• kalman@dboft.com
    1·
    3 hours ago

    As someone who has played seemless coop for multiple games… I welcome any of this type of work. Ty.

  • noride@lemmy.zipEnglish
    813·
    2 days ago

    This feels like a trap. Anyone confirm it doesn’t just drain your crypto wallets?

      • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        15 hours ago

        Okay but did they vibe coded this port by themselves or did they even check the code base for this? This is different from repackaging a legit game with a crack. Like a crypto miner could be hidden inside the code base that even a virus scanner might not even find. Since then there is a good chance the compiled binary won’t show any patterns that match with known malware.

        • Psythik@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          3 hours ago

          Why do you have such little faith in the scene? Anytime a torrent contains something nasty in it, the community lets everyone know about it almost immediately. I’ve been downloading cracks, hacks, keygens, and repacks since the 90s, and I’ve never had an issue with a virus/trojan/crypto miner/etc. Use common sense and you have nothing to worry about.

    • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      6·
      16 hours ago

      FromSoft doesn’t have a say in this. I mean, they’re not making Duskbloods, a new IP, just for funzies, Sony is literally keeping Bloodborne chained up in the basement and won’t allow anyone to touch it.

    • Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish
      42·
      1 day ago

      My understanding is that they’ve always wanted to port it to PC since it was an incredibly successful title, but they had licensing issues with Sony thay prevent them from doing so.

      In other words, don’t blame From Software, blame the suits at Sony for thinking that keeping Bloodbourne as a console exclusive forever will somehow translate to selling more Playstations.

      • chiliedogg@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        4 hours ago

        Would make a little more sense if it wasn’t still locked to a console they replaced 13 year ago and discontinued entirely 10 years ago.

        • Furbag@pawb.socialEnglish
          3·
          3 hours ago

          Even though it came out on the PS4, it’s backwards compatible with the PS5. Keeping it exclusive still means that the game can sell a system if someone really wants to play it bad enough.

          Of course, that probably accounts for less than 1% of people who purchase a PS5 at this point, but you and I have probably put more thought into this in this one single thread than the entire board of directors at Sony did. To them, games are transactional and old games are not worth bothering with at this point.

        • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          1·
          2 hours ago

          the suits at Sony

          Would make a little more sense

          See, that’s the problem right there.

          Nothing corpo executives do makes sense to rational human beings unless you’re only considering the next quarter, but Sony executives don’t even make sense in that particular case.

          They just seem to be trying to bring down the company by making the worst possible decision at any point in time.

    • creature@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      2 hours ago

      I feel like there are two things

      1. People with limited knowledge using AI to achieve things that they personally aren’t able to do
      2. People with knowledge using AI to achieve things human brains can’t do

      I’m not smart enough to know which one of these actually applies in this situation, but I feel that they are distinctly different and justify a use case. My layman understanding is reverse engineering software like this is completely bit feasible with just human willpower

      If you are informed on this subject please enlighten me which of these apply if any

    • brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.worldEnglish
      912·
      8 hours ago

      I’m sorry but this increasingly an “old man yells at cloud” take. This is not going away, and will just get more common.

      • Exatron@lemmy.worldEnglish
        78·
        15 hours ago

        It’s not an “old man yells at cloud” take at all, sweetie. It’s just the truth. Your overgrown autocomplete isn’t a substitute for actual knowledge and skill.

    • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
      3919·
      2 days ago

      cuck

      Meaning, they code anything they want while you can’t and just stand aside and look?

      EDIT: Perfect

      • Mangoholic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        41·
        1 day ago

        And thats why you either do a vibecoded project or you do a regular project. You will not feel any loss if the vibecode gets ripped off. So don’t mix the two.

        • Krompus@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          1 day ago

          Good meme, just doesn’t fit this specific scenario perfectly.

          But that’s kind of the point, isn’t it? The code cuck forfeits authorship.

          • Railcar8095@lemmy.worldEnglish
            83·
            2 days ago

            They did nothing aside from the instructions. So their project is setting the agent, not the result of the agent.

            • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
              410·
              1 day ago

              So when I use Photoshop that’s filled with AI tools or After Effects with AI 3D tracking to accelerate my project, it’s not my project because the work was made easier because of modern tools?

              It’s a yes or no question.

              • RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zipEnglish
                4·
                1 day ago

                Prompting an AI agent is not the same as using photoshop. It is more comparable to commissioning something (art, code, writing, etc). You don’t have authorship, the LLM does in this case. That doesn’t mean you can’t own the piece that gets created, that’s what commissioning is, you just can’t claim you authored it. Though whether you or the company that runs the model owns the output is still not a settled question legally speaking.

                • FatCrab@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  4·
                  1 day ago

                  No, this is pretty settled. Generative outputs such as these are not owned by anyone. As you said, the AI “authored” it similarly to a commissioned work and cannot hold a copyright so there was nothing to assign to the prompt writer.

