The DNC and Democratic Leadership must go, this party is dead.
Dems: checks bank account for March 1st paycheck. Yep, it’s there. Shrugs. Keeps doing what they’re doing.
Democratic leadership wanted this because Israel wanted this
Recall what Schumer believes his job is
C O N T R O L L E D O P P O S I T I O N
Coworkers
I can’t wait to begrudgingly tell people to vote for Gavin Newsom so he can defeat Donald Trump’s run for a third term.
I can’t believe our best bet is yet another billionaire. I really hope James Talarico can make it
I’ve said that any billionaire is automatically off my list, but Pritzker has been saying the right things. I like Kelly, too.
Newsome is a Manchurian MAGA phony. He’s the Democrat that the Oligarchs will support. If he becomes president, MAGA will be back AGAIN in four years.
My choice will be the candidate who explicitly says that his top priority will be to crush MAGA, prosecute their followers for their CRIMES (Which are many), and purge it from our government and society. MAGA is a proven National Security Threat, and their leaders are Domestic Terrorists, so it shouldn’t be a problem to prohibit MAGA from existing. I have other issues that are important to me, but they are ALL on the back burner until the MAGA threat can be properly sorted out.
Both parties have been led to this by decades of AIPAC bribery.
Dems playing good cop, while Republicans are bad cop.
That’s actually the ideal scenario because the alternative is they’re just that bad.
How dare you say they’re equally bad.
One party wants oppression, genocide, and economic ruin.
The other party merely wants to preserve FPTP so you’re “forced” to vote for one of them.
As a non-American, it’s simple to see how the Democratic party at the national level puts on a show of resistance against the Republicans but is largely and intentionally ineffective against any legislation that benefits their shared corporate masters. Of course, people will point out individual politicians who actually do their jobs, but that’s the entire point: to do enough to look like they’re trying without doing enough to actually make a difference.
Controlled opposition. The US political system is a farce.
And the neo-libs brow beat anyone who doesn’t agree with their ways or points out their blatant hypocrisy by saying “Do you want X to win?!” They argue in just as much bad faith as the MAGA.
Both parties want oppression, genocide and economic ruin.
The different is that one openly wants it everywere - abroad and at home - whilst the other one wants it abroad whilst voicing discomfort (but doing little else) about having it at home.
The fact that you can both side this one is very significant, because many young people feel absolutely lost in this cultural vacuum. I can see how bad trump’s side is of course, but the absolute lack of representation is staggering. I feel like this too. Truth is that I am, politically, a person without a home. I proposed myself to learn something new everyday, to be new everyday. New things, i use them. I have have been looking for a home too. Don’t underestimate this lack of representation. It’s a modern tragedy that nobody cares to represent.
I grew up in a world where being left, right and centrist meant things, i have seen this eroding in real time. You’re on your own on this too. You all are…
DNC politicians couldn’t care less about people getting killed (children included) as long as the AIPAC and MIL checks keep getting paid.
Not cowardness they truely support it
¿Por que no los dos?
Of course, they’re making cash money off the war. Hopefully AOC runs with Bernie advising her.
Hopefully AOC runs with Bernie advising her.
Agree but, IMO it’s how AOC got elected that is the key to fixing America. Americans need to make that happen every single election. Systematic problems need more than 1 presidential term to reverse afterall.
Regardless of your opinion on AOC, this documentary about how she got elected lays out the steps.
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Independent local grassroots electoral movement. Dedicated to getting/organizing volunteers, signature gathering, door knocking, everything from getting candidates on the ballot to winning in the election.
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Candidate nominations. AOC didn’t sign up, her BIL or someone nominated her and the Grassroots Movement approached her to run.
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PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. PRIMARIES. Target establishment DNCs who clearly have more in common with corporate lobbyists than their own constituents.
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Run the numbers game. Only 1/4 of their candidates won. Democrats should face a primary EVERY SINGLE ELECTION.
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Time for the MAGA comedy act of Schmuck & Jeffries to get the hook, and be dragged off-stage. Losers.
Oh no, not a backlash!
a STRONGLY WORDED backlash!
Primary every one of these wet fucking paper bags
Backlash is so much better than frontlash
The right Eyelash can be pretty devastating.
This is the same dem leadership that was calling him taco trump for simply saying he’d negotiate with Iran before Trump attacked them. Of course they are aroused by this, even more than they think the voters are
I’m not a “third party voter” guy. But between ICE and now this - Bernie Sanders has a power he could use, is definitely aware of, and doesn’t.
If Bernie sanders announced that the Democratic party was a failed party he is the only progressive leader in this country that could actually form a third party that would literally replace the Democratic party overnight. At least in terms of current democratic voter approval ratings. His voice alone would build so much momentum.
