Over the past months it has become increasingly apparent that the 196 moderation team has a member who does not align with the goals and values of the rest of the team.
196 has a very clear stance on tankies and other authoritarians. No authoritarian apologia of any kind is allowed in our space. It’s not our intent to tell leftists how to be leftist, but we’re not willing to allow somebody we so fundamentally disagree with to moderate our community.
Based on this stance we’ve decided to remove Kittenzrulz from the moderation team.
Kittenzrulz has consistently been opposed to the condemnation of tankies and has made several worrying statements that show that there’s a deep ideological gulf between her and 196.
Furthermore it should be noted that kittenzrulz has not taken part in moderation decisions on lemmy for months, while she is only somewhat active on the matrix (as a mod). This will not be a major change in that sense.
The following is a list of screenshots that should help to showcase what we mean.
Collection of based statements
This one is from yesterday
First to be clear we’re not banning her from the lemmy community or the matrix space and she is free to continue to interact with all of us. We still want her around as we think of her as a friend who we care about and want to see happy and healthy, though we understand this decision might cause kittenz some stress.
As of this moment kittenzrulz is no longer a mod of 196. A vote was held and all mods that voted voted in favor of demoderation, with a few mods abstaining (either due to not having an opinion on this or due to being inactive).
And just to make sure everybody is on the same page, this is not a condemnation of kittenz as a person. People can disagree on things and still get along, we’re just not comfortable letting her make decisions on our behalf and want to prevent any further problems we see as a likely outcome.
I can’t stand libbed out moralist attempts to talk history because it’s just oh
was a bad person oh 
was a bad person DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPTION OF EVENTS beyond a judgement derived from believe it or not your experiences, material interests, propagandization? Have you seriously investigated this? Why do you have to talk in thought terminating cliches? Good thing the Fourth Reich is not morally compromised 
ah its not something to pay much mind to they’re dime a dozen(This is your brain on liberal ideology)
If “authoritarian” means:
- Mass incarceration of minorities
- Concentration camps
- Political repression of dissent
- Surveillance state
- State violence against marginalized people
Then the United States is authoritarian. Full stop. It has been since its founding. The only difference is that it holds elections between two parties that both agree on empire, and it calls this “democracy.” America is a white supremacist empire that uses elections to legitimize genocide and mass incarceration. Its “democracy” is a branding exercise. Resisting it isn’t authoritarian — the empire itself is the authoritarianism. And if you’re still doing “but China” whataboutism while kids in Gaza are being starved and protesters in the US are getting put on blacklists by their own universities, you’re not serious about liberation. You’re just a lib with a Harry Potter understanding of politics.
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“two things can be bad at once sweaty” locked and loaded to reply to anything like this
If two things are bad, then moral responsibility demands you oppose the greater harm committed by the more powerful actor. ‘Both sides’ isn’t a position as it’s an abdication dressed up as wisdom. You’re not being nuanced, you’re being complicit with a thesaurus.
Or
You’re right. You being a coward and a genocide apologist are two bad things happening at once.
If two things are bad, then moral responsibility demands you oppose the greater harm committed by the more powerful actor. ‘Both sides’ isn’t a position as it’s an abdication dressed up as wisdom. You’re not being nuanced, you’re being complicit with a thesaurus.
Isn’t that the argument they make for voting for Dems?
They forget the lesser harm principle whenever it’s time to root for nonwhite people and conveniently remember it again when it’s time to genocide them
They are coming from a shitty western liberal framework who would justify it. The democratic Party doesn’t oppose the greater harm as it manages it and i’m being a debate pervert. It’s the entire imperialist apparatus that requires both parties to function as the US is a single-party capitalist state with two right wings. Voting is not going to end the empire.
You’re not being nuanced, you’re being complicit with a thesaurus.
LLM-ass line
Im guilty
The first step in improvement is acknowledgement
One of them did basically that when a Chinese poster called the copypasta spammer out, then used that to downplay the racism of the how the copypasta is used.
whataboutism 
What about jizzm
Regarding some of the Discourse:
This shouldn’t have been an announcement. Its fine to remove moderators and enforce standards within the team, but you can handle these situations gracefully and quietly. The exact individual makeup of the mod team isn’t relevant to most of 196’s visitors, especially in this case where you claim this won’t be a major change to moderation.
It seems disingenuous to claim this isn’t a condemnation when you’re dumping screenshots and pinning this post for maximum visibility. I agree with many here that transparency is important, but similar to modlogs, this should be posted somewhere those interested can find it rather than shouted from the rooftops.