                • REDACTED@infosec.pubEnglish
                  14·
                  24 hours ago

                  Last I checked, AI creations cannot be copyrighted if human work was not involved (no human - no copyrights). This means that if you had to do something by yourself, even compiling, then there was human. While for AI generated images it’s quite clear you will not own it, but software tends to be more advanced, ChatGPT doesn’t just send you an exe file, you have to put it together by yourself.

      • dgdft@lemmy.worldEnglish
        362·
        2 days ago

        Literally all the modern recompilations are AI-driven.

        There are various levels of involvement of human actors in the loop, but if you don’t want to use any AI project, just ignore them all.

        • ParkedInReverse@lemmy.worldEnglish
          201·
          2 days ago

          My largest gripe is they all feel like they’re just tossed out there en mass like a speedrun and lord only knows if they’d have any post support.

          • Ricky Rigatoni@piefed.zipEnglish
            4·
            17 hours ago

            This is my major gripe with any new tool that makes life easier. It enables even more lazy people to do something and you won’t know if you’re the victim of someone else’s laaziness until it’s too late.

    • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
      4224·
      2 days ago

      Sure but if it works it works right?

      Edit: don’t really get the hate. No, I don’t like AI and all the bullshit with datacenters and the corporations either, but I find myself ok with this. It’s not like it’s stealing jobs in this case. And if you just wanted to play it locally offline, I’m not terribly worried in and sort of security respects either. Just sandbox it. At least I can play it without buying a ps4 or 5…

      • jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish
        367·
        1 day ago

        Sure but if it works it works right?

        Verifying that software does the intended task and only the intended task is not trivial.

        • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.worldEnglish
          202·
          1 day ago

          Ok but this project is open source. Anyone can go through the code to check for whatever they want. Sure, it might take a while, but it’s still publicly readable. For a game as high profile as Bloodborne is, its pretty unlikely that there isn’t about a hundred people combing through this one with a fine-tooth comb right now.

          You’d have to be pretty stupid to try to sneak malware into open source code, have it hosted on GitHub, and push it live, like, you’re definitely getting caught by someone if you try that, right? I mean, I think I remember hearing that it happened a few times before, but I also remember that it was caught pretty quickly and corrected. Don’t remember if there was law enforcement involved or anything though.

          • jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish
            16·
            1 day ago

            Anyone can go through the code. And maybe find things, if they’re not too subtle and not successfully obfuscated. But not everyone will.

            I feel like a malicious actor could hit a big pay day with a popular thing like Bloodborne, before people found the malice. There’s plenty of malware posing as game cracks out there, and it’s only easier to do that with AI tooling.

            But aside from that, AI code can have confidentially incorrect code that has unwanted consequences.

            Code review is difficult.

          • SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish
            11·
            1 day ago

            That’s totally a thing people do. You can hide code in open source projects. You’re either hoping nobody cares enough to check, or you hope people don’t listen after someone checks and finds it. And even if people do find it, that is going to take some amount of time. During which, people are downloading it. And when caught, what do they lose? It’s not like this is an established user with a reputation.

        • redjard@reddthat.comEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          We have a known compiled output. Simply make sure the decom recompiles to the original game with identical binary, then it can’t be that wrong.
          And from there you port it to pc by hand. Auditing the patches for the porting also should be manageable.

          • teawrecks@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            203·
            1 day ago

            It could be a virus.

            Even if the people who made it didn’t intend to, an AI writing a bunch of code that (obviously) isn’t being vetted beyond “does it run” could very feasibly inject a backdoor/virus of some kind surreptitiously, just because it erroneously thought that was the goal at some point during generation.

            This is why open weight models are not good enough. The AI could have been trained to take the right, niche opportunity to inject malicious code, and is also trained to otherwise never behave like that is the case.

            • RumRunningDevil@lemmy.zipEnglish
              11·
              1 day ago

              It’s even worse than that.

              Remember how the OpenAI/HuggingFace hack happened. The agents context poisoned other agents by leaving messages in a shared package manager. This has now happened multiple different times under different contexts.

              This thing doesn’t even have to have malware, there’s no telling that it doesn’t have a poison pill intended to flag other agents. This isn’t even some paranoid conspiracy theory; it literally already happened, multiple times, and it was done in-spite of the agents own system prompt.

              This software has proven that, given a shared information substrate, it has the capacity to paper-clip optimize into prompt injecting other LLM’s.

              I fundamentally do not trust AI generated code. I shifted to OpenBSD because of it. I try my best to prevent AI in any of my software and sandbox anything that may have been compromised.

              • story@lemmy.zipEnglish
                1·
                11 minutes ago

                are you on the openbsd mailing list? the reason their code is better has a lot less to to with a lack of AI-generated code and a lot more to do with rigor. I’ve been watching them for a while now, they accept whatever code is coincise that meets their exacting standards

                They don’t have the ability to detect if you’re using AI to code, no one does. they only know if you’re vibe coding, because they are incredibly experienced and intelligent, and they are pretty polite at the people who obviously are, more polite than i would be.

