“Some of you may be willing to die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” but unironically
Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285
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Hi Hexbear Dunkers,
Thank you for calling me out on the misinformed, small-minded, and frankly awful comments I had made about the Ukrainian conflict. I am significantly out of my element talking politics, especially eastern european politics.
I appreciate everyone who responded to me, even if they were just pointing out how ridiculous or foolish I am.
I’m going to engage in some self reflection and figure out my motives for making uneducated comments on the internet.
Wow, I’m taken aback at a person actually coming onto the internet with an open mind. Good on you stranger, you’re kinda my hero.
It’s a pretty low bar so please save your admiration for someone who deserves it. Thanks for the encouraging words though.
It’s a low bar, but you’re still the first non-hexbear user I’ve seen do it since federation
This is the most surprising thing I’ve read all week.
Just remember LiberalSocialist said the same thing
I think they did actually learn some things though.
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An inflammatory user that posted a bad take, apologized, then kept posting bad takes and being inflammatory - but now other users jumped to their defense, due to them apologising once. They would often copy-paste the same response to several users that made the mistake of taking the time to answer them in good faith. Due to this one of such responses became a meme “power dynamics”.
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“AOC is doing what the unions wanted her to do” was way funnier anyway
“Which unions, LiberalSocalist?”
Came here to dunk amd this is the first thing i saw. We love to see this. Thank you for your honesty and I hope your self-reflection goes well.
Most of us are reformed libs who might have said something similiar to you had we not done some reevaluating of our recieved ideologies ar some point.
If you should want info on left wing perspectives or ideologies, the fine comrades on hexbear are as eager to help as we can be ruthless toward reactionary assertions.
Thanks for the welcome. I’m actually interested in media sources I should check out, specifically around the russia-ukraine conflict. History, analysis, commentary, etc. Anything I find from Google or YouTube (also Google 🤔) is couched in the same exact narrative.
Come and join us in our latest news megathread. There are always plenty of links being posted to relevant topics that often don’t get much attention elsewhere.
I’m actually interested in media sources I should check out, specifically around the russia-ukraine conflict. History, analysis, commentary, etc. Anything I find from Google or YouTube (also Google 🤔) is couched in the same exact narrative.
Hohohoho… this is where the real fun begins. I present to you: The New Atlas
Early on one of our members was keeping an update thread going with sources, that was very helpful, but at certain point it was dropped as the conflict kept going on. Id post this question in the askchapo community and I’m sure you’ll be innundated with sources lol, we’ve got some well informed comrades on there
That one post about how “programming.dev” users are complete dumb dumbs was pretty on point.
every single time, without fail
My my my, there sure is a lot of lemm.ee trolls, paid pentagon shills and bots brigading this post.
Surely that can be the only explanation for people disagreeing with me!
e: this was the wrong thread for this, but it still kinda works
Whoops I cut off their reply halfway thru.
I know you all hate Ukraine and think they should lay down and let Russia steamroll into Kiev and annex the whole country. But reality doesn’t always reflect your geopolitical wet dreams.
Geopolitics is when you think people shouldn’t die in a senseless war. It’s also somehow unrealistic
Yeah they should just submit to a genocidal invader! That’s WAY better than dying!
define genocide
The intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Russia is doing that to Ukraine.
We have evidence of Ukraine banning the use of the Russian language, import of Russian books, Russian music, the banning of “pro-Russian” political parties. So we know Ukraine is engaging in what could be called cultural genocide. I’d love to see your evidence of actual genocide happening, though. I’m sure it’s real!
This is in no way equivalent hahaha. What kinda swill do they hand out in the IRA breakrooms these days?
Russia is invading the heartland of another distinct ethnicity and purging it. Ukraine is not doing that. It is simply clamping down on political liberties to ensure a stable war economy and political situation. This happens in every country that is forced to fight for it’s own existence.
the heartland of another distinct ethnicity
Kievan Rus exists
Russian and Ukranian are almost the same language, as different as modern English is from Shakespearian English
Why do white people try to create ethnic differences where none exist? Russians and Ukranians are visually / genetically / culturally pretty much identical. It’s like saying North Korea invaded South Korea to purge it of Koreans!
Perhaps the Ukrainians should concentrate the population that shows Russian sympathy into small campsYou know, to keep a better eye on them and to ensure the security of the Ukrainian identity against the perfidy of the Russian abhumansFunny that one of the Baltic states proposed exactly this.
and purging it
Please show evidence of this.
Kidnapping Ukranian children and forcibly adopting them into Russian families is genocide. It is an explicit attempt to erase Ukranian culture.
The only one cheering for a genocide of Ukrainians is you buddy. I think they shouldn’t die in a massive murder machine.
I have not cheered for anything. I regret this situation as much as anyone. I simply think that it’s plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and “re-educates” your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for a Ukranian identity. I also think it’s quite telling that these “peace appeals” are only made to Ukraine, even though it takes two to tango and Ukraine isn’t the one trespassing.
I simply think that it’s plain silly to capitulate to a mafia state that kidnaps and “re-educates” your children, bombs your hospitals and schools, massacres your villages and whose leaders have openly questioned the need for an…identity.
sorry not totally clear, you talking about USA?
How did the US. get Putin to invade Ukraine? I’m trying to follow the logic but I keep getting stuck on that one.
