Assist with WHAT?
Occupation.
Correct answer. The fascists in charge want to do to California what Israel is doing to Gaza.
Not American and maybe I’m just OOTL but this confuses me as well… I’m aware of a peaceful protest against the mass deportations, but what else? Why do they need armed soldiers??
To prove empirically that he is a king and the constitution is dissolved.
It’s the next step in his takeover. He already controls the government. He controls business through tariffs. Now he needs to control the people.
Once he’s got control internally, he’ll turn his eyes to other countries. What we’ve seen so far with his threats will become reality as he annexes Canada, Mexico, and Greenland to secure natural resources and wages a full economic war on anyone else who challenges him (China, EU)
It’s pretty textbook rise of Nazi Germany 1930s. None of this should be surprising.
Yeh as a Canadian I’m pretty sure we’re next after he crushes the democratic states. Can’t build an empire without conqueting your neighbours.
We don’t. This is all for Trump to wave his dick around
They should refuse the orders and arrest Trump and everyone else involved in this shit. Which includes a lot of the administration.
Traitor president.
The sooner Americans learn to accept this is the historical event currently unfolding, the sooner we can take care of him and his enablers.
“Assist” is doing some heavy lifting there…
I keep seeing people talking about the Marines and the National Guard being deployed, and this is certainly egregious and the blame for it rests squarely on Trump’s head… But I have not seen many people mention that the LAPD are not being deployed by Trump. They are being deployed by Californian Politicians, and from the livestreams and videos I’ve seen, the police are the ones shooting LTL rounds and flahsbangs at civilians and reporters. Let’s not lose sight of the fact that the police response has been unacceptably violent, national guard or not. It is the violence from the police that has historically, and will in this instance as well escalate the situation.
I think LAPD are essentially their own political institution, barely accountable to civilian or elected leadership
Trump is a traitor.
Not American so could be wrong, but there’s a law that they can’t do police services unless activated by the state not the president so that will be interesting
shithole country
Trump left his tinydick phylactery in Los Angeles and sent the people who would have been correctly convicted at the Nuremberg Trials to try to find it, but he has to keep sending more because it is so small.
I don’t understand why these protests so often end up with people destroying cars and shop windows - and then, in many cases, looting as well. Whatever legitimate cause you may have had loses credibility pretty quickly after that, and it becomes hard to sympathize with the protesters, let alone criticize the riot police for stepping in. A cynic might say that some are just looking for an excuse to cause havoc.
Because people don’t suddenly develop a hivemind when engaging in a protest. You get a large group of people together and the likelihood that at least one of them is a shithead quickly hits 100%. Add in agent provocateurs and you get situations like this.
A large group of people trying to have a peaceful protest could easily stop a few individuals who start smashing things. But from the looks of it, the reaction often seems to be the opposite - people applaud it or even join in. Even here in the replies, there’s someone excusing it with “who cares about Google,” and another one justifying the looting of ampm so apparently, in their mind, it’s not a problem. The fact that this exact same tactic is used by the aforementioned agent provocateurs should only further encourage self-policing within these protests.
Have you seen what happens when people try to stop agent provocateurs? The police rush in and beat the shit out of them. The entire point of provocateurs is to manufacture an excuse to use violence.
No, I haven’t seen that, but I’m sure you can provide an example.
The point of agent provocateurs - at least as I understand it - is to make a peaceful protest no longer peaceful, giving the authorities an excuse to shut it down. But even if the people committing vandalism really are provocateurs, they still can’t accomplish their goal alone. They need real protesters to go along with it. Plenty of people are willing to riot, but they don’t want to be the first. However, once someone else takes that step, they’ll happily join in.
If the general sentiment among the protesters was that this kind of behavior won’t be tolerated, these tactics wouldn’t work. A regular police officer can’t tell a protester from an agent provocateur - so if someone starts throwing bricks and immediately gets shunned and handed over to the cops, they’ll be taken away, and the protest stays peaceful.
Not all the protestors are involved in criminal activity. The news is constantly reporting that 95% of the crowd is peacefully exercising their right to protest, but a small minority of people use the situation to their advantage and cause chaos. The media then reports on these (accurate) instances of violence and then right wing talking heads run away with that and paint the picture that everyone is looting and rioting and attacking cops.
It’s also a known tactic to have provocateurs incite a riot so that the people in power can use it as an excuse to crack down on an otherwise legitimate protest.
