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    Wait… I thought these morons said life begins at conception. Shouldn’t citizenship be determined at that time, then?

    They can’t even get their own story straight.

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      Life begins at the moment of insertion.

      Citizenship begins when your skin passes the paint swatch test.

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      If not for double standards, Republicans would have no standards at all.

      The hypocrisy is baked into their ideology. They don’t need to be consistent, it is all about “winning” to them. Words mean nothing, except as a method to “win”.

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          I don’t know what any of that that means, but I was paraphrasing Sartre:

          Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

          By “anti-Semites” Sartre is of course referring to the Nazis and their sympathisers (it was written in 1944).

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          I feel like that’s giving them too much credit, The demons in Frieren aren’t immoral they’re just ammoral, they straight up don’t have a concept of morality or empathy except from an external point of view as this strange human behaviour they can manipulate. Fascist on the other than are human and do understand morality and empathy and then choose to ignore and weaponize them anyway, they have so much more malice than a fictional demon.

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    They will steal America and imprison, kill or deport anyone who they don’t like. How many steps to fascism before enough people act?

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      Well, stealing land and getting rid of people they don’t like are among the core founding values of America so this tracks.

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    One benefit of birthright citizenship is its egalitarian simplicity: The only thing most people need to prove that they’re American is a birth certificate. Those lucky enough to be born here receive equality under the law from their very first breath. Trump seeks to replace that system with a caste-based vision of national identity in which every parent must provide documentation to secure their children’s fundamental rights.

    Would it be correct to describe this as “apartheid”?

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    It looks Republicans want to just shuttle them around like they do with homeless people, rounding them up from red states, dumping them in blue states, and pretending they solved a problem.

    Fine, let’s play this game. Trump rounds up citizens he dislikes, pretends they aren’t american citizens, ships them off to other countries who then say “these aren’t our citizens so we’re shipping them back.” It’s cruel, which he’s okay with, but also expensive because they will constantly be sent back to the US to deal with, which is expensive and the costs will only grow since there is no real plan to deal with them. Costs can be used to hurt him politically.

    So what’s the point? You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away.

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      Slavery. They’ll make them work for free, as if that’s not almost the case anyway. They might make 2 more cents a day to go on top of their millions a day, so who cares?

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      You cant just put people in other countries, say “not it” and walk away

      Republicans: “Hold my beer”

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    At some point the people will unify on a single point : demand the administration resign in entirety

    Until we do that and March coast to coast saying the same simple message this won’t end

    “You’re fired”

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    I was going to get rage-baited into making a “point” about reasoning and how Trump wasn’t a “native” American… but I’m resisting the engagement temptation. There is no “logic”, it’s all about gathering privileges then justifying how to prevent others from doing the same. There is no reasoning, no logic, not even ideology.

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    But the Epstein files bro, release the list and we defeat facism bro, trust me he is there it doens matter that every one already knows , talk about the lost please bro trust me bro it’s not a complete waste of time trust me bro

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    Revoking citizenship of people that already have it is insane but the whole concept of birthright citizenship is also silly. Citizenship should be gained through residency, not simply being born somewhere.

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        Sure, we can do it right after countries stop fighting with each other over resources, influence, ideology and religion. When do you think will this happen?

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          countries

          Why do i give a shit about them? The one that’s supposedly mine wants me dead. Deployed the military i paid for to kidnap my friends, point guns at me when i go tk the only grocery store in easy walking distance. Why the fuck do i want that?

          Nevermind the more subtle ikpersonal shit like letting borders be permeable to goods but not people, isolating laborers from solidarity and increasing the efficiency of exploitation worldwide when we can be more easily pitted against each other. Nevermind the fact that if local stabdards get too high and the workers demand too big a cut of their labor, the factory owner can pick up and move somewhere more exploitation is allowed, the people here can’t follow the work, and the people there can’t walk away in protest. Lets keep this personal.

          ideology and religion

          So, the place I’m in: it’s literally illegal to believe some of the things i believe if you weren’t born here, the governing ideology is a queerphobic exterminationist christofascism, and everything i love is under threat from the killers who steal money from me in taxes so they can shoot chemical weapons at me when i ask them to stop killing black people.

          The governments on the other side of both land borders have expressed zero explicit desire to exterminate me, and never pointed guns at me because i wanted strawberries, like the one here did for most of this month.

          Im trapped in here with the kkk and florida, but i cant have the best-on-the-continent chinese food of vancouver or the excellent tacos of oaxaca unless i risk my life crossing that imaginary line-and, again; not super worried about the mexicans or Canadians killing me or telling me i can never go home. They don’t even think about it unless i date them, and even then theyre still more peaceful than a lot of the monsters here.

          resources

          I’ve lived in an extraction town in the continental US. It was dystopian, dirty, and poor. We were exploited abd stolen from. How the fuck did the border protect me? Protect the people who couldn’t leave? Especially jow with the abolition of OSHA the NLB and the EPA; what the fuck is the point? What does a ‘country’ do for me? How does it represent me? Please explain this to me.

          I actually spend abouf half my time in an extraction town right now, one that got wealthy by also being a shipping/entertainment hub. People are dying on the streets. How the fuck does the border help them?

          Explain how the fuck a border keeps me safe. To me, it just feels like a cage. Am i missing something?

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            Explain how the fuck a border keeps me safe.

            It doesn’t. It keeps me safe from people from your country. US has a long history of destroying other countries for it’s political and economical gains. We have borders to protect us from countries like US and Russia. It doesn’t always work but we sure as hell need them.

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              keeps me safe

              Okay. But that doesn’t seem like it’s in the interest of people trapped here.

              US has a long history of doing the thing i just said it protects me from

              So… When were borders invented? I assume that just stopped when they were invented, right?

              and Russia

              Doing a great job at that.

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                If you want to remove borders from you country I have nothing against it. In EU we already have free movement across most of the block. When it comes to external borders I definitely would like to keep them and I’m not really interested how people from hostile countries feel about it.

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      It’s silly unless you have the conditions of thr north American anglosphere. This is a right borne by crimes against humanity in an attempt to ensure no people born here are denied full protection of the state ever again.

      Euros love to act like Americans never learned anything from our history but this is a vital part of our history and our attempt to do better

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    In dry bureaucratic language, the memo outlines a plan to revoke citizenship from the children of both immigrants who lack permanent legal status and many lawful residents, including visa holders, Dreamers, and asylum-seekers. It envisions intrusive federal review of parents’ papers—quite possibly in the hospital, before or shortly after birth—to gauge the newborn’s legal status. And it paves the way for people who spend their entire lives in the United States to be deported to countries in which they’ve never stepped foot, or to be condemned to the limbo of statelessness.

    I wonder how Marco Rubio feels about this. Neither of his parents were U.S. citizens at the time of his birth in the U.S… Perhaps he’ll be deported to Cuba?

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      Logically, this combined with their insistence that they can revoke legal status means that no one’s citizenship is guaranteed. Everyone born in the US is descended from people who weren’t citizens. And those who went through a process to become citizens can apparently have that yanked away if the current administration get its way.

      If I were the next president and had to try and undo the damage these fascists are inflicting, I’d start by deporting the bastards behind this shit in all three branches of government, starting with the the Supreme Court. Maybe just drop them all off in Antarctica.

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        SO, If I’m descended from Native Americans AND Canadians, does that mean I’d get deported to Canada, or would being descended from Native people protect me from deportation even if that means I’m not “lily white”?

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        Hmmm never thought being Native American could be so advantageous till now…

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          Hope you live and work within a reservation. It are lucky enough to detour you back to one if you don’t. They’re coming for anyone that disagrees with them.