• miz [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    4 days ago

    reposting this Boise_idaho comment from the news mega

    Interesting commentary (alongside the dude just ranting):
    https://xcancel.com/DavidHundeyin/status/2071760347799683534

    3 days after Traoré is all over the news for breaking off diplomatic relations with France, which gets a good reception, some obscure christian zionist Twitter handle puts out a bullshit tweet portraying a routine change of an accredited Israeli ambassador (based in Cote d’Ivoire) as “Traoré developing closer ties with Israel” and you bunch supposedly “anti-imperialist” dumbasses fall for the headfake instantly without making any attempt to even understand what you are looking at.

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]@hexbear.net
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      I’ve been coming to believe through threads like these that the leading ideology of Hexbear is “Marxism-Leninism-Gobshitism”: people with underdeveloped leftist ideas come to Hexbear; eventually become reliant on Hexbear for their social needs; and what ends up happening because of this arrangement is that “leftism” here just becomes a series of memes that people endlessly quote at each other as a signifier of group belonging, or “kulture” as I call it. I wonder if some of the people here have subconsciously convinced themselves that by merely being on Hexbear, they’re developing their understanding of the world, as if developing one’s knowledge through this site doesn’t require active will, effort, and struggle, just as developing one’s knowledge through any other means.

      So, many people here make no effort at deeper understanding: trying to have the correct reaction to a headline at a glance alone, is merely a game of call and response to see who belongs here the most.

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        Over time I’ve increasingly felt the same. I like to delve into the weeds and why people do the things they do, it’s my way of reconciling contradictory narratives that all appeal to something that’s fact; “seeking truth from facts” basically. But instead I often get people jumping to conclusions or making hyperbolic statements that I’m getting increasingly tired from.

        When I recently asked for counternarratives to the Western narrative that explains the jihadist insurgencies in the Sahel (“AES and Russia did too many war crimes, we were right to warn them about the Russians”), the few answers that I did get were short “the French are funding terrorists” narratives, which to me just seems like a mirror of liberals handwaving dissent as “Russian interference”.

        On Lemmygrad I got a longer response but the only alternative explanation for people joining that jihadist groups was just “poverty”, which felt incomplete because not every poor place turns to militancy simply when given the chance. And I still felt like I was being told to just take their word that the Sahel states won’t fall like Syria did, where foreign funding of HTS doesn’t explain why the Syrian Arab Army just fled and let them take the country.

      • miz [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        it has its flaws but this is the only social space I have that isn’t suffocating in capitalist death sludge making me feel like I’m the only person who gives a shit

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          All but one Chinese person who I’ve discussed Palestine with is pro Palestine. The pro Israel one was hanging out with a pro Israel German dude and I think was just bad at English and uninformed as he seemed to know nothing.

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        But but but but but le hexBORING tunkies love authoritarianism!!!

        (A lot of situations more local to me don’t feel particularly well understood on here but I’m sympathetic to those willing to look past the reflexive thinking reinforced throughout life)

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    I get the general sense that Traoré et al are more national liberationists than anti-imperialists. And the veneration of Sankara is in a similar vein. But I am really unsure about what the underlying political realities are.

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    Yeah I’m gonna wait until I hear the justifications/corrections about this visit from actual officials of Troare’s government and not from the self-serving mouth of some blood diamond zionist hawk who lies as he breathes

    Either this is kayfabe to buy time to prevent American drone strikes or the US helping France arm ISIS…

    Or Troare is a zionist all of a sudden, time and more info is needed

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    Why act so surprised that one of the poorest nations on earth is forced into geopolitical pragmatism? You have forgiven streamers for worse.

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      I don’t know if this is directed at me personally, but I don’t forgive streamers, let alone follow any of them. This tendency of always having to defend the indefensible is probably one of the most annoying things in our community. Sometimes you can just let people be upset or disappointed when a bad thing happens. It doesn’t automatically mean that people will drop all support. The term “critical support” exists for a reason.

      Also, using the excuse of them being poor to defend an anti-imperialist leader for strengthening ties with Israel is quite something when there are poor countries out there (like Yemen and Cuba, just to name a few) who chose to stand with the oppressed over so called “geopolitical pragmatism” when dealing with a genocidal apartheid state.

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        It depends entirely on the implementation, & whether they have the resilience to manage foreign capital. I disagree with the moral framing of trade ties in general, so there is no excuse involved. Yemen is whole other can of chicken, of course ideally we would all be Yemen, unilaterally close off the first world to force a reorganization of the imperialist structure into something compatible & not parasitic. Yemen is struggling & the non-aligned movement is practically dead. If you disagree that foreign investment controls can be used to redirect resources from hostile nations into positive results, we can wait and see. I wouldn’t justify Brazil having military ties to Israel left over from Bolsonaro, different position, different ties, I only compare them because we could do so using headline-reaction moral outrage.

        No, I’m not monitoring your media consumption habits, when a post gets a lot of interaction I tend to just ignore the comments & let people fight it out, it wasn’t directed at you specifically

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        I don’t understand what this meeting was for, knowing shit about geopolitics really it seems like it wasn’t strengthening or weakening ties with anybody at all. Could someone smarter explain why this happened and what exactly the meeting is for? And what that means for strengthening ties?