Still investigating cause of death, but it appears to be some sort of puncture wound in the neck region
Of course he was targeted. The shooter is likely dead by now. They probably called it Operation Watch Charlie or something.
He was killed as a distraction.
Possible… but he had a lot of enemies, and there’s more and more people with literally nothing left to lose in the USA every single day, so it was probably inevitable on a long enough timescale.
Who would have thought that making millions of people’s lives actively worse in an already not great time in the most widely-armed country in the world could have POSSIBLY led to current events???
By that, do you mean Kirk made millions of people’s lives worse? How exactly (other than by incessantly spouting bullshit)? Genuine question
after I typed this I realized I basically just said "yeah incessantly spouting bullshit"
When you’re a mouthpiece of hate, and people who agree with you act on it by being shitty to someone they don’t like, you’ve made many people’s lives worse.
When you’re as prolific as he was, supporting a government that’s actively mistreating the majority of its 300m+ population, you’ve made millions of people’s lives worse.
Charlie Kirk wears a lot of the blame for the existence of guys like the jubilee fascists, he was a perpetrator of stochastic terrorism and increasing right-wing extremism.
I’m not saying he deserved to be shot, but he did not want and doesn’t get any empathy from me.
Good point about him not wanting (anyone’s) empathy (at all)
He was killed as a distraction.
Susie Wiles: “Sir, they leaked the live copy of your letter to Jeffery Epstein. It’s having absolutely no effect on your public approval and Congress seems incapable of doing anything to stall your accrual of executive level powers. What should we do?”
Trump: “I’m a great president, Susie. Some say I’m the greatest president who ever lived. That’s why I make the big decisions. And I’ve been thinking about this for a long time. We’ve got to save the nation. We need to get stronger. Some people are saying we’re not strong, but they’re wrong, Susie. This is the best this country has ever been and it’s only going to get better. Are you ready to make this country better, Susie? I don’t think you’re ready… you’re nodding. Does that mean you’re ready?”
Susie Wiles: “Yes, Mr. President. Anything for you, Mr. President.”
Trump: “Go talk to Pete Hegseth. He’ll tell you what to do.”
Pete Hegseth, drunkenly: “Susthy, ith so good to thee you again. But I lothe to wath you leaf.”
Susie Wiles: “The President said you would know what to do.”
Pete: “Yeah, uh… kill the big head guy. You know the one. With the tiny face.”
Susie: “Charlie Kirk”
Pete: loud burping noise
Susie: “Right away, Mr. War Fighter Commander Pete.”
sounds of gunfire
Susie Wiles: “Mr. President! In a strange turn of fate, it appears someone else shot Charlie Kirk before we could get to him.”
Trump: “All according to plan, Susie. I’m the smartest man who ever lived. You can thank me with a kiss. Get over here, sweetie.”
Susie: you can grab me by the pussy. I’ll just let you do it.
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Will this be excuse to send military to Utah or is he planning something else?
The bullet was fired from Chicago.
Hey, I live in the Chicago burbs and can tell you that I was at Lou’s picking up my pizza at the same time the shooter was ordering his at the counter, so it couldn’t have been him.
I heard Times Square and the likely sniper was Zohran Mamdani.
He’s planning on going after all political dissenters from what he said when he addressed the nation yesterday
Yep, he’s gonna make dissent illegal and start going after people who says shit he doesn’t like all in the name of national security. Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon love this plan
Trump sending the military to Orem would be really friggin weird. Unless he’s sending a brigade of recruiters.
What was the timing of the US Senate vote to not release the Epstein Files?
I swear you people would watch World War III kick off, vomiting your own digestive system out from acute radiation sickness, and still be saying “This is just a distraction from Epstein!”
More than one thing can happen on planet Earth. It doesn’t all have to tie back to Trump and Epstein.
Hey man, we’re giving him the care and consideration he gave to sandy hook
As a wise man (i.e. me) once memed:
That’s what someone who wants to distract from Epstein would say!
Things can still happen simultaneously. If a “distraction” is ruining lives then you shouldn’t be ignoring it. If Trump enacts martial law to seize the country don’t ignore it for the sake of it being a “distraction”.
yeah but where are they?
They’re in the hands of people that despise us and would never release them voluntarily, let alone prosecute with any intent on conviction and sentencing.
But maybe if people keep posting funny title cards on social media they’ll change their mind, I dunno.
The World War 3 has already has started, just many are refusing to acknowledge it. If Ukraine won’t stop Russia it will continue to the rest of the Europe. We already North Korea fighting within Europe.
Going back to trump, he is all about himself and no empathy towards others. He is willing to get Ukrainians and Palestinians killed in exchange for whatever putin and bibi are giving him. He had no problem of having two politicians assassinated to just distract from No King protests.
