well… it does that regularly, and then eventually goes back up. Don’t chicken little a lifetime investment if you aren’t anywhere near withdrawal age, unless you literally need to eat the money now. In which case, fuck it.
Basically chill and work on building mutually reinforcing connections and support within your community.
Depending on your company or your company’s 401k manager, you might be able to shift to treasury bonds or something somewhat more stable. But, if you’re more than 10 years from retirement age it kind of doesn’t matter, unless we actually see the end of western capitalist supremacy, in which case your 401k is screwed regardless of what you do. Most 401k’s shift investments based on how far you are from retirement age, so in your 20’s it’s in the riskiest investments and in your late 50’s early 60’s it shifts to the most stable investments.
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For me its much simpler. I go, “Should I save?” And then I go, “Oh, right. I don’t have any money anyway. Haha.”
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Now run the heuristic again but with “save” meaning “investing in China” 😉 it gets a little rosier
(This is not financial advice everyone should just DCA into VT in a 401k and a Roth IRA and a brokerage account in that order and call it a day)
Before you make any changes, give this a read. Time in the market beats timing the market. Obviously everyone’s situation is unique, but unless you’re currently nearing retirement age it’s likely that simply doing nothing and continuing to buy the market will serve you the best in the long run.
“Don’t do something, just stand there!”
That’s the neat part, you don’t! The only way to get through it is to not need any of that money and wait for “the market” to recover, if it ever does
how shelf stable are drugs?
Leave it in the index funds if you’re more than 10 years away from needing it for retirement. You can use target funds to automatically dial back the risk as you get closer to retirement. But if you’re awhile away from retirement, they’ll be invested in stocks anyhow.
There’s a decent chance that it will get cut in half at some point, and then rebound. And it will rebound because the people who have the power to shape the direction of society will guarantee that asset prices stay high, even if it fucks up a lot of other stuff in the process. And so weirdly, your 401k and IRA investments are probably one of the safer ways you can store any accumulated wealth for the long run.
If the line does not go up long term, that’s probably an indication of a fundamental crisis in capitalism, and all bets are off. But I don’t think it’s wise to count on that, for better or worse.
How do I keep my 40k safe from corruption by the Warp?
The Emperor protects
Depending on who manages it, you can adjust it to be more “conservative” and invest in more stable stocks and treasury bonds. You can also open an IRA and roll the 401K into that.
What’s your current allocation by investment type or fund? What is your age range?
I moved most of mine to an ex-US fund that’s offered by my 401k plan, but even that is going to take a large hit when the bubble pops. My concern is that the U.S. market has been propped up by enormous government expenditures into R&D that are no longer happening, so I was leery of just standing pat. But I plan to simply ride out the crash while continuing to toss money in from every check, which I believe is the safest, most sensible way to go about it, for a long-term investor.
Comrade Lenin of Russia,
Asleep in a marble tomb,
Move over, Comrade Lenin,
And give my 401k some room
You need to go onto the website or call the managing company to see what funds you can invest in. Usually there’s a limited number of funds on offer and they are usually pretty conservative so i wouldn’t worry too much.
Money market funds are common
“That’s the neat part, you don’t.”It’s really hard to say. Despite being obviously doomed for a good while now, USian stock have given some of the most reliable returns. Might be something about being a very capitalist society.
If you can afford it, and depending on how much you are worried about losing, talking to a fiduciary financial advisor may be your best answer. I’m not a financial advisor. Most financial advisors would likely caution against doing any of the following.
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If you have a legitimate hardship you can prove or are buying a house first time you may have options to make a penalty free withdrawal. Hopefully it will make your hardship less of a hassle or get you a home.
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It’s not for everyone but you could consider, if your 401k plan/employer allows, taking a loan out against a portion of your 401K that would be garnished from your paycheck until the loan is paid back. There may be a fee. The obvious trade off is your cash you take out isn’t growing your account. And you’d risk having to pay the loan balance back in full within 30 days if your employer lays you off or fires you or else you’d have to pay taxes on the loan as income for the year and it would likely be treated like an early disbursement with 10% federal tax on top.
If it’s $10k you take out, that’s $10k that doesn’t get wiped out in a market crash. You can do anything you want with it. Buy beans and rice, get an EV or some porch solar, a heat pump, fix up your living space, buy a PS5 and a gun, whatever. With these plans you typically set the duration which impacts how much your monthly payment/garnishment would be. And while you’re paying interest on the loan, you’re paying that interest back to yourself as you’re putting money back into the 401k.
I’d probably really only recommend this option if you can easily afford to eat the potential tax hit, repay the loan back on short notice with no sweat, already have a project in mind like installing solar that would meaningfully improve your life to spend the money on that you’d have to borrow anyways, or… if having the cash in a bank account would legitimately give you piece of mind. There is something to be said for knowing you can pay rent during an extended downturn. But losing hypothetical money in a market crash isn’t as real as additional tax burden if you do have to pay this back, so it is a real risk.
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Finally, as others have said, your can reallocate your positions to bonds. Again, you’re not really making money with bonds, but treating a 401K like a glorified savings account with some tax advantages doesn’t seem unreasonable in these unreasonable times.











