The US Army’s Apache helicopters are crashing at a historically high rate amid a widespread problem with the model’s transmission, according to a CNN analysis of military accident data.

The helicopter type has experienced five major crashes since October, and a deadly mishap earlier this month in Texas killed two soldiers, sparked a wildfire and led the Army to temporarily bar Apache pilots from conducting routine training flights. With that crash, fiscal year 2026 is on pace to be the second worst for Apache flight accidents since a new model of the AH-64 was rolled out in 2011.

The Army announced that the pause in training flights, which exempted units deployed to the Middle East, ended Wednesday.

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    That’s what happens when you put some dipshit who thinks militaries should be only “warriors” when all of history tells you successful militaries are logistics engines first and foremost

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    Once upon a time I would find this sad because USA was an ally defending democracy and freedom, or at least so I thought.
    But honestly today, I don’t give a shit.

    Fuck USA.

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          America sided with the defense in both world wars and Korea. For much of the 20th Century America was the good guys who defended democracy in other countries. Then Nixon and neoliberalism turn America into what it is today. But the US was good.

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            So good that, for example, in 1954 Eisenhower’s CIA overthrew democratically elected Guatemalan president Jacobo Árbenz.

            Let’s also not forget the 1953 Iranian coup d’état.

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              1954 Eisenhower’s CIA overthrew democratically elected Guatemalan president Jacobo Árbenz

              Also Eisenhower’s assassination of Patrice Lumumba in the Congo.

              It always cracks me up when people quote his warning about the industrial war complex. It’s like a guy who just mugged you then warns you afterwards that the alley you walked down is really dangerous… Thanks I guess?

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                Wasn’t that speech essentially an expression of regret and admission that he did the wrong thing? That was always the impression I got anyway, and what gives his words even more weight.

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            sided with the defense in both world wars and Korea

            Eh… Defense doesn’t = good guys, especially when considering Korea. The government in South Korea was basically a war crimes machine being driven by an evil dictator.

            Then Nixon and neoliberalism turn America into what it is today. But the US was good.

            So long as you ignore the entirety of the southern hemisphere. It’s hard to claim they really cared about democracy when they overthrew several democracies in Africa and centra/south america just to install fascist dictators.

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              The government in South Korea was basically a war crimes machine being driven by an evil dictator.

              So… like the North?

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                Incomparably worse at the time. The living standard, quality of life, and access to political representation was all much much better in North Korea before the war.

                Before and during the war the South Korean government was responsible for the vast majority of all warcrimes. Starting with the Jeju island uprising, where the South killed anywhere from 40-80k of its own citizens after they organized a general strike. It was one of the main events that precipitated the north invading.

                Around 2-3 million civilians were killed during the Korean war, over 80% were killed by the South Korean/American government.

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            You do realize that Native Americans didn’t have the right to vote until the 1970s right? Even in the 20th century America was not a bastion of democracy, and that’s glossing over the Trail of Tears and the whole slavery thing from the previous centuries…

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              Some people just like eating turds. The america good crowd like eating their turds and they gonna pay for it. for sure

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            America entered late in both world wars and in both cases only entered to protect US capitalists’ interests. D Day literally only happened because capitalists wanted to occupy Western Europe before the Soviets could liberate everyone.

            In Korea, the US worked to prevent the communists from liberating their country from the hyper capitalists who were oppressing their country. Revolutions don’t happen unless things are very bad, and the US stepped in on the side of very bad.

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            You’ve been fed some horseshit dichotomy of good guy vs bad guy when nothing could be further from the truth. The world doesn’t work on such simple terms, and america is responsible for destabilizing much of central and south american democracies under the pretense of defending against communism since the end of WW2. The US was never good.

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              The book of history never closes no war ever ends. No war but the class war. Reform is a time out so the fascist can regroup and try their tyrannical shit over again. All liberal forms of pascification/reform is meant to get you to let down the gaurd just so they can steam roll your ass later on. There has been no human progress at all and this statement will become real to you once the limp dicked cheese burger king drops a nuke of civilians. Your god means nothing to me. Christains are gross. That is all.

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            Iran contra scandal anyone? Kidnapping the democratically elected Venezuelan president in 2025 anyone? Illegitimate Iraq war anyone? The list is almost endless

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            South Korea was a military junta at that time. Can you explain how you feel that is defending democracy?

            Can you also explain how you feel the world wars were about democracy? Democratic levels on both sides of the wars were roughly even

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            The same fucking familes run things and what is today was a plan from a long time ago. You got gaps son. You got to be some kind of boomer to say some stupid shit like that. Possible a gen X shit eater or a child going through puberty. Not fully developed possibly.

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            side note… You got anymore of those hard drugs. Whatever you smoking is LOUD. You should share. What you said right there is stupid so I am downvoting the shit out of your stupid ass comment. I can tell you don’t read books.

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        Here in the grand ole USA we defend concepts even higher than the ideal of democracy first and foremost. Fruit companies. Oil. Shareholder value. HOO-RAH!

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        We straight up installed dictators and over threw democracies all over the world in the fight against communism because they decided to vote in more left leaning politicians.

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        I’m very well aware of the failings of the US, but to claim that the US has “never, ever” been on the side of the “good guys” is manifestly false. Specifically: WW2.

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          WW2

          You’re gonna hate to learn they needed to be paid-off to get into that conflict. “But but but mercenaries for the good guys that time” doesn’t hit so hard.

