remember when windows 10 was supposed to be the last os they ever made
Dude, they’re still struggling with Windows 11 adoption because of the unreasonable requirements of a TPM 2.0 capable motherboard/CPU… and they are asking people to upgrade their CPUs again?
They only started seeing real growth in Windows 11 numbers as of January of this year. Windows 11 finally hit 73% last month while Windows 10 is down to 27%. Linux continues to gain marketshare, and there’s no telling if the reason that Win 11 is finally gaining marketshare is from people dumping Windows entirely for other options. Mac and Chromebook shares have been growing as well! It took Microsoft four and a half years from release to break 50% Win 11 adoption and they want to release Win 12 on year five while forcing more upgrades when half the people who got in just upgraded?
This on top of trade wars, actual wars, and an AI arms race that is making buying PC parts obscenely overpriced… and they think people will fucking go for this?
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds. Even businesses won’t want to upgrade this soon after many only just making upgrades to meet Windows 11 requirements just recently… because businesses are also facing the same increased costs due to the above issues!
god i hope they fuck this up
They’re already fucking this up with vibe-coding Windows 11, so if they seriously go all-in on this, Windows 12 will be a bigger disaster than fucking Windows Vista and Windows Millennium Edition combined.
vista was great on compliant hardware. w11 is very much not.
Right, but that’s just it, they’re basically pulling another Vista if they release Windows 12 later this year.
It’s not clear whether Windows 12 will welcome any non-NPU processors. More likely, PCs that don’t meet its system requirements will lose some functionality.
As the article reasonably posits, it’s way more likely that they’ll just degrade the experience for people without NPUs, which in other words means decreased performance on older hardware, a la Vista on non-compliant hardware.
whoof. i still don’t understand what makes an npu different from a vector coprocessor (except the proprietary api) so if they’re smart about it they’ll fall back to gpu use. they will not be smart about it.
The suits at Microsoft are out of their fucking minds.
Yes. They are stupid and don’t deserve their huge paychecks.
They could’ve done basically nothing. Maybe security updates. And they would’ve had a decent brand that kept bringing in money. Their leadership is worse than doing nothing. A dog would make a better ceo.
Wish granted (wiggles nose)
The OS desktop environment has stagnated over the past 15 years.
Many businesses have transitioned from a 3-4 year rotation on desktops/laptops to every 5-6 years today. Hell my work laptop is 6 years old and I don’t forsee replacing it for another 3-4 years. For work functions there is no significant improvement to upgrading more frequently today.
So if they launched W12 next year, widespread adoption will likely not occur until 2032-2033 or at the Win11 EOL whichever comes first.
The developers today are working on a system that will not become mainstream for 8+ years. They want to launch in the next 2 years knowing it will not be adopted for years.
They ignoring the reality of today’s market and building to meet the latest fads. It’s Windows 8 all over again.
Yeah, most peoples needs have largely plateaued IMO.
I think it is why AI (Mostly just LLMs) have gotten so much hype. It’s something different. Desktop environments aren’t going to get much better. Mobile phones have been black rectangles for a decade with very little improvement. AI is something new, and feels like an advancement, even if 99% of the proposed use-cases have failed to actually work.
This the money comment IMo
Chromebook sales are up
So we’re not out of the woods yet
Windows 7 was arguably the last OS they ever made.
This line of thought goes all the way back to NT, and even then IBM would have some comments.
DOS was the last one they built, and they made a really decent GUI for it before they switched to NT.
And they still haven’t even finished making PowerShell anywhere near as functional as Bash or any other Linux shell environment.
I don’t outright hate PowerShell but it’s clearly a hacky afterthought after realizing Linux was eating their lunch in the server space via quick rollouts to thousands of computers at once through Bash scripting.
I find PS pretty great. Probably the best improvement to Windows since going 32-bit.
For sure, it’s a vast improvement, but there’s still so much you can’t do with it.
I disagree, you can do almost anything with powershell. There isn’t always an exact command for it, but like 95% of Windows configuration lives in the registry. If you know what to change, you can make powershell manage any setting. Which is similar to the way that Bash controls Linux, through modifying config files.
I do wish they had more/better tools for configuring the OS, but it works pretty well if you know the arcane magic of Windows.
And when it comes to being a functional script, I’d take powershell over bash any day. That’s preference, obviously, but objects instead of strings makes it way easier to move data from one process to another.
Wasn’t 7 just an visually updated NT.
everything after w2k is NT. by kernel version, its
- NT4: 4.0
- 2000: 5.0
- XP: 5.1
- Vista: 6.0
- 7: 6.1
- 8: 6.2
- 8.1: 6.3
- 10: 10.0
haven’t checked 11 but i bet you they bumped the major again.