You can and should separate amicability without involving all of us.
oh i’m actually a fan of giving explanations for mod decisions.
I hate when people give these glib, quippy “refutations” that completely ignore what the other person said:
this should be posted somewhere those interested can find it rather than shouted from the rooftops.
It’s complete bad faith to reply as though the comment was opposing giving an explanation. What it was opposing was completely correct, which is that the pretense of the mods being amicable and magnanimous is completely ridiculous when they have pinned this list of indiscretions by KR, citing a “wide ideological gulf” and basically accusing them of being a red fascist. It’s public shaming while pretending to be the bigger person.
I have no issue with public shaming (of a sort), but pretending that that isn’t what you are doing is pathetic and cowardly.
💯 agree on all points. Not surprised in the least. @kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com fuck them kids. You are too cool for them.
as always fuck 196You are personally a mod of a comm that enforces a specific rule against the specific thing done to get removed as a moderator here. .
Edit: literally less than 10 minutes ago a mod team of which you are part enforced this rule
Thank you for making me aware of that, I have restored the thread.
Expelling centuries old jewish communities is good, actually /s
Nothing new under 196.
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God, I’d forgotten what a bunch of self righteous shitheels they are, legitimately the worst com on the fediverse
even if the fucks in the
cianasdap were involved, and to some degree they were, it doesn’t automatically make the entiremovementgerman people fascisthehe. I bet these people cry about dresdon, and ask concerned questions about a Islamic migrants.
Also cowbee is there so you know it’s made up
Our boy continues to live rent-free in liberals’ heads.
We need a Spectre of Cowbee emoji
Yeah, but you really get at them, so we should commemorate your actions with a special one
Maybe put your pfp inside the little house
Haha, I appreciate it but I don’t think the attitudes towards me in particular warrant an emoji for me in particular, they are general attitudes towards communists. I’m not unique in that.
You’re both a cow and a bee, I’d say that’s pretty unique.
we could freeroll one from an emoji mashup site
edit: if you milk a cow-bee do you get honey?
But… pfp dog???
Dog cute
Fair, lol
No, but I bet it will honk them off pretty good either way
That and it’s a small reward for fighting the good fight on the other instances
It would be really funny as just a stock response every time someone whines about him.
Like his very own ppb
Eggxactly
Catching strays, lmao
In a nutshell:
Based mod says “Left unity”.
All the liberals respond with: “The only unity we will have is with fascism”
Kittenzrulz’s mistake here is introducing nuance into topics liberals demand absolute black and white positions on. Most of these nuance takes are pretty reasonable if you know the subject matter and the developments since, but liberals neither know the subject matter nor the developments and their entire understand of all of these events boils down to
If you step away from the liberal canonised history in their heads which is based entirely on popular belief rather than facts they immediately freak the fuck out
Liberals reserve nuance for when America bombs brown people
they knew that hospital in Kunduz was there, it was just a mistake
Thinking on it, it’s incredible timing as everyone is going on about how the tesseract saga has united everyone only for 196 to pick the perfect moment to do their best to show they suck
Talking to family about Ukraine be like:
I think kittenzrulz would be welcomed as a guest here on the other side of the wall as a political defector from the liberal extremists in the 196 regime to the free Federation of the United Left.
Your comment made me feel like making this.
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If I had an account over there I’d post that and see how many people unironically support it
It’d be good agitprop to share it in the various federated meme communities, with link to the context in this post. @edie@lemmy.encryptionin.space do you want to share it over there?
You can. I’m not gonna.
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Gotcha.
Edit to say you can.
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Unfortunately my Lemmy.ml account is banned by Lemmy.blahaj.zone, so this wouldn’t actually have the intended effect. The mod/admin team banned me back when PJ had Rimu ban me from Piefed.Social, feddit.org, etc.
When I post it, do you want me to credit you? Just asking since idk if your cool with the potential heat from being credited as the author of the agitprop meme.
“aggression”
I’m loling out loud
I always wonder if any of these people, many who claim to be on the left, have ever actually been to a gathering of a genuine socialist organisation or political party.
If you show up and start going off about “tankies” and “authoritarians”, you’d be laughed at. Ditto if you claim to support socialism but also hate every socialist state to have ever existed.
If you think liberal democracy and western hegemony are fine, then so be it. But stop being dishonest about what you really are and what you really believe.