So yeah, I wouldn’t put past him to use him for political gain, like excuse to deploy military in Utah or some other goal he wants to achieve.
Wasn’t Kirk on the release Epstein files bandwagon anyway? That sounds like something that would let you fall out of favor.
We are no longer in the first term where there were people that would say “no” to him.
World War 3 has already has started
Wars start all the time and don’t escalate into worldwide conflicts. This is like saying “The next recession has started, just look at X!!!” It’s really easy to make a doomer take, but when the doom fails to materialize, it’s always “okay, sorry, we got the date wrong… but soon! Doooooooom!” Any sort of take like this deserves a blanket response: put up or shut up. Let’s see your bet on Polymarket.
He had no problem of having two politicians assassinated to just distract from No King protests.
Conspiracy talk. Show me the proof. Or show me your bet on Polymarket that we will eventually find evidence.
deploy military in Utah
Outside Moab and SLC (which are moderate), Utah is one of the reddest states in the union. From a despotic point of view, this makes no sense.
Wasn’t Kirk on the release Epstein files bandwagon anyway? That sounds like something that would let you fall out of favor.
Trump’s administration might be more competent now, but Trump himself certainly isn’t. If he found himself suddenly not liking Kirk, I would expect to see him trash talking on TruthSocial.
A far more likely scenario: all the recent political violence we’ve been seeing is the result of unstable individuals in a politically divisive climate with unfettered access to firearms.
I mean, Russia’s certainly looking like they want to try at Finland again with those troop buildups, and they’re propping up a lot of armed agitators in Moldova, as well as a lot of sabotage across Central Europe (and now a drone incursion accidentally-maybe-not into Poland). Sure looks to me like if Russia isn’t an aggressor nation towards Europe, they’re doing a damn fine job imitating one.
Do they have the troops, morale, equipment, money, or veterancy to effectively prosecute a war against a nation that hasn’t undergone serious regime change recently? My money is personally on no success, but I’m definitely willing to say that Putin will give it a try. He has leashed his entire wagon to the horse named “expansionism”, and he NEEDS some sort of victory to keep any semblance of public support, no matter how jaded his populace might be - otherwise his dictator friends might get ideas on seizing Russian lands.
and now a drone incursion accidentally-maybe-not into Poland
You don’t fly a hundred of miles with a remotely controlled drone by accident.
Another thing is that to steer them they used Polish SIM cards. There was actually news that Ukrainians found Polish and Lithuanian SIM cards in short down drones, back in July, so this escalation was planned for weeks.
I’m not saying that Russia isn’t being a class-a douchenozzle. I’m saying it hasn’t escalated yet, there is still plenty of space for de-escalation, and predicting the future is really hard.
Sure that wars start all the time, but they typically is happening in unstable countries. This time we have war in a well established country which was invaded by its imperialist neighbor.
With trump basically dropping international law and outright saying that he won’t help Europe, this will expand into rest Europe unless Russia bankrupts or Europe finds a good deterrent (it doesn’t have one now, because US won’t help).
Conspiracy talk. Show me the proof. Or show me your bet on Polymarket that we will eventually find evidence.
Whatever you say. Awfully a lot of coincidences happens when trump is in power and all end up in his favor somehow.
Outside Moab and SLC (which are moderate), Utah is one of the reddest states in the union. From a despotic point of view, this makes no sense.
The goal is to have military everywhere, red states likely will be prioritized last, but remember that the military wasn’t deployed to California or was deployed to Los Angeles. He isn’t threatening to deploy to Illinois, but to Chicago.
Anyway this was an example, looks like he uses this event to go after the opposition.
We don’t even know who the killer was but it is already framed that “radical left” is behind it.
That and Israel keeps escalating on the fuck around scale, inevitably heading toward the find out axis.
I swear you people would watch World War III kick off
uuh… Oooh yeah (most, mostly right wingers) Americans always consider themselves as the only nation on this world. Yeah go ahead, do it.
Next up: FBI confirms a firearm was used in the shooting.
Ongoing: FBI suspect that political landscape might be toxic
BREAKING: FBI Increasingly Suspects Murder As Cause of Death in Kirk Shooting
TIL that I could be in the FBI. Great detective work guys.
When you realize how low the bar is, you should never have imposter syndrome again. At this point the remaining federal government is only composed of Trump loyalists.
The claims of meritocracy replacing DEI are beyond ridiculous. How many campus shooters have ever just walked away like this? This was a high profile assassination. The fact that they still have not found the guy that did this, should let you know they either let this happen or they’re now just completely incompetent. I’m leaning towards the former, but the latter is definitely a possibility.