You skipped vista, XP, and 2000.
Windows 10 arguably became passable for stability about 3 years after release… but you still had to cut out the advertising bloat, spyware, and all which undermined any gains of stability because that shit was just fucking annoying.
wasn’t advertised as such though
No, because that was a shitty headline that mischaracterized an employee’s one-off statement and was then held up as gospel truth by the internet.
it was from a press conference where they said they were done with version numbers and that windows 10 would basically be supported forever. that’s not mischaracterisation
It was from a low-level spokesperson’s statement at a press junket that the (then-current) internal versioning system was being abandoned.
It’s absolutely a mischaracterization.
i linked the junket in question.
It was certainly the last one that I voluntarily used.
Yes, like Arch but for windows
No, that is not what they said. Stop spreading this propaganda.
Absolutely, it was at the height of the “software as a service” phase and they were doing rolling updates for the Windows Insider program. For a hot minute they absolutely planned on it just being “Windows” from then on.
If you’re not ready to switch to Linux:
Windows 10 Enterprise IoT is supported until 2032, works great, contains almost no bloat, and is free to download and activate.
You can configure just about anything else you want or need using Chris Titus’ Power Shell Windows Utility.
Rufus is simple and easy to use for extracting the ISO to a USB drive, and has built in options for setting up a local account and automatically disabling telemetry options during installation.
Microslop is rabidly, desperately, sprinting-on-fire towards a closed mobile system paradigm, frothing at the mouth and glowing radioactive iridescent green with envy at Apple and Google’s silicon to application device and software ecosystem control. They want you to purchase the edge tensor hardware they need to run and train the LLMs and machine learning algorithms that will be used to analyze everything you do on your computer, perform deep learning recognition on every photo, video, and file on your hard drive, and securely export that model to themselves, advertisers, and the government at a premium, paid for by our tax dollars.
They’re burning down their own company to do it, that’s how bad they want it.
Be warned though that some installers will yell at you for not having a “compatible version of Windows”. Its rare, but some apps don’t like the enterprise editions.
My brother used to use enterprise windows 10 until he started having that vary issue with trying to play COD.
Damn, I guess he can’t play the same game that’s been rereleased annually for 20 years then huh. What a bummer
Iv already started seeing games with older versions of BE and EAC say consumer windows 10 isn’t supported any more and not working.
Trying to stay on windows 10 and be a gamer is quickly going to become a nightmare with more compatibility issues then Linux.
At this rate we’ll need a Wine/Proton that runs on Windows to allow you to run Windows software.
I haven’t experienced this with years of Enterprise use, but back when I was on Win 7 LTSC until its very end, I did get yelled at that my Windows was too old, even if it was still under official support. But then again I suppose devs don’t expect people to try to run games on heart monitors or industrial equipment xd (or whatever else LTSC is intended for)
I’m banking on the world ending before then. Or I get an incurable cancer. Either way, fuck Microsoft.
Or I get an incurable cancer.
So you are planning to upgrade?
Damn dude… Cancer over Linux?
I got Linux, but like I have some OSs that rely on ancient shit I can’t get my addicted ass off of
Have you given ReactOS a try?
ReactOS is a free, opensource reimplementation of windows https://reactos.org/
Damn, a somewhat disenshittified Windows that still has support??
It’s the barest of bones. I use it for one of my consulting machines in the times I’m forced to run windows.
I use W10 Enterprice IoT LTSC for everything. Mainly for gaming. No problems at all, though I play single player games only.
To shreds you say?
Its not enough for me to see linux do better. Microslop needs to suffer.
I check the stock markets daily just waiting for that fkn line to drop even further.
So they’re going to try to get everyone to buy new hardware when there is a shortage of ram and storage and they are ridiculously overpriced.
The timing of this couldn’t be worse.
Pass the popcorn.
“Don’t worry about that, you can just run it in the cloud for an eternal subscription” - Microslop.
Or just spend a couple of months of growing pains slowly switching everything over to Linux and spend all that cash on something fun.
Real men of genius
Me: Using 11 year old PC. Originally rjnning Windows 7. Now running ZorinOS.
I don’t particularly like linux, but…
looks at Windows 10…11…now 12…
Yeah, fuck that dumpster fire.
Congratulations for saving yourself from Winslopshitification
As long as you are not blasting away on random sites downloading every link you see then you are pretty safe. The old days of a hacker getting into your PC because you forgot to update your firewall are kind of gone.
Wrong on a ton of levels.