It’s like they love the aesthetic and rhetoric of socialism but become uncomfortable when it gets too radical. Reeks of pure idralism.
Unfortunately this isn’t entirely true. If you go to most DSA chapters you would absolutely be told to avoid tankies and authoritarians by some of their members. Ive seen it first hand, including from chapter leadership
Are the DSA a genuine socialist organisation though? They don’t strike me as being any more radical than your typical European social democratic party.
Ah yeah well if you put it like that, in the US there is only like one “genuine” socialist organization lol
I wouldn’t call DSA a genuine socialist org at large but many here would disagree
Most charitably I can say that there’s an ideological struggle between reform and revolution, and between staying with the DNC or breaking from it. Those are the two largest conversations in the DSA based on friends that are in it.
Ditto if you claim to support socialism but also hate every socialist state to have ever existed.
I genuinely regret to inform you that this is a somewhat popular position in America, except that you do like some “socialist states” and they are Nordic social democracies.
What’s impressive here is how tame kittenzrulz’ comments are. They sound like someone just dipping their toes into socialism and doing some reading, with plenty of DemSoc and liberal framings and word choices, but because they are rejecting outright anticommunist falsehoods and historical revisionism they are branded “tankie” and censured.
Authoritarian reactionary tendencies.
watching db0 get thrown into tankie pop for not toeing the liberal line
Endlessly entertaining to see Trots and anarchists receive the tankie label
Funny especially since db0 appear not to have received that memo yet given their response.
All this does, in practice, is push people to further explore our views.
I found hexbear during the brief blahaj.zone federation and switched over when it defederated.
Oh nice!
You chose well
Absolutely. I had a similar experience when I first found chapo back on reddit. It was really eye opening seeing how staunch people were about shutting down any attempt at doing the tiniest self reflection that I had only just starting to engage in my self. All it did was convince me that libs are unhinged and those they call “tankies” are usually right.
Many such cases!
these people base their entire political alignment around opposing what they see as “authoritarian” but can they define it better than “any use of state power I don’t like”?
- Thanos = authoritarian
- Avengers = not authoritarian
Hope that helps.
Is that before or after they did civil war though? 🤔
Avengers are civilised anti-authoritarians which is why their war was called that.
But the authoritian half won it?
Sorry but I don’t know enough about the movie to continue this bit
That was the last bit I had to say on it 😂
They only know of authority due to its exercise as a boot of capitol. They cannot picture authority ever being wielded on their behalf. Surely the USSR could never be trying to make its citizens’ lives better. Surely China could never be trying to make its citizens’ lives better. They hate the state because they do not know themselves.
I don’t even think their thought process is that developed. They don’t recognize the systemic violence of the police state and carceral machine as authoritarian. This is fully abstract to them. When abuses of power are so egregious that they actually make the news, they consider it incidental. As far as Liberals are concerned, the purpose of a system is not what it does, but what it’s charter says. You could have death camps scattered all across the country, but as long as it is done under the aegis of “the department of justice,” they will be more concerned that the image of all these crematoria are undermining the institution’s mission.
As far as Liberals are concerned, the purpose of a system is not what it does, but what it’s charter says.
I think this also often isn’t true in the context you’re speaking of. The charter is only authoritative if they already sided with the institution or if the charter says what they view as bad things. If they have decided the organization or country is bad but the charter says what they view as good things, then and only then the charter is a lie.
Edit: and if they like the institution but the charter says bad things, then it’s just irrelevant, see the US Constitution.
capitalism breaks the part of your brain that lets you imagine good things
Authoritarianism is when the CIA doesn’t approve of it. Liberalism is when the CIA does approve of it. I don’t know what’s so complicated about that
- Voldemort = authoritarian
- Harry Potter = not authoritarian
Hope that helps. 👍
There are people in that community who genuinely send vaush clips as arguments. It’s rotten
Oh, the pedophile who accidentally shared horse porn on a stream? They sound like lovely people
Ok no, you guys don’t get it, HE’S the horse! That makes it ok! /joke
Of course they’re white supremacist pedo lovers
Like Kittensrulz isn’t defending any deaths or civilian casualties. It’s a past event, and either there was a truth and reconciliation board or everyone involved is dead or in their last months of life. Just pointing out that the uprising did not automatically mean that the following government would have been any better to it’s people; I think KRz comments would be considered a very neutral tone if this wasn’t one of those things liberals think is black and white.
But I welcome Kittenrulz to the former mod club. It’s way better for your mental health.