I think he is too much of a liberal Zionist to leave the Democratic party. Or he’s just really not who he once was. It’s just a shame. He was an important figure to moving this country to the left and made a lot of young leftist into what we are today. Many of us seeing him as a right winger at this point.
The Democratic party is so unpopular. There is no better time to destroy it and replace it. I don’t think it is possible to work within it anymore. What are we voting for in November when half the Democrats will still support ICE and endless war?
Edit: Can’t even get someone to disagree with my initial comment. Just “you’re a tankie” and “you don’t understand politics”. With nothing else to say about it.
Would love someone to tell me they disagree that Bernie and AoC forming a new party would not be extremely popular and why. I really would. I can be wrong. But no one has replied to what I said and I’m sitting very controversial.
…Bernie is independent
Typical .ml tankie calling Bernie a right-winger…
It’s like you can’t read context. I literally praised him for starting many people on the path to leftist politics. I never called him a right winger directly. I was using it as a point of reference for how far left a lot of the country has moved since. I said it in the context of people like myself that have moved left of Bernie. That they would consider him to be to the right now. Especially on the issue of Israel.
But, apparently the only thing you can read is a .ml.
Or I could say “typical liberal. Can’t do anything without an identity box to put someone in.”
“I have called you Tankie. Checkmate. I don’t have to think about anything you said.”
That’s what you sound like.
You:
I never called him a right winger directly.
Also you:
Many of us seeing him as a right winger at this point.
Oh, but it’s about my shortcoming because I can’t read context?
Yeah, I’m sure the problem is because I don’t think about anything you said…
I’m not even a liberal, by the way. Believe it or not, socialists can hate tankies too.
So, you are capable of understanding context right? Like, you can quote something out of context and it have significantly different meaning. Which is what you’re doing.
Do you understand that sentences don’t stand on their own at all times? Or do you think that that sentence you quoted is the equivalent of saying Bernie and Trump are the same?
As “a socialist” you should know that anyone that is in favor of maintaining a capitalist class structure (as Bernie is) would be “considered a right winger”.
Or do you just label yourself as “socialist” while not understanding it? Nothing I’ve said has been “Tankie” if you mean that by “authoritarian left” or whatever. That word has lost all meaning to the point people like you use it to insult anyone “to the left” of you when you have nothing else to say.
Bernie is in favor of maintaining a “nicer” capitalist state and is hence “on the right” from a socialist (like yourself).
It’s not that complicated to understand. But I don’t think you even understand your own political label if you couldn’t understand why I would “consider Bernie a right winger”.
You can’t just contradict yourself and then claim I’m not understanding the context.
Just because someone is to the right of you doesn’t mean they’re a right-winger. You’re doing exactly the thing you’re accusing me of doing.
I know that not everyone to the left of me is a tankie. Unlike you, I’m capable of recognizing that leftism is an entire spectrum.
A tankie is an auth-comm, sure, and maybe you didn’t say anything that was explicitly auth-comm. But you’re insinuating that Bernie Sanders, a leftist, is a right-winger just because he’s not as far left as you are. That’s something that really only a tankie would do.
Fuck, sometimes lemmy is as bad as reddit…
Can you give me the benefit of the doubt for a moment? Think for a second that “I’ll pretend this guy isn’t an asshole and that maybe I misinterpreted something”. Can you do that? I think you seem to not know what you don’t know. You call yourself a “socialist”. That’s great. I just feel it’s hard to have a conversation with someone that thinks I’m trying to backpeddle or trick you. I’m not. Have some good faith and listen to my example below.
Three people stand in a room. A socialist, a centrist, and capitalist. The socialist wants class and private property to be abolished. They want the surplus labor value to be distributed back to all of society by Democratic means. The means of production should be owned collectively and not be held as private property for profit. The Capitalist wants to maintain the current economic systems and give his class tax breaks. The centrist wants to maintain the current economic systems but thinks we should tax the capitalist more so we can pay for a universal healthcare program. The "Centrist" is by definition a "right winger". They want to maintain the systems of surplus labor extraction that allow the lifestyle of the capitalist to be maintained using the profits gained from others labor. This is socialism 101. It is not weird or wrong to call the "centrist" a "right winger" in this context. They want to maintain the current economic system and class hierarchy.Bernie Sanders would fall into the category of the centrist in this example. This is the perspective in which “some of us would call him a right winger”.
I think you are hearing the label “right winger” as an insult or a label you have an reaction to in a negative way.
For me, in this context, it’s just a means of categorizing this divide. Nothing else.
Hope that clarifies my position. I hope, if you disagree, you can at least take my perspective in good faith. The divide between “the left” and “the right” among socialist is fundamentally based on this divide. “Do you think capitalism and class hierarchy should be ended?”