You can get infected by drive-by malware. It’s actually quite common. Zero interaction required on your part.
Running an outdated operating system or software like a browser makes you even more susceptible to this
You can, but that doesn’t mean you will. Unless you’re raw dogging your pc fully exposed on the internet there’s no way for malware to go to you, you have to go to it.
You can pick up malware from a website or an advert on a website. You can pick it up by a friend bringing an infected device and attaching it to your home network. You can pick it up from a phishing link or attachment. You can run an IoT device that downloads malware and propagates it to other machines on your network. You can install a dodgy app on your phone. You can run an application that has a chain of dependencies down to some obscure backdoored library (xz). You can run software that downloads automatic updates and whose update server was compromised (Notepad++) or whose signing certificate was compromised. You can be the victim of a sophisticated supply chain attack (SolarWinds was corporate but it could happen to any complex software). Those are just the first few that spring to mind. And you can pick it up because someone else in your family did any one of these things or many others.
Malware isn’t just for people who do obviously dangerous things like downloading cracks and keygens. There are many vectors for it to get in.
I’ve had a Win 7 running for 12 years as a media server, never once been hacked.
ISPs and even old school Win 7 to Win 10 OSs have the old ports blocked by default that prevent “drive-by malware”.
What you are talking about is the equivalent of a Boogeyman that only exists because people are stupid about what they open up or install or allow to control their firewalls. Your points even prove that.
You can open a Netscape browser on Windows 95 and not get hacked. But of course you believe opening a browser opens you wide up so just ignore what I say.
You can open a Netscape browser on Windows 95 and not get hacked.
Makes sense, you wouldn’t be able to use 99% of today’s sites anyway due to not supporting TLS.
Same exact experience. Lemmings being ignorant. What else is new?
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It’s not paranoia but verifiable fact…
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Modern day threats are not always visible like your computer flashing naughty stuff on your screen or overtaking your computer. Those exists but it’s more about surveillance and control of information.
Especially when companies like Google, Apple and Microsoft are in on it. US and Israel probably already get your files, but if you don’t update, Russia, China, and North Korea will probably will set up shop inside your PC.
One of my 2 PCs already switched to linux because of mandatory TPM 2.0 for windows.
It’s like they want us to leave their ecosystem. Requiring hardware changes in the middle of a major component crisis, one that they are in no small part responsible for, is certainly a choice.
when one understands the unified and singular nature of existence, its easier to see how the greed driving the actions of those in power is also the necessary call for others to respond. with the call getting louder and more extreme, many are waking up to the truth of their reality. anyone hoping life will go back to normal will not survive the transformation, only those who embrace change as a necessary growth opportunity to overcome darker elements of our collective culture and experience. for example, we all understand the sickness if an individual pedo, but we have yet to fully expose and understand the breadth of the affliction. It will continue to reveal itself like an infected wound that can no longer be ignored and must be treated. so yes, they do want us to leave their platform only they don’t know it and they will only inspire a better one to be built with a purpose beyond individual gain. The enshitification is a blessing.
I think I’m too sober for this shit.
Brother, I hope so.
I feel like this is something the autistic brain notices a lot, and may regular folks not so much.
Sloperating System
Petition to call Microsoft employees Sloppy Joes
However, newer processors with dedicated Neural Processing Units (NPUs) reduce strain on cloud servers and GPUs. As a result, PCWorld believes that CPUs, including Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI chips that support 40 TOPS or more, will become mandatory
in other words, your pc will be doing ai shit for someone else’s pc while you are idle
They couldn’t afford enough electricity to run it in-house so now they just run a mandated botnet to make you pay for it instead. If this isn’t a page out of a George Orwell novel, it should have been.
2026 even has newspeak in the form of bullshit like “unalive”
That’s called algospeak.
AI@home baby!
I called it many years ago.
Wish I found somebody dumb enough to bet money against it. I’d be, like, dollars richer maybe.
That’s not at all what that means, nor does it make any sense.
don’t forget to subscribe to our AI for $$/month, Microslop probably
Windows is already occupying your hardware and network with “telemetry”. I would be surprised if telemetry overhead alone was all that was needed to burden modern hardware and yet when i boot into windows those fans never shut up.
Making windows worse, AI, and forced CPU upgrades in this economy? There really is something for everyone to hate here.
You’ll get an affordable dumb terminal with SaaS subscription and ID check.
With what silicon? Every business already invested in upgrades, try to do it again now with RAM as unobtainium? lol, LMAO even.
I’ll take this as a sign to continue converting as many of my friends and family to whichever Linux distro fits them best.