Weird, I got this as a reply but then it was just gone:
So the implication is that the Russian invasion was (and continues to be?) a false flag?
Yeah, I’m still not seeing how the US got Putin to go along with this false flag, any more details?
They were engaging in a dang whataboutism
Its a cheeky joke that is wondering why the United States has the moral authority to hypocritically police another state for actions that the USA engages in regularly and yet does not receive a fraction of the pushback.
It’s also worth pointing out, however, that the USA has been stoking the flames of Russian-Ukraine conflict for decades beginning with Operation Aerodynamics.
Well first off: if we’re just making shit up, you might as well get creative with it. The Russians are actually harvesting the Orgon energy of the Ukrainians in order to fuel a massive necromantic rite that will imbue a thousand golems with life, which will create an indestructible army of russian super soldiers.
Secondly: The Russians aren’t actually just bombing hospitals and murdering children, I don’t know where you get these claims from, but you might’ve confused Russia with the US and Ukraine with Iraq. Even if the Russians were copying the American Shock and Awe strategy of warfare, that still doesn’t really change anything does it? The Ukrainians still can’t win, the longer they fight, the worse their negotiating position will be. But you think they still should fight.
So just to be clear: You think the Ukrainians should continue to be killed by the Russian military as they attack the defensive positions? You want this war to continue until all Ukrainians are dead? I just want to be sure I understand your position, which seems to be that you want all the Ukrainians to die and then Russia can just pick the corpse of the country as it wants.Wow dude, this little number you’ve written here has so many logical fallacies and projections.
First of all, in no way am I defending the US invasions of the Middle East. Shit was bad and unnecessary.
Second of all, Russians are absolutely bombing hospitals and buildings full of children. They bombed a building in Mariupol that was used to house children and had that written on the roof. I’m also worried that they’re kidnapping children and robbing them of their Ukranian identity.
I think the war should continue for as long as Ukrainians are willing to fight. And not because I’m a cartoon villain that wants them all to die; I think any deal with Russia’s mafia leadership isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. The Russians have already stomped all over the Budapest memorandum that guaranteed Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty, why would they honor any other deal? At best the Russians would use the peacetime to resupply and rearm and try again later.
First of all, in no way am I defending the US invasions of the Middle East. Shit was bad and unnecessary.
The people who lied to you about those wars are telling you today’s war is totally a good one. Why would you believe them?
I don’t like being painted as someone who is told what to think. I do not think the Ukraine war is a “good one”, there are no “good” wars. I simply empathize more with the victims of imperialism and not the perpetrators of imperialism.
duty and obligation to try
A duty and an obligation to whom exactly?
If you were a grunt in Lord of the Rings and your opponent was the orcish horde and Gandalf was saying this to you after having demonstrated his righteous power, there might be an argument because you live in a world where anybody with a baby brain can tell the good guys from the bad guys. You were born from a mother and your opponent was carved out of mud ugly and feral. It’d suck, but it’s like fuck it, we ball.
If you’re a member of a capitalist society being antagonized by a member of another capitalist society so that treat manufacturers can uphold NFT copyrights 13% more effectively, then there’s 110% less duty.
If you were a grunt in Lord of the Rings and your opponent was the orcish horde and Gandalf was saying this to you after having demonstrated his righteous power, there might be an argument because you live in a world where anybody with a baby brain can tell the good guys from the bad guys. You were born from a mother and your opponent was carved out of mud ugly and feral. It’d suck, but it’s like fuck it, we ball.
Despite everything, this is somehow also the exact argument the op would use to justify more Ukrainians dying on mass.
Oh yeah, I guess I didn’t circle back to it, but I agree. If bombastic violence is your approach, you probably think your opponents are an orcish horde.
Ukranian forces could have pulled an Iraqi army / insrugency move and just melted into the general populace and IED’d the fuck out of Russian forces on a weekly basis for the next 20 years. Making Putin and anyone after him just bloodlet the russian forces. It is so fucking funny that they think a Hot War is, in this day and age, a better option than an insurgency.
I wonder how that would have played out. The Russians still have Soviet-era records of military installations, so big hidden caches of weapons like in Iraq are out. Western support could probably still come through but probably only a matter of time before the Ukrop resistance blows up a school bus by accident and the West gets squeamish.
Unlike in Iraq where there’s radical differences in culture, language, and history, how long before the average Ukrainian gets sick of living in European Falluja and starts snitching on the people blowing shit up?
If the insurgency can’t get up to much more than random stochastic terrorism, that’s probably not going to get them independence. The Chechans got up for far more and the Russians didn’t cave then.
Ukrop resistance blows up a school bus by accident and the West gets squeamish.
Lol, the West actively supports death squads in central and south america with nary a fucking care.
The school bus was carrying Western school children on their mandatory annual “Learn from Father Bandera” trip.
Why yes, poor people in another country should die so I can sound like a smart wargame strategist on my forums.
HoI IV was a mistake and considered by many historians to be a bad idea
Libs straight up just manifesting 40K lore into the real world, these people are sick
Libs make Field Marshal Haig look like a competent and compassionate strategist
at least Haig spent a lifetime of upperclass conditioning to not consider the lower classes that made up the soldiery to be full people what’s this guy’s excuse
What’s this guy’s excuse?
Reddit propably