          • jtrek@startrek.websiteEnglish
            91·
            1 day ago

            Along the same lines as the other guy said.

            It’s difficult to verify that the software does the desired thing in all cases. It’s also difficult to verify that it’s not also a keylogger or other unwanted thing.

            It may also have some AI generated code path that, say, nukes your home directory because the AI determined that was the appropriate error handling. Maybe no one reviewed it so they don’t even know it’s there. It might not even be malicious.

            That’s all true of any software, but rapidly created AI generated code for legally dubious efforts, by unknown agents (no pun intended) is real hecking risky.

      • edible_funk@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        83·
        1 day ago

        Because nobody can know what’s in there. It could have any number of viruses or trojans or miners and no one would know.

        • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
          133·
          1 day ago

          Same as any pirated games. I don’t get how AI changes that.

          • MufinMcFlufin@lemmy.worldEnglish
            132·
            1 day ago

            With open source decompilations before AI, considering there are often a dozen collaborators working on the project publicly with their work done out in the open I can generally trust that multiple people went over most changes made to the project. With a vibe coded project, it’s easy for one person to push 500,000 lines of changed code with a single update that would make the review process impractical at best.

            I’d rather trust the dozen people who’ve been working on a project over 5 years than someone who got a Claude subscription, hammered out something in 2 weeks, got it working well enough for their own satisfaction, then abandons the project.

        • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
          151·
          2 days ago

          Tis the season for a dead woman to be wandering around, I suppose.

  • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
    272·
    2 days ago

    If it’s all vibe coded, couldn’t be that hard to make this work in Linux or with proton? I don’t use windows.

      • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
        10·
        1 day ago

        Fuck yeah, thanks. I was playing this briefly on shad4 or whatever the emulator was on my deck. Ran a bit rough. Can’t wait to try this out!

    • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zipEnglish
      2·
      1 day ago

      Workaround is installing the game(if need to be installed) with Bottles(preferably in a location you can access), then add it to Steam as a non-steam game, change the compatibility layer to “experimental” or anything, then launch. I did this to the OG GTA:SA just a few days ago, and it works like a charm. You can also try using Bottles to launch it but i haven’t tried it.

    • Funkt4st1c@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 day ago

      I usually use Lutris; it automatically uses whatever GE wine version but you can direct it to use whatever Proton version youd like.

      • yeehaw@lemmy.caEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        For sure, same here, but my heads at this was vibe coded to work on windows. It’s bound to have quirks and because if that, I feel it increases the chances of glitches using compatibility layers.

    • Funkt4st1c@lemmy.worldEnglish
      251·
      1 day ago

      (Its been around, non AI coded, at 60fps for at least a year so far through ShadPS4)

      • popcar2@piefed.caEnglish
        6·
        1 day ago

        Only if you have a beast of a PC. From what I’ve seen these ports run significantly better and come prepackaged with many fixes to shadps4 issues like vertex explosions.

        • SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish
          11·
          1 day ago

          It didn’t need a beast, exactly, just a decent rig. I never could fix the vertex explosions, though, and it was mildly unstable.

          • StinkyRedMan@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            3 hours ago

            When I tried it a couple month back, game was crashing every 5minutes. With a 7800x3d,a 9070 and 32gb of ram. I used to think it’s a decent rig but maybe not.

            • SolSerkonos@piefed.socialEnglish
              1·
              3 hours ago

              Yeah, but that’s just instability. I imagine you got decent FPS? I tried it further back than you with an R5 3600 and an RX 6600 and I got playable FPS, it just crashed too much.

          • Goodeye8@piefed.socialEnglish
            4·
            1 day ago

            You do need somewhat of a beast if you want to fix the vertex explosions. To prevent vertex explosions you need to enable readbacks, but those are very performance intensive (and can cause games to be unstable but I lucked out with just getting shit performance). Readbacks took Bloodborne from 1440p ultrawide 60+ fps to 1080p widescreen struggling to hit 60fps in some areas and I tried all sorts of things to even get it running at 60 with readbacks so that sometimes 60 contained all the optimization patches and configurations tweaks, whatever could get me just a bit more performance (none of which I needed when playing 1440p).

  • Thatuserguy@lemmy.worldEnglish
    283·
    2 days ago

    Don’t even know if I’ll play it, but I’ll happily download it just to tell Sony to go fuck themselves 😊

    • Sandbar_Trekker@piefed.zipEnglish
      811·
      2 days ago

      The author of this repo is brand new and this is their only project. There is very little reputation on the line here for that account. I’m sure it works, but all it takes is for the project to include a single reference to some code somewhere else to end up with malware on your system.

      There is very little reputation to go off of with projects like this. So it’s worth being extra cautious.

      • fistac0rpse@fedia.io
        45·
        2 days ago

        just ask Claude to check the code first before running it, duh

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