I should get an AMD gpu at some point. Fuck MicroSlop.
Honest question. As someone who has used and loved MacOS for many years, what would be the best Linux distro for me?
For a new user, the most important things are usually a familiar feeling desktop environment, comprehensive default hardware support, and plenty of documentation in case you need it. The most important anti-things are needing to learn a bunch of new concepts right away, needing to use the command line, and experimental things that are known to break regularly.
Since you’re a Mac user, I would suggest KDE over Gnome for a desktop environment. Even though the default Gnome application bar looks very Mac-like and the default bar on KDE looks very windows-like, the rest of the KDE desktop feels much more Mac-like.
For the rest, you will want to use a common distro with a wide user base and a long history targeted at desktop users.
For those reasons, I would suggest either Kubuntu, or Fedora KDE.
Stick with MacOS, Apple isn’t shitting the bed nearly as hard as MS(lop). If you really want to switch, Mint is nice as a starter, and Bazzite, while intended for gaming, is mich, much more solid than I expected and is totally usable as a daily driver.
Been using bazzite nearly a year now. I also have mint installed thinking bazzite wouldn’t be a great daily. I was proven wrong. Bazzite is great.
Have you used the latest macOS 26? The UI is terrible and constant bugs and glitches with the new liquid glass look.
elementary os.
I would sugest debian, it has the same “just works”-feel to it, and the gnome desktop environment shares some design philosophy with macos. The main downside is that it is often a couple of years behind on software updates. Is this is a dealbreaker, I recommend mint for all, fedora when you need redhat-only software and debian-sid if you feel adventurous.
All that said, if you have a good mac currently, it has the same UNIX-benefits as linux. Using “homebrew” as a package manager and “better touch tool” for the desktop tweaks solves most problems, this is what I do. You may of course want to run linux only software, if this is you then double check if you also need an x86-64 cpu (as opposed to arm) before reinstalling.
If you’re used to the UI and UX of Mac OS and not Windows then almost any distro will be rough. There’s Elementary OS that at surface level looks like Mac OS, but then you use the actual Linux programs and they’re just Linux programs.
I think the most popular one is similar- Ubuntu
Install Linux, Problem Solved.
This is the Year of the Linux Desktop.
I’m trying :( but they don’t work well enough on my stupid machine
Post to the appropriate community, someone will help.
I’ve tried :( just seems it’s not possible
I must say, I am very curious about your system now. Feel free to send me a message if you want some help.
Oh, I just have a surface pro 7. Since it’s microslop-build, getting the touch screen and pen to work properly might be impossible, since I couldn’t get it to be good enough even with the linux-surface-kernel, and have not really found any hope online. As my main use for the thing is art, rendering it useless just to get it on linux isn’t exactly something I want… :(
I kinda gave up for now and switched to win10 since I don’t enjoy distro hopping. I might just have to wait until the linux-surface-kernel evolves to be more compatible or I find some solid confirmation someone has managed to make the thing work perfectly with a distro…
surface pro 7 Oof, some of those surface devices have been especially painful to get working (or impossible in some rare cases). I did just see this which is an active project and may end up being helpful if you try again https://github.com/linux-surface/linux-surface
Yeah… :( I got this before win11 was a thing, but had there been other viable options for what I needed, I wouldn’t have bought anything microsoft-made in the first place
Can i flawlessly run Photoshop, mine raft java, FFXIV, steam and all games, Media player classic. Music bee without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows? No, I thought so, I’ll come back once I can use the things I use daily without an issue and without having to install 6 different things to make stuff work
Ubuntu is neat the few times I used it though.
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Windows is only “easy” because you’re used to it. Coming to it fresh, windows 11 is such a shit show sometimes.
Minecraft works on Linux,
FFXIV works on Linux (it works on the steam deck which runs Linux, so it will work natively just like in windows),
Steam itself works on Linux just the same.
win11 is a shitshow coming from win10
Would you also claim the diesel cars are worthless because you can’t use regular gas in them? No, I thought so
Photoshop is trash.
Minecraft works just fine (it’s Java for crying out loud)
Steam works natively. Valve’s most popular hardware device runs Linux.
Media player classic
You want to use a garbage Windows built-in application on Linux?
without having to deal with work around and terminal garbage as easy as I can windows?
Two things here;
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You can get around on Linux without a terminal
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The terminal is king in functionality
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Windows requires a command line for many things also, this isn’t a Linux only thing
If you come to Linux expecting it to work like Windows and run all Windows applications, then you’re setting yourself up for failure with bad-faith expectations.
Photoshop is trash.