Anybody can just be handed power and control under this administration, no matter how unqualified. That is how the right has been operating for the last 25+ years. Literally that is why people keep joining this grift. If you’re willing to pledge loyalty, take advantage of people, and help destroy your own country, you can make bank.
The people that fund the right refuse to let a penny of their money go towards taxes to pay for public services, but they will literally throw absurd amounts of money at anything that promotes their agenda. They would pay somebody to publicly set their own money on fire, if it meant that person could convince a handful of people to keep voting Republican.
The really sad thing is, there is some truth to the left (or at least the Democratic party) becoming so comfortable being cemented in established norms and institutions, that they have managed to become exclusionary and made a big chunk of the U.S. feel alienated.
Like a lot of the institutions on the left have become what the Republican party was when the new right was first forming. Everybody “new” actually has connections to somebody already established in the party. They’re usually somebody’s kid, relative, or family friend, or they attended the same Ivy League and were recruited by somebody in the establishment.
I read a really interesting article years ago that spoke about that happening on Communist China back in Mao’s time. Essentially all the folks who were competent retired/replaced by folks with connections to the party not the role. Thus corruption infiltrated.
I can’t find the article and I don’t remember the professor’s name who wrote it but I remember thinking it was odd that a Chinese professor was writing about the government and letting it be published. I think he may have gotten in trouble after the fact or something else.
No fucking shit he was targeted. That is how you aim a gun.
Nah, stray bullet bro.
Do you mean to say it wasn’t a random bullet?
I never would have reached that conclusion on my own, thank you FBI, you are truly the world’s greatest detectives. Thinking outside the box!
His neck actually just did that by itself
Actually, he’s such a gun afficiando that he regularly eats bullets for breakfast, but this time accidentally ate a live round which was later set off by stomach acid and propelled in an upward direction at a slight angle.
Damn you are a science wizard!
No it took an entire spevial effects team.
Be fair. They recently fired all their good agents. The sycophants that are left are trying their very best.
I feel like there are parts of the country where it does need to be clarified. Utah may be one of them. 😉
I think it was an accident. He dropped the rifle and it accidentally shot Kirk
Both wrong. Staged. Fake. You’re fools for believing it.
Yeah, his neck just did that
Crazy what age does to your body
Jet bullets can’t melt steal necks.
Crazy times to live when you see the FBI go from Darth Vader to Dark Helmet.
Holding press conferences with the visor down … sounding loud, hollow and important … every once in a while opening the visor to show an idiot trying to clarify what they said.
They went right over his Helmet!
Right? Won’t be able to have a serious movie about the FBI for the next 30 years
Their (they 're…i am incompetent)counting on AI to do the Darth Vader shit for Darth Helmet… we’re fucked
I don’t think he was shot, I think his neck just did that
A truck backfired at the same time.
"Grunthos was reported to have been “disappointed” by the poem’s reception, and was about to embark on a reading of his 12-book epic entitled “My Favourite Bathtime Gurgles” when his own major intestine, in a desperate attempt to save humanity, leapt straight up through his neck and throttled his brain. " --Douglas Adams HHGTTG
It did not in fact do that ay all. Special effects. Crisis actor.
The bullshit could no longer be contained.
I’m no expert, but if you hit someone, it means you targeted them.
I was gonna say this. Of course he was fucking targeted. You don’t just fire randomly and accidentally.
Well you never know when it’s a MAGA event…
Usually. Sometimes not. Like those people somewhere in the middle east, celebrating a wedding, shooting their AK47s in the air, and the groom getting killed that way…
Tinfoil hat time: Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery, which has a very high mortality rating. This wasn’t a lucky shot, this was well aimed. If you look at the tape, it doesn’t look like someone in the crowd had a gun, no one in the crowd was reacting before the shot occurred, and no one saw a gun pulled. In the crowd full of people, how to you avoid everyone else and make a kill shot like that? I legit believe this was a shot taken from far away and the person that took the shot had the ability to make a sniper shot like that, (some form of police/military training.) Then, before he’s been officially pronounced dead, Trump posts “The Great, and even Legendary, Charlie Kirk, is dead. No one understood or had the Heart of the Youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. He was loved and admired by ALL, especially me, and now, he is no longer with us. Melania and my Sympathies go out to his beautiful wife Erika, and family. Charlie, we love you!” Trump wrote on his social media platform. If he hadn’t officially been declared dead, why was Trump saying that Charlie Kirk was dead before it was official. Next Trump is blaming the left with no proof. I’m calling it, Trump had Kirk assassinated as a false flag operation, and this will be trump’s reischtag fire. Buckle up. Edit: NYT is saying the shot came from a roof via a high power bolt action rifle, because the gun was found in the woods near the campus. Authorities also claim to have video footage of the suspect going to the roof of a campus building.