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          I just watched a cute little YT video, Satan’s Guide to the Bible, that addressed the made up origin story of Israel (among other things) that is openly taught in credible Divinity Schools, that pastors just… ignore when preaching. And I get it, because the mobs would “leave not one alive.” But it is very sad how we cling so tightly to our myths without the ability to acknowledge that’s all they are, while allowing them to dictate ethos and government.

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          It is a totally ambiguous example. The US under Truman partnered with the Vatican to save almost 10k Nazis from trial and spread them all over the US sphere of influence with protection, money, jobs, property, etc. and then it immediately took over imperial Japan’s holding of Korea, established a fascist military dictatorship, and killed a million civilians in the North. Around the same time it protected the KMT in the province of Taiwan during the White Terror wherein the KMT established a fascist government that killed tens of thousands of civilians for political control.

          It’s completely ambiguous whether or not the US was fighting for freedom or liberty.

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    This is what an un-audited military gets you. Auditing the pentagon’s budget is a matter of serious national security. If they don’t submit to one, they are not defending the nation so should be completely defunded.

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    Genuinely the recent sci-fi trope where the current wave of human civilisation simply sputters to a halt because all the technology is too complicated and unrepairable with built-in obsolescence and all operational knowledge tied up within itself

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    Did somebody stupid cut servicing checks, along with healthcare, environment and essential checks.

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    The reason the Taliban didn’t bother trying to use US helicopters and other advanced equipment left in Afghanistan, was that the required maintenance wasn’t just expensive, it required a robust supply infrastructure.

    The entire US military has massive supply issues, and the idiots running it will keep destroying very expensive equipment and risking the lives of service members because they’re not acknowledging the supply issues.

    No one wants to put ten toes down and say “that can’t fly”.

    Because all the high up officers who won’t just tell trump what he wants, resigned to protect their pensions.

    They’re all cowards and this is on their hands as much as the yes men who stayed in.

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      I think Americans are starting to realize Trump see us as entirely disposable.

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        It’s not that, it’s the same shit as what happened to the Soviet military.

        It’s nothing but grifters and yes men, so “on paper” doesn’t match reality.

        Like inventory sheet says 100 helicopters that have been getting a million dollars of maintenance a month. But in reality you got 50 “good enough” and 50 that literally can’t fly. You can’t admit that, so the 50 do double duty flights, still not getting maintenance even tho the government is paying for all 100 to be serviced.

        The “good enoughs” could be brought up to working order, but instead the problem is hid, and they crash totalling them out and people die. Everytime it happens, it increases the odds of happening again.

        This isn’t just something that can be fixed on day 1. It’s a rot deep inside the military because everyone not doing it at a high level resigned.

        Now we got to push everyone still in out, and replace them.

        That takes decades at this level, because new officers need to raise their the ranks, and good people won’t join till the image recovers.

        Whether it’s for better or worse we’ll have to wait and see, but the days of global American military precense won’t be back for 20 years at least.

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        Everyone has already realised that long time ago, except for the usual third of the population. And they aren’t realising shit.

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    Let me guess, AI decided to extend certain maintenance schedules and the wrenches who know better were ordered to go along with it.

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    I’m picturing the selection process for pilots to be the same as Battlefield games where it’s first person to get in the vehicle.

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      Also, for some reason I assume the Air Force uses the Klingon system for promotions. If you can kill your superior officer, it’s perfectly legal. And you get their position. Only the strong survive in the US Air Force.

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    A lot of comments on here didn’t read the article and/or simply don’t know how aviation or military aviation works.
    Some blaming the current administration even though the article notes a slightly higher accident rate in 2024. The current model Helicopter was fielded in 2011, and the article doesn’t mention when the transmission issues began.
    This could be a maintenance problem, a Boeing problem. Is Boeing or an army subcontractor rebuilding the transmissions?
    I just did inspections on some gearboxes because the incorrect self-locking nuts were used. I’ve seen a series of accidents caused by o-rings made out of spec internal to hydraulic servos. I remember NASA killing a crew due to o-ring issues. I remember a few decades ago Airbus had a series of helicopter accidents where the main rotors detached due to a gear in the main transmissions being hardened incorrectly. Before all that De Haviland Comets were coming apart in air due to metal fatigue.

    We should be concerned with the reaction to and correction of the issues. The Army has grounded training flights, which they should. Not long ago the V-22 fleet was grounded for like a year while clutch failures were investigated.

    Just because YOU’VE only just heard of an issue doesn’t mean it hasn’t been a long standing issue nor that it’s the fault of whoever is in charge right now. We need more information before we start finger pointing.

    Though Boeing has been on a downhill trend since the McDonald Douglas takeover.

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    Sure, we’ll stop supporting affirmative action and pretend that firing anyone who wasn’t us was a good idea. It’s not like being a mechanic requires a certain degree of oddball tendencies, and going out of our way to punish oddballs definitely won’t come back to bite us.

    Sabotage? What’s that?

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      I support this message. Ignore the empty-headed uncritical moralizing from the other comment. These helicopters are weapons of genocide and colonialism, the people flying them understand their function. You shouldn’t feel burdened and shunned for writing down what most of us are already feeling, and that feeling is not ultimately in conflict with a universal respect for all life.

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      This is a horrible take. You really should think better. I get we are all mad at this regime, but damn dude.