theyre scared of doing their own art because they risk being ridiculed for mediocre tehnique. they vent to chatgpt because theyre afraid of being rejected in early friendships and just want someone to say they love them. they dont go to therapy because 9 dollars a month is way cheaper than 800 dollars. they use AI chatbots for sex because theyre afraid of the very real risks of sex and dont feel like they can get it with a real person. we used to vent online but now post pandemic you risk your shit being posted on a commentary channel blasted to millions of people in your most vulnerable times.
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i think it’s just because AI is widely available and you just press a button.
I know a guy who got his NSFW art account exposed and tied to his IRL name by Kiwifarms, who immediately came to employers in his field with the information to try to get him blacklisted. Luckily, as far as I know, this didn’t succeed.
I wouldn’t recommend anyone turn to AI for this stuff, but I can also understand how it could end up seeming the least bad poison.
this is why workers rights are important, your boss really shouldnt care about your gooning
There gets to be a point where KiwiFarms can’t call themselves the cool kids anymore. They’re literally the self-righteous hall monitors of the internet.
How is this not cancel culture?
“Oh golly gee willikers. Someone drew something unwholesome in their own page! Someone ruin his life! Think of the children! We’re just model citizens standing up for good wholesome family values.”
They never were the cool kids, they were always losers acting like they were tough because they could talk shit and not get hit.
Every last one of those fuckers needs to be fed into a woodchipper for what they did to Near
Connections or failure isn’t really accessible in large parts of the world. It doesn’t help that there’s the occasional story of an orphan who lost his entire family and his uncle turned out to be Satan himself, he had to walk 20 kilometers to school and survive with no electricity for years, yet despite all that he managed to become a millionaire, all by himself, so anyone can!
So it makes a lot of sense to me why a lot of people are turning for AI. How many people actually want to interact with maladaptive individuals? That’s the job of a therapist and they’re not really accessible, as I mentioned earlier. If someone can’t access treatment chances are they’ll make a lot of mistakes and those mistakes will define them, because that’s what people are. Most people will see you as the person they got to know you as, no matter how much you change. If they got to know you as someone unappealing the ship is sailed. Changing communities is often inaccessible to lots of people as well, it’s so easy to judge a homeless drifter, but unless you’ve been on the receiving end most people have no clue how brutal and cold-hearted the world is.
It’s one of the reasons I really wish someday we’ll have socialism, there’s lots of people nobody gives a shit about. If someone isn’t a good victim then their suffering is a-okay, some will even laugh at them and mock them, because if the person is not a good victim guess we can dehumanize them, as a treat.
dog i use it to speed up searching for stuff and doing translation locally. i dont spend money on it.
if youre on this app and subscribe to a socialist worldview then i hope you can understand that when you use something for free you are the product (unless you use a socialist AI model)
i run chinese models locally. there is no way for them to make money off me. i even run my own searxng mcp-server instance with tor added. theres zero way for anything to be tracked or profited from.
I’m curious what model you run and on what hardware?
qwen 3.6 35b a3b, 2k usd custom build computer from 2-3 years ago with about 80gb cumulative vram/ram that was partially paid for by my employer. i do nondescript science™️ for my job. its pretty useful for dredging the internet for sources, especially sources that would be normally inaccessible to me because i dont speak the language the paper is in. my previous computer was falling to bits (nearly 20 years old, i hope i can make this one go that far) so i needed a good one anyways.
How on earth do you have 80 gigs of VRAM?
cumulative, i only have ~12gb vram
Oh, I see. So, I have 44gb cumulative ram, 12gb VRAM and 32gb “regular”.
I was hoping there was some magical way to improve my 4070ti (not super).
this model can be compressed to as low as 12 gigs (though I wouldn’t recommend going that low due to a huge quality drop). And not all of this kind of model has to reside in vram - you can have most of it in ram and the rest gets cached in vram
I’m curious, can the model fill your whole VRAM or do you have to leave extra space for the actual, you know, whatever it’s doing? Like, could you actually do anything with the 12gb model if you only have 12 GB of VRAM?
qwen 3.6 35b
Nice, I recently got this thing running on an igpu at 20 tok/sec token generation, it’s surprisingly capable. Seems to be the best MoE model of it’s size. I’ll soon be getting a gpu server (dual rtx 5060ti 16gig), so I’m excited to see how fast it can go
its an extremely capable model at this size. i think most of the effort must be spent on miniaturizing models, as the smaller they get the more useful they become
socialist AI model
china isnt socialist cause they make llms
Oh that’s not what I’m saying at all. I fully suppot the Alibaba Corporation and their socialist stochastic text generators
Do you realize that socialists aren’t obligated to be in favor of something just because Xi is?
he was saying ai models cannot be made in a socialist way. the leader of the largest communist party on earth endorses their open development for the automation of the economy. these two statements are incongruent if you think china is doing things correctly.
Nah, AI users just see AI as a means to an end and think the piss-poor results of what comes out to be worth the little effort they spend prompting it. You can see it in the way every single small business has embraced AI to make ads for their crappy business. They could spend 2 hours making a shitty forgettable poster or they could spend 2 minutes prompting AI to make an even shittier poster. Their rationale is that they only have to spend 1/60 of the time to make the poster while the poster isn’t 60x shittier than making the poster themselves.
except for the first one, which is some self-awareness i can respect, those sure are massive social problems we should kill some billionaires about.
The first one is not respectable self-awareness. Being technically bad is not itself a reason not to do one’s own art, and is the only way to become good.
it depends what the goal is. I know i can’t make 2d art so i just don’t try to make things that need 2d art. i don’t need to go on some journey of trying to get good at some skill i have no aptitude for
Setting aside a few assumptions there, consider also that art can have purpose beyond being technically sound (art is defined first by expression, not skill), and if you really want “well-made” art that badly then just pay or barter with an artist instead of using the plagiarism machine.
just pay or barter with an artist
“just”
instead of using the plagiarism machine.
or scope your project so that you can create within your means and ability.
it’s not self-awareness, it’s fear. which is understandable, but this is the worst way to deal with that fear
you’re gonna make some crap on the way to making something you’re proud of, the point is making it
Im not one of these folks who thinks therapy is gonna solve everything for everyone…WITH THAT SAID.
Its probably true that a metric fuckton of people could profit from therapy in some ways. ( I include myself in the group of people who could profit from therapy)
how is it self awareness to think that your own art is shit and take criticism so personally to the point you dont even create it at all? so much self hating is normalized as ”self awareness”
if you know you’re bad you shouldn’t try to do stuff (besides learning). prod isn’t the place to test.
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i have a middleschool understanding of carpentry. should i:
a) offer to do my neighbor’s cabinets
b) not take on a task i’m incapable of completing with any quality in a reasonable timeframe
thats on the same level at all as art? a way of self expression? please quit seeing art this way, its puritanical and gross
don’t fucking put down joinery. that shit is hard and takes a lot of skill, and designing door inlays and shit is just as artistic as line drawing or whatever narrow definition of art you have.
self expression is not the same as the allegory you had there
