cross-posted from: https://crust.piefed.social/c/aljazeera_rss@crust.piefed.social/p/144608/kamala-harris-campaigns-with-abdul-el-sayed-to-unify-democratic-voters
The former vice president joins Abdul El-Sayed in Detroit to bolster Democratic unity in swing-state Michigan.
Can she fuck off into a hole for the rest of eternity with the rest of the neolibs already?
Hey! She might stand a chance at winning something now that she’s not running against an 80 yr old child molester. Why would you take that from her?
You think trump will step down, lol?
Uhhh…?
Sorry I was just thinking what it must be like trying to leave a comment in every active thread as soon as I log on
Sounds like a crippling attention disorder.
I hope she doesn’t ruin Abdul chance of winning
I thought that was the entire reason she’s joining. Attempt to make herself look better and take out a non neoliberal dem
As long as he doesn’t change his stance on the genocide in Gaza, it shouldn’t significantly hurt his chances. This is for the old liberals afraid to vote for a ‘radical’ candidate.
I’m sorry wut?
You’re rationale bere is that old liberals are afraid to vote for abdul because he’s a middle eastern Democratic but they’re likely to be swayed by an east-asian woman … … … What the fuck intersection of what crazy ass vendiagram do you think old liberals represent?
You are aware that race is not the deciding factor in MOST people’s voting decisions who are center-left… Right?
There have been a ton of mailers and TV ads making Abdul out to be scary and radical. The Ex-Vice President giving him her endorcement softens those attack ads.
So wait your trying to say old liberals are smart enough to not be concerned with race baiting but can’t think critically about un founded propaganda?
Again I ask you, what wierd ass demographic are you basing your coment on because it seems apropros of nothing founded in reality.
Are you trying to say there are no voters between pure racists and informed people who are fully invested in the US political scene?
I’m trying to say it’s really fucking weird to think that liberals who aren’t dumb enough to fall for sexism ( kamala voters) aren’t HIGHLY unlikely to fall for racism (your so called ‘old’ liberals who need kamala’s endorsement to be accepting of abdul).
In so many words I’m saying your premise is fundamentally flawed and without merit.
There are more areas, other than social issues, that he is being attacked in.
Some people are still scared of the socialism/communism attack angle, which is a higher likelihood if they are from an older generation that was heavily exposed to that propaganda.
Kamala provides an ‘establishment’ backing that makes Abdul’s platform more acceptable/safer to people who do hold those views.
I’m pretty sure it’s Harris preparing for her 2028 run by attaching herself to a big name this cycle. But sure, we can say she’s helping him out.
Two things can be true at once. I don’t think any Leftist is naive enough to think she is doing this out of the kindness of her heart.
I don’t care if she wants to rup for VP again. I’m going to be pissed if she tries for president again though
She already is. She’s running for president as we speak. She’s probably doing it smarter than anyone else’s actually. Cuz she’s out there pounding pavement. I don’t think it’s going to work cuz you know she’s still her. But she’s going to be far ahead of the pack come this time next year.
Perhaps throw here a bone AOC for pres, Kama for VP. However, I would rather it be AOC for pres and Walz for VP. He has more character and will.
Walz is done in national politics. Guy is a broken reed.
This - and thank you.
Honestly I had the same concern lol
Please no.
Well at least she’s smart enough to try to ride the progressive wave’s coattails. Schumer, Jeffries, Newsom, and the rest should take note. Actually, ignore that Gavin. I don’t want to give you any ideas, you opportunistic shitheel.
This comment is glorious and I love it. Thank you for sharing that.
We are unified, just unified against her. Go away.
naw. this is a terrible idea.
All the Media begging him to condemn Hasan Piker. No one in the media begging him to condemn a perpetrator of genocide.
I heard Hasan might have used a shock collar on his 100 lb dog though. I guess thats more important.
Seriously though. It gives me a bad fucking taste in my mouth. Like, you are literally sitting here as a candidate because of the support of pro Palestine advocates doing a shit ton of ground work. It’s kind of a fucking slap in the face to bring in a person that literally lost the election because she wouldn’t even acknowledge anything negative towards Israel. We were looking for a crumb of good doubt. And then she gave us this. Come on mate.
This literally feels like the Dems trying to defeat him.
They are. Can’t pull the “different party, same bosses” schtick if they elect people that don’t play the game.
Can someone explain why people hate her? From what I’ve seen, she seems pretty normal. I’m not from the US and not that deep into US politics.
Socialists are VERY easily upset when purity tests aren’t passed.
The genocide is a big part of it.
Because two years ago, she was the frontwoman of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
When Biden flamed out, there was an opportunity to chart a clear course away from the imbecilic positions and sound bytes of the DNC’s establishment and political consultant class. Instead, she toed the line, and lost. Not to mention, voter turnout tanked because she was just offering more of the same, instead of actually making any attempt to iterate and improve on any of Biden’s positions.
Hey! It wasn’t just more of the same. She said she would be open to having a repub in her cabinet.