Krita is simply great.
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Media player classic is not window Media player. Windows Media player is trash.
Photoshop might be trash (all of Adobe is, greedy little leeches), but it’s what I’ve been using it for like 22 years now and I’ve tried to use gimp but it’s just not the same, same with krita.
I know steam and MC work, I was just listing stuff I use, I think music bee might even have a Linux version, and he’ll Linux might even have something better than Music bee. It usually does for media players.
I never insulted Linux, I have no idea why people act like I do. Maybe me choosing I ubuntu might be insulting, but Linux having 6k options for me to pick is my own choice.
You literally insulted Linux tho…?
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Freedom isn’t for everyone I guess.
I was warned the Linux community would be harsh even if it’s just sarcasm.
We’re a welcoming bunch for those who want to be welcomed lol
I do and don’t. I want the stuff I use to work and I want a seamless transition as is going from android to iPhone or windows to mac. But this is all dependent of what distro I use and what my uses are. Which is what makes Linux so unique and great versus windows having bloatware hell and 3 versions which are all basically identical plus AI slop.
I do and don’t.
Well you can’t have both 1 and 0. And it seems like you are choosing 0.
You have your demands but part of moving to Linux is accepting things will be different. Mostly in a better way, but you’ll also not have everything from your Windows experience. Sitting around waiting for Photoshop to come to Linux, you’ll be sitting until retirement and beyond.
You could always dual boot? Or run Windows in a VM for when you need Photoshop.
I just partitioned my drive thinking I might need windows for occasional tasks. I spend 99% of my time in Linux. I’ve only switched over a few times really just to organize old things. I’ll likely eventually just do away with windows to free up the space. I don’t really spend time in the console and spend less time solving issues in linux than I did in windows. For a lot of things, stuff just works.
the thing is that if you are fresh gnu/linux guy there’s usually a store app where you can install software with no problems at all and as you get more familiar with gnu/linux you can start digging that terminal stuff
and those apps you said really sucks…
This right here is what’s keeping me from switching to Linux for now. My work PC is also my gaming PC. I need to run Adobe InDesign, Illustrator and Photoshop flawlessly for work, and online games for leisure.
I checked out alternatives, and while Photoshop has a few that are decent, InDesign and Illustrator alternatives are really not there yet for professional use. (Also Adobe programs are reportedly broken af when ran on Wine/etc., and I don’t have 2 GPUs to run them on virtual machine.)
As for gaming, one of my daily driver games is Genshin, and I don’t want to risk getting banned bc I run it via some obscure launcher from GitHub that also makes the game crash on some new releases. Outside of Genshin, according to ProtonDB only 51% my Steam library is Platinum or Gold compatibility, 10% are various levels of broken, and 39% has no Linux support information.
These barriers tend to get dismissed by Linux users, but they do exist, and are probably barriers to others too. With a Windows 10 Enterprise install from massgrave then clamped down with O&O Shutup, I get rid of Microsoft’s bullshit and get an OS that I know can run all of my programs without problems. (At least for the next few years lol, until Win10 ends all support.)
For now, this setup works better for my needs, but I’m eagerly awaiting the time I can finally make the jump to Linux, and I find news like Photoshop installer being able to run on Linux and leaks that Genshin will get released on Steam (hopefully even on Deck) quite promising.
My work PC is also my gaming PC as well, but I’ve been on Linux full time for about 6 years. You do have some of the clear sticking points that won’t work well. Photoshop is probably the only Adobe app that does work well, because there has been such interest for a long time, but the newest versions specifically fight you. I suspect that newer versions (which professionals are usually using) have been intentionally hobbled by Adobe to prevent their use. Genshin Impact is one of the few cases where there is absolutely no work around right now and I honestly have no idea why.
If your steam catalog is anything like mine (read: huge and been around a long time), I wouldn’t focus so much on the percentages from SteamDB. We both know that we’re not going back and playing most of those games from 15+ years that came in bundles :) I went through my games a while back and found that only about 5% of my catalog I would actually consider playing or re-playing wouldn’t work. It does directly come into play when looking at new games to purchase, but the vast majority these days launch as playable or get there shortly after.
Hopefully one day you can escape.
I know youre just trolling around, but wtf would you need mpc for?
All of the shit you wrote have equal or better alternatives outside of windows (inb4 religious ps nuts), but if youre a die hard fanatic for closed source apps that never will be ported by their developers, youre stuck with windows until your grave.
Have fun lol
How can anyone upgrade to a new PC when there is no Ram or hard disks available? This is a crazy time to try to push that.
God it feels good to be Windows free by this point.
