Torontonians are excited by the possibility of moving to the EU, even if it is unlikely anytime soon.
And also some europeans dream of living in a canada that has more european values HINT HINT. I already live in scandinavia but the far north of america is just so unique. If i could move and get a job there like in any other eu country itd be soooo cool
I support you living in Canada!
I for one would welcome some more European influence in regards to infrastructure and city planning. A good chunk of Canadian infrastructure could use more beauty in how it’s designed and maintained. Don’t get me wrong we have a few nice streets here or there, but even the nice streets could use some more love as well.
Some few examples which look even better in person.
While this is what I see 90% of Canada as.
More bike pedestrian and transit friendly cities, that actually look cool
There’s nothing quite as elbows up in defending Canada as getting excited about the possibility of leaving. Have seen plenty of such cognitive dissonance among vocal nationalists now excited at the potential of living in Europe. Not a comment on the potential policy itself, but it makes me laugh a bit every time I see someone who has been vigorously flag waving suddenly excited about moving to Europe.
I personally have never experienced Elbows Up as nationalism, but as a response to nationalism.
I still buy Mexican produce, sometimes I buy French jam. I’m more likely to buy a German product that’s more expensive if the only other option is American. I’m buying more from a diversity of places than I was 5 years ago. I don’t want to be isolationist, I just don’t want one nation in particular to be a dick to us.
So from my perspective it’s never been nationalism. I’d also be interested in doing Europe stuff, since I’m not traveling to the States anymore, no dissonance required.
That’s fair. I see a lot of what I would consider nationalism, which I also think is natural in a case where people feel threatened by a force from outside, but it’s not everyone.
I mean this goes both ways though too, there will be an influx of EU residents moving to Canada. Flow of peoples and ideas is a good thing.
You’re responding to something quite different from what I wrote, which was a comment on people being flag-waving nationalists while also being excited to leave. But, on the points you raise, while I agree that flow of peoples and ideas is a good thing, I’ll also just point out that we had a lot of flow of peoples and ideas in already existing immigration policies until very recently. Is it just great that we’re cutting back on the flow of peoples and ideas from places like Asia while opening the flow to more people and ideas from Europe? Seems awfully reminiscent of the demands made by the US for a pivot back to embracing Western Civilization and keeping out those other people and their ideas.
The issue is that you’re conflating patriotism with nationalism. Patriotism is loving your country while nationalism is thinking your country is superior to other countries. You can live and work in another country while still loving the country you came from. But if you believe your country is superior to other countries it would be hypocritical to want to go to another country.
So you are correct to think that wanting to go to the EU doesn’t align with nationalism. What you’re missing is that Canadians aren’t being nationalistic, we’re being patriotic. We’re against the US because the US is trying to assert dominance over our country, and that’s an existential threat to something we love. Elbows up is a reaction to that threat.
The EU on the other hand is not an existential threat to Canada. In fact a partnership with the EU will make both Canada and the EU more resilient against external threats to both. The EU doesn’t want us to stop being Canadian, and the very nature of the EU is multicultural and multilingual, so a Canadian could live and work there while being respected as a Canadian. This may not be the case in other parts of the world.
You’re also thinking the immigration policy is about some nationalistic cultural thing. It’s more of an economic consideration. Right now there’s a housing crisis in Canada and we’re in an economic crisis (because of you know who). It’s not economically feasible to have significantly more inflow of people than outflow right now. An open immigration policy with the EU isn’t going to happen tomorrow, and the housing situation and the relative inflow and outflow would be considered before adopting that kind of policy.
No, actually we’re excited about moving away from a country that supports a paedophile, narcissist that fucked up an existing agreement. That called us the 51st state. That called our Prime Minister “Governor”. Don’t FUCK with Canadians!!
If an ex breaks up with you, and you later start dating a new person, you should be excited about and looking forward to the new relationship instead of fixating on the bad one that’s ended.
Well, maybe your ex is also your neighbour (literally happened to me). It’s not practical to not think of your ex at all anymore, because they still have a presence and effect on your life. So you still have to manage that and be civilly neighbourly, but they should not have any bearing or space in your new relationship.
It’s like having an ex that’s your neighbour and your ex is constantly threatening to take your house from you.
Also your ex has a bunch of nuclear weapons and powerful military.
Hmmm… maybe it’s not at all like the dating scene?
Well the pedophile, conman was at least partly right, Carney was the Governor of the Bank of Canada. It’s an old title but apparently dementia can lead to confusion between the past and the present.
I gave up on this when Trudeau couldn’t do it. It’s nice but I don’t see it happening.
Right now joining their post-secondary accreditation would be nice.