Part of her campaign was getting buddy buddy with Liz fucking Cheney the the old Dem strategy of trying to appeal to Republicans instead of trying to appeal to progressives. Also she was a prosecutor and leaned into tough on crime bullshit.
She is a younger version of the same old party membership that needs to go away and let the progressives take the lead.
Conservatives called “neo-liberals” are in control of our Democratic Party. She is a neo-liberal who would not condemn genocide when she was running for president.
The normal people want a progressive candidate, not a neo-liberal. Conservatives are pathological liars and we are tired of them being the only two choices.
she kills kids for money . she is also bribed by the tens of millions of dollars and does not represent American people intrest at all.
I don’t hate her, but she ran for president once and lost. I don’t want another Republican administration. Give me someone to vote for who can win.
The simplest answer is that she is far too centrist for anyone who wants to see actual change. People want someone on a mission to make things better not just try to make things not get worse.
It’s been 8 hours and you’ve already got a lot of replies. I wanted to offer something that isn’t rooted in symbolism and political identity but just disregard if you feel like it’s already clear:
Kamala’s the latest in a procession of DNC leaders who already had jobs in presidents cabinets. That gives them experience and sounds great until you look at who those presidents were. Then you realize that for the last decade we’ve just been running the same guy spiritually since Obama left office and the US has no hope of ever growing beyond bombing brown people and pardoning pedophiles.
Add on that Harris’ predecessor was segregation-era architect of inequality and overpolicing in his career, and that she basically replicated his carceral strategies in her home state before ever working with him. It starts to be obvious that this procession of leadership would never be trusted with presidential power if they weren’t the only alternative to TurboHittler. It’s manipulative.
I don’t “hate” her she just doesn’t do much for me or represent my values as a voter. My biggest qualm is “she’s a cop” she was the attorney general and described herself as the “top cop” of California. She’s deeply entrenched in a very broken system and it does not serve her or those aligned with her to change that system. Those who understand the system is broken and it “going back to normal” as in pre-Trump, doesn’t actually fix said system it just rewinds it a bit. I will vote for Harris every day of the week over a Republican presidential candidate don’t get me wrong, but I don’t like it, I do understand the value of choosing the lesser evil and the importance of fighting back against accelerationism. I’m sure plenty of people hate her, as far as who she is as a person I’m ambivalent it’s just her politics are more of the status quo and that’s not my politics.
If elected, she will pardon donald and the rest of the criminals. She has regularly shown herself to be without a spine.
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Are y’all still blaming leftists for opposing genocide? Also if you think that she wouldn’t have gotten us into a war with Iran as well, you’re not paying attention. Or that she would’ve improved the environment, or that she would implement universal healthcare. Or that she would’ve handled immigration.
I swear neoliberals love to blame the left for their own shortcomings with nothing but straw man arguments and fallacies.
Yes, she would not have gotten us into a war with Iran, because she is not a moron. Anyone who thinks she would’ve started a war in Iran is bullshitting us and themselves.
She would have started if given the chance to. Only difference would be actually asking congress to declare war in Iran after joining Israel on the first strikes
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/kamala-harris-says-iran-is-greatest-adversary-of-us
Harris was asked whether she would use military force to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, but she said she would not discuss hypotheticals.
The vice president has repeatedly pledged to continue to arm Israel, citing in part what she calls the threat of Iran, despite growing anger over well-documented Israeli abuses in Gaza and Lebanon.
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Man it’s really amazing how many dead accounts hate me. Really wonder what I did to get under the skin of a certain user on lemmy.today
This is total B.S. Kamala Harris gave the standard response to those questions that any American politician gives, i.e. “Say something that doesn’t make you look weak but also doesn’t committ.” That’s why it says “but she said she would not discuss hypotheticals.” She gave a non-comittal answer which her political opposition could not use against her. In real life Biden and Harris were committed to the same route that Obama took, which was to actually make a non-nuclear proliferation deal with Iran.
Did she support Israel? Yes. But to claim she would’ve started this same war with Iran is simply rediculous.
Why do you think it’s such a far fetched idea that she would’ve started or participated in a war in Iran? She wanted to have “the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.” For what? Our own protection? You don’t become the most lethal fighting force in the world by reacting, you accomplish it through action. And as others have already pointed out, she’s beholden to Israel and if they would’ve told her they were going to to strike, and that they expected her to do the same, she would have in a heartbeat because then American gets to fight a war it founds it’s way into through an ally rather than us blatantly attacking them.
Sorry this war didn’t come with bombs wrapped in a rainbow flag and instead just exposed the bombs openly themselves. But to look at even what the Biden admin said and did in the wake of Trump 1.0 (things fundamentally will not change or something to that effect that Biden said in 2020.) you’d have to be crazy to think a Democrat is going to come in and save you. Especially one that can’t say genocide in Palestine is happening and it is bad.
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Why do you think it’s such a far fetched idea that she would’ve started or participated in a war in Iran?
Probably because she’s not an idiot and would actually listen to the generals, and also because she can’t be blackmailed for being a pedophile.
She wanted to have “the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.”