The shooting spot was about 250 yards away. That’s WWII sniping range, but not particularly far for modern precision rifles. According to Ryan Cleckner (US Army Ranger sniper), precision marksman training in the Army makes you use iron sights out to 600 yards. A good setup these days can hit a dinner plate (read: a human head) at 1000 yards, and that’s not even pushing it.
They didn’t have to hit him the neck. They just needed to hit the general head area. They got lucky hitting the artery dead on, but any head hit has a very high probability of death.
There are millions of bench rest shooters with a bolt action rifle who could make that shot.
If you have a regular 30.06 bullet with a rifle sighted in at 200 yards, it will hit around 5" lower than you aim at 250 yards depending on the gun and conditions.
If you have it sighted in at 300 yards and aim for center mass (heart) the bullet will hit around 5" above where they are aiming.
In both conditions the bullet hits the neck area.
Also, I don’t know if people train for downward sloped shots. He may have over/under corrected.
Not usually in my experience. Almost all target shooting is on relatively flat ranges. Especially not for ranges that short.
For those that don’t know, when firing down the slope the effect of gravity decreases the bullets velocity loss. So the bullet transverses the distance in less time and drops less over a given distance.
When firing up a slope the bullet loses velocity due to gravity. So it drops more due to the extra time it takes for the bullet to transverse the distance.
Whoever did it, at least we know (s)he had to be part of a well regulated militia
That is the nice thing about the American Way. Just call up the neighboring states’ militias and ask who didn’t show up for drills and if any weapons are missing.
Shooter was probably aiming for head and the bullet lost a few inches of altitude in the air
Shooter was also aiming down, which is not a thing one can typically practice.
You don’t think that maybe trump just doesn’t wait for a news article to be posted? Maybe he got a call and since he’s incessantly posting tweets he did it before an editor could approve the news article change? There’s a lot more simple explanations.
Yes, this is also highly likely, which is why I started my post with “tin foil hat time.” Even if that’s the case, even if the govt had 0 involvement in his death, I still think this incident will be used as a means for trump to further solidify power.
Based on the close up of the shooting, it looks like he got shot right in the corrotid artery,
There are two carotid arteries. Based on the footage, it looks to me like only his left carotid artery got hit. It would make sense because bullets make a way bigger hole when exiting than they do when entering.
I don’t think anyone, no matter how skilled they are, would be aiming to do that. It’s way more likely to be a failed headshot or shot to the torso.false flag operation
Claims like this give both too much credit for action and too little to strategy.
- there’s no reason to believe this specific action was a false flag operation when in the current environment it’s simple to believe a radicalized individual
- isn’t that one of the benefits of the continuous hatred, outrage, divisiveness, chaos? There’s always going to be stuff like this happening, so you always have an event to capitalize on without the risk of doing it yourself
???
“America was about to come together against its true enemy?”
Every single person reading this is going to think the " true" enemy is something/someone else.
We have not been this divided as a country since we went to war with ourselves.
Which is the one group both groups politicians shill for.
Which group currently blackmails both sides of the aisle.
Which group funds politicians on both sides of the aisle to keep American taxpayers sending billion of dollars a year despite their current genocide and souring tensions with the world.
Uh… the bourgeoisie (billionaires and those close to them in wealth)?
I believe they are trying to alleviate to Israel with their last line.
Like…
Basically a circle when you compare the two problematic groups in America.
I dunno, this happening right around the same time the Senate voted YET AGAIN against the release of the Epstein files may be a thing
Ockham’s Razor
There is video of a person dressed in black skedaddling back over the rooftop, clearly the shooter. No sane shooter is aiming for the neck, hell no. Pretty sure it was a chest shot that tumbled around his ribcage and exited his neck. Weird shit happens when a teeny projectile hits meat and bone at 3,400FPS.
On the day before 9/11 of all days.
+1
No, that was random gang violence. Charly tried to sell crack on the wrong turf.
Now Trump is going to send the army to guard the streets of buttfuck nowhere Utah from all this violence, right? Right?
Oh don’t worry, they’ll institute police checkpoints everywhere across the country for “safety” and “national security”. Worked great for Ireland!
Come to think of it I really need my brakes checked and my pool cleaned.
don’t forget all the sugar and soap you’re delivering to the local food pantry.
Everyone knows the shooter was from Chicago, so this still counts as Chicago crime
/s
It is amazing that Trump sacrifices his personal Joseph Göbbels just to distract from the Epstein files.