It’s a case of a few opportunists ruining it for the many. As with football celebrations, street parties, or anything. It’s a damn shame that their greed ruins the legitimacy of protesting though
Waymo is owned by Google. Who cares?
Looting small businesses will always be fucked. Haven’t seen that yet with these protests.
I have seen people looting an AM/PM in one of the live feeds of what’s going on. But it didn’t look like they were actual protestors, either. Just people taking advantage of the situation. Plus it’s AM/PM; you know how much good stuff they have? Too much! They’re just helping them get down to a reasonable amount of good stuff.
Who cares?
The people outside your bubble.
Probably because those people don’t realize those cars are autonomous and owned by one of the biggest corporations on Earth. I’ve had people swear up and down to me online that autonomous cars don’t exist. Meanwhile I see them drive around on the daily.
I mean, many don’t. I’m not even sure there was any mention of property damage except to police/Ice vehicles/equipment prior to the police escalation.
However now they they’ve escalated and brought in the national guard, started shooting and tear gassing people, and more it seems things have escalated.
The real question is - “if these communities are protecting these people so fiercely, where is the mandate to deport them with such force?”
This took less than 3 days.
Less than 3 days of mild protest in one city and Trump is saying the governor needs to be arrested and is using the military against civilians.
This wasn’t even classed as a riot.
In one neighborhood of that city.
That’s because it was nothing on Saturday. Trump sends in the National Guard and they make a lot of smoke. There were 3 or so waymo fires and some cop cars damaged. Protesters were hit by rubber bullets a lot though.
See for yourself.
Saturdays Live Streams:
- NBCLA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5MfqiO3QQk
- ABC7- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdPTnHNEUiE
Sunday’s Live Streams:
- AP - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXT945ZJNCI
- Reuters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSNMZEjRBsk
- Agenda-Free TV - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BrsI2vVHKA
- AXN News (?) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kmwdCmOkdQ
This weekend is the totally not celebrating the rapist in chief’s birthday military parade.
There are… a LOT of concerns that is just an excuse to militarize DC ahead of midterms.
But yeah. That also means trump wants protests to go away NOW and an excuse to attack California always makes him happy.
Hasn’t there been national guard, and a literal wall around the white house for the last decade?
There are military resources available and heightened security around the white house. In a country where children either buy an AR-15 or get shot by one, that only goes so far.
Contrast that with an actively deployed and on guard… guard. Protests in DC will become next to impossible and “dissenting” congress people will be much less likely to ever try to get a photo op while pretending they care about stopping doge et al.
Officially using the military against civilians. Yup we’re cooked
Don’t worry. All the heroic men and women in the armed services will decide THIS oppression of a civilian populace is too much and some of the officers will resign. Then, in just a decade or so, they’ll have O-5s who are only qualified to be O-3s and it will all come crashing down! And if you disagree, you are just a doomer!
Yeah… This does not end well in any conceivable way.
There are several historical examples where a dictator tells the military to shoot civilians, they say no, and the regime collapses.
The world is also filled with governments that ordered the military to shoot civilians and are still comfortably in power. No country is immune to authoritarianism, the US is not exceptional.
The US is just exceptionally good at being a dictatorship.
part of the problem is this absurdly naive optimism everyone has. people need to start being more fucking pessemistic and angry.
On the contrary, people are pessimistic as hell. Source: this thread.
Yeah, really if anything we need optimistic and angry
those don’t go hand in hand. ever.
If that were true, no revolution would have succeeded, ever. You don’t win if you don’t believe you can.
The president deploying the national guard, let alone the fucking MARINES, to “assist police” is a direct violation of the posse comitatus act, which was written to SPECIFICALLY PREVENT ANY PRESIDENT from using the military as law enforcement
Doesn’t matter if it’s illegal, if there’s no consequences
This is what so many people fail to understand.
When your boss steals $100 from your paycheck, you’re supposed to file a wage claim, wait years for your day in court, and even when you show that the company stole from you, the punishment for them is a small fine ($50 per person first time, $100 per person every time after that). You don’t even get the fine. The fine is paid to the state.
Now flip it around and imagine what happens when you steal $100 from the company. Immediate legal repercussions, multiple court dates, probation if you’re lucky and jail if you’re not.
The entire system is designed to fuck people as hard as possible while reserving the kid gloves for corporations and oligarchs.
I am gleefully awaiting the day protesters start disappearing federal agents/national guard. Fuck all fascists, even the ones “just following orders”. No habeas corpus is a two way street motherfuckers
This
Well, it actually does matter this time around. I think this is going to come back to Trump if we make it through long enough. California doesn’t fuck around.