That’s it. Tons of people fall “left” of that. Anarchist, Marxist, etc.
But it’s a pretty well defined line. And I think if you call yourself a “socialist” you should understand this divide.
I make the mistake of writing my comments to a reader that understands this. I shouldn’t. I should use better language that is more inclusive to understanding this. “Right winger” sounds insulting and wrong to someone that doesn’t classify things this way.
I also made the mistake of being self critical at the end of my comment. But if you make it here I hope you understand.
Yes. On paper. Do you have any meaningful difference to define him any differently than someone like AoC or Illhan Omar? Besides just the label he has on his name on CSPAN?
Not sure why what you said has anything to do with what I said.
Believe it or not, political parties are not ordinarily supposed to refuse all negotiations with any other party, vote no on any measures they introduce, and call them all demons to their supporters. The independent/Democrat relation is just a rare American instance of that.
So, again, what does this have to do with my initial comment about Bernie being in a unique position to be able to form a party and endorse candidates to run in that new party?
You didn’t address anything I said and now you’re just going off on a tangent. Him being independent or Democrat is not really at all relevant to the comment you responded to.
Do you think he doesn’t have that unique position? I think his tours with AoC show otherwise and I think it was a failure to not disconnect from the Democratic party then. They have proven to be useless in fighting Trump.
You can disagree if you want. But you haven’t said anything about the point of the comment you replied to.
Thats a lot of words to tell us you dont follow american politics accurately.
Feel free tell me what you disagree with.
Bernie wouldn’t do this. It was more of a thought of what could be done at this point. Not saying it would ever happen.
When you make a comment like you did. It’s helpful to add a couple sentences to actually show you understand something. Otherwise you just sound like YOU don’t understand something.
Bernie is tired, man. He doesn’t want another presidential run. He would gladly pass off the torch if anyone was ready to take it from him.
The generation of DemSocs that he raised are doing good things, but they’re still young politically speaking. There’s still a lot of good they can do from their positions in congress and local offices while they establish themselves in their political careers and expand the influence of the DSA.
Give them time. Many of them don’t even meet the 35 y.o. age requirement to run for president yet. And even if they do, their track record isn’t long enough yet to be taken seriously by the mainstream.
Bernie established a movement, and it will take time to mature. Be patient. Nothing happens overnight, and if you’re expecting immediate perfection you will always be disappointed. Learn to settle for incremental change and gradual progress, otherwise you may end up doing damage that sets us even further back.
I think a lot of people misunderstood my post. You included. I never said he should run again. I said he should start a new party.
He could start a party with his backing and promote the next generation of democratic socialist. Sadly, he doesn’t and is going to die and leave a massive hole in the momentum and influence he has.
The only one close is AoC and I don’t think she is even close to having the momentum to actually disconnect from the Democratic party.
But if Bernie endorsed her for a presidential run until a newly formed party. So many Americans would jump on board that train.
Mighty fine deflection there partner, I don’t think anyone saw it.
Speaking of third-parties. Back in 2020 Howie Hawkins was running as the Green Party Nominee for President and during the Democrats campaigning he went on the record stating that if Bernie Sanders won the Democrat nomination, Hawkins would withdraw from the race. -I think most people here remember how those Democrat primaries went down. I just find it ironic that as much as Dem voters removed about wanting the Green Party to go away, the one time it was realistically possible the Dems conspired to ensure it didn’t happen.
Sadly we are still dealing with that today. The votes on my comment show that. Can’t even get anyone to actually discussed what I said.
We are still living with so many Democrat “progressives” that never learned what that word meant. It’s definitely a split between the people that wanted to vote for a Social Democrat offering no wars and free healthcare. Vs. more neoliberalism but with “the first female president”.
There are still a massive amount of people that never learned progress beyond identity politics capitalism.
It’s a reason the Democratic party needs to die. For every “vote blue no matter who” person we lose we’d get 10 alienated and non political people excited to vote for a candidate that will lower their rent and healthcare costs.
I don’t think a third party is possible. But I do think if Bernie and AoC were behind it that would be the best chance. Especially now. With BOTH parties somehow at historical low approvals at the same time.
All I meant in my original comment. That no one seemed to understand.
Backlash lol they should be arrested and charged treason.
trump would love that.
And the republicans every AIPAC recipient
AIPAC donates to both sides of the aisle and should be banned from politics, but your initial comment wasn’t shots fired at AIPAC, you were saying every Dem should be arrested, which trump would love as a convenient political purge.
How does it feel doing so much legwork for the biggest fascist in current US politics?
Well I clarified that I think every AIPAC recipient should be arrested for treason
Try using enough punctuation to get your point across clearly next time
Bless your heart
Just don’t claim you were “clarifying” anything when the “clarification” reads as strokeposting…
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