This is, once again, the standard response for any American politician running for president - say something that’s non-commital that also doesn’t make you look weak, so it can’t be misused by your political opposition. It is essentially a non-answer. If you look back every presidential candidate has said something similar, except for Trump (as trump usually just admits he wants to drop bombs on people.)
And as others have already pointed out, she’s beholden to Israel and if they would’ve told her they were going to to strike, and that they expected her to do the same, she would have in a heartbeat because then American gets to fight a war it founds it’s way into through an ally rather than us blatantly attacking them.
This is an incredibly simplistic and over reductive view of the situation. The reason why they supported Israel’s genocide (among other reasons too extensive to get into here) was because after Oct. 7th the polling was in support of Israel, and it only turned against Israel after they started the genocide. Now you may aruge that the left and progressives were always against the Palestinian genocide, and you’d be correct. But what you’re not getting is that the Democratic Party does not care about it’s left/progressive wing, because those people are not a consistent voting block. Up until rather recently the majority of Americans were in favor of supporting Israel, and they reacted accordingly, because that’s what politicians do.
Sorry this war didn’t come with bombs wrapped in a rainbow flag and instead just exposed the bombs openly themselves. But to look at even what the Biden admin said and did in the wake of Trump 1.0 (things fundamentally will not change or something to that effect that Biden said in 2020.) you’d have to be crazy to think a Democrat is going to come in and save you. Especially one that can’t say genocide in Palestine is happening and it is bad.
I don’t see how me stating the fact that Kamala would not have invaded Iran as equivalent to “a Democrat is going to come in and save me.” How about you blame politicans for the things they actually did, and not the shit they didn’t do or you think they’ll do. You’re literally blaming them for starting a war when in real life democrats have a record of ending wars, not starting them.
Nobody says you have to support democrats, but don’t feed me this crap that somehow they’d be just as bad as republicans because I don’t have time for no bullshit.
It’s not bs when combined with her acceptance speech as the democratic presidential candidate she proudly proclaimed she’d improve the military, which yes is unfortunately standard for American politicians, by making the most lethal in the world.
started this same war with Iran is simply rediculous.
She would be happy to start it, and with Congress’s blessings. Which they are still hoping eagerly to have trump ask them to vote for
Yes it is complete bullshit. Blame the democrats for things they actually do please, do not blame them for things the Republicans do. Look, just read the response I made to @Space_Cowby92
Are y’all still blaming leftists for opposing genocide?
Yes, how dare leftists oppose genocide. 🙄
Also if you think that she wouldn’t have gotten us into a war with Iran as well, you’re not paying attention.
Disagree. For the reasons that should now be painfully obvious to all Americans. She’s not demented and stupid like trump.
Or that she would’ve improved the environment,
She would have. You appreciate the EPA is dismissing pollution controls? Public lands being sold and destroyed? ANWAR drilling? Wind and solar being shut down? This one’s so simple, how can anyone miss it.
or that she would implement universal healthcare.
What, by Executive Order? Yeah that wasn’t the offer (though that is the goal). Hundreds of thousands thrown off Medicare, insurance payments skyrocketing, measles outbreaks, “we should all eat more meat”? Yeah she would have been much, much better.
Or that she would’ve handled immigration.
You prefer the fascist paramilitary to - NOT the fascist paramilitary? Because that was what we would have had. NOT that. And hopefully some improvement. “Handled” is pointlessly vague though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I swear neoliberals love to blame the left for their own shortcomings with nothing but straw man arguments and fallacies.
I’m saying voting for Harris would have been much better than whatever the fuck it was the Lemmyleft was trumpeting. Afaik it was either not voting or voting for a candidate no one can even remember two years later.
My war criminal is worst than the other war criminal therefore i am going to defend her \s Your dumb logic
It’s always disturbing and disappointing to see how little differences there is between Republican and Democrat supporters.
You prefer the fascist paramilitary to - NOT the fascist paramilitary? Because that was what we would have had. NOT that.
ICE: famously founded in 2025
Blah blah blah leftists bad and it’s our fault Trump was elected. Get some better talking points. Or better yet, if leftists are so important to democrats winning, maybe implement leftists policies and move towards the left then? But we all know it’s not that, the neolibs just want someone to blame for running a cop as presidential candidate and calling it PrOgReSsIvE.
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Whatever, you got the predisent you wanted. Our leftier-than-thous can try and fix it in the midterms or continue to work against it and watch another two years of abject disaster go by. Again.
Running a cop, ffs. As if you’re completely unaware what we have now.
As someone not inside the US, I would rather an incompetent steward of empire rather than a competent one. You think Harris’ promise of the most lethal military in the world was empty? Your government is uniparty when it comes to foreign policy, the genocide in Gaza is a testament to that.
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Progressives in shambles
Michigan progressive+ here. Not particularly. I read this as a shallow attempt by El-Sayed to use her reach to push his message and a doomed attempt by Harris to use El-Sayed to launder her reputation with the left. El-Sayed likely sees that he will come out ahead, but its not a moment to he proud of. Mostly a waste of time instead of campaigning with Donovan McKinney, save for the fact multiple days worth of articles are being posted about the one event I guess…