Trump has been using the Constitution as toilet paper with zero consequences. Why do you think he cares about this?
We know who is really behind this stuff: Russell Vought.
The remaining question is: how to make it look like a suicide?
The “police” are already illegally supporting ICE in their sanctuary city.
Pigs are always class traitors
Did Trump declare martial law while I was asleep? Because last time I checked, he can’t deploy the military on US soil unless the country is in a state of emergency. And peaceful protests don’t count.
since when does it matter what the law says? he’s been breaking the law every single day since he took office. nobody is gonna intervene.
Almost everything Trump has attempted to do, has to some extent, been blocked in the courts. Sometimes temporarily…other times completely. And the temporary blocks are all still active cases, that stand a good chance of getting permanently blocked in the future.
The problem is, the media isn’t covering that enough. They like the drama…so, all they report in is the shit that gets clicks. And boring court details don’t attract a lot of interest. Especially considering that by the time anything is resolved, the news steam has long since moved on to other, more recent scandals.
Until one of the other branches of government decides to grow a spine, Trump is free to do whatever he wants.
Or the people.
The people can’t do much against an MQ-9 reaper, much less strategic bombers that can fly well higher than civilian aircraft.
If it comes to something like Red Dawn, we are fucked.
“The people” aren’t going to engage in traditional warfare against the undivided might of the US military. If there is armed resistence it’s going to be attacks on individuals and sabotage/explosives, and it’s going to divide the armed forces.
he doesn’t need to apparently.
Well, he IS the king of America (and Canada, Panama and Greenland), so why would he need approval?
I don’t condone deploying the military, its illegal, but burning waymo’s isn’t peaceful.
Waymo’s are ultimately used for surveillance to intimidate protesters. Ideally they wouldn’t get burned, but at this point they have chosen to side with authoritarians (tho that is expected of corporations)
I’d love to see proof that Waymo is providing live footage to the police to help manage the protests if you have it. That’s pretty fucked up if true. (edit: Burning is still bad, but I’d be down for defacing (e.g throwing paint on it) if so.)
Granted, this is not about the protest, and it is too early for that footage to be used so far. Still we know the current admin is not happy about any protest and was elected on themes of revenge. It is worth taking steps to protect protesters from being targeted in the coming days and weeks.
I think it comes down to did waymo freely provide it (article doesn’t say up to where it wants me to sign up) or did the police have a warrant.
If they have a warrant, I think that’s legitimate. I don’t think Waymo should be responding to police requests without a warrant though, otherwise it will breed distrust, and rightfully so.
The police have been known to demand footage from Tesla’s in the area of crimes as well, again as long as its with a warrant, or the individual owner decides to provide it, I think that’s fine. I want to make the distinction that if an owner of a car that has cameras wants to provide it, i think that’s okay, but as a corporation, with a fleet of vehicles, that should never happen without a warrant.
The people setting those fires should absolutely be charged for their actions. But their actions don’t negate the Constitutional rights of everyone else who is protesting. And calling in the National guard before the local authorities have declared the situation to be out of their control, is a direct violation of Constitutional law.
Agreed that the national guard shouldn’t have been deployed as well. I’m just saying they aren’t peaceful.
But, when you say, “they”…you are painting the entire protest as violent, unless you make the distinction that it isn’t. And the vast majority of protestors are simply exercising their 1st amendment rights, in a perfectly legal manner.
I never said they were violent, I haven’t heard of anything violent (edit: from the protesters) yet personally. There’s a difference between peaceful, not peaceful, and violent.
If there’s enough bad actors doing things like setting cars on fire, then it warrants a larger police presence (but not the national guard at this level or ever the military)
Edit: Just to add clarity, it warrants a larger police presence, because they are in fact no longer peaceful. Sure most people are, but the protest itself isn’t.
Impressive how the troll farms always manage to put one “yeah people were hurt but what about property?!” in every thread about our pigs.
Congress could end this immediately, by revoking Trump’s emergency powers. Spineless traitors the whole lot of them.
What emergency?
Well, there’s like 40 he’s declared to choose from, but specifically rescinding the Southern Border Emergency enacted on day one. These unprecedented circumstances provide him the ability to deploy military against civilians.
Edit- Adding an NYT article with better overview
Like I said, what emergency? They’re all made up.
Ah, no disagreement from me. If only congress saw it that way. There’s at least a majority of representatives who clearly feel the orders are valid through their lack of action.
