Probably for the best.
Honestly, anything he would have made would have been better than the dumpster fire that was the sequel trilogy.
Am I the only one on planet earth that sort of enjoys the prequel movies?
You turn off your brain and ignore all the plot holes and silliness and cheesiness, just like any other Star Wars content, including the first movies.
It’s not that serious lol. It’s not made to be that serious.
Somehow, Jar Jar Binks survived…
“Meesa back!”
I hate you for making me hear that in proper Jar Jar voice in my head
Yeah, the films have really dropped off in quality, but I love the TV series and did enjoy the recent Mandalorian film. It didn’t try to stray outside of its lane as a localized Star Wars story and a summer blockbuster.
Yeah honestly they just need to drop the idea of Canon try something if it doesn’t work out drop what didn’t work and try again. Not everything based on a universe needs to be connected.
Maybe, but what’s leaked from the story treatments did not inspire a ton of confidence. I guess it might have been more thought-provoking?
I mean I would have had deep concerns, but there’s no way it would have been worse than what we actually got.
You really mean that?
seems like this story changes every few years. back in the 90s it was “yeah I got 6 more” and then it was “no I don’t have anything post Jedi” and then he says he does, and then he doesn’t, or then the sequels are about Leia and then they’re not.
People don’t remember their own history very well. Back then, he may have certainly had ideas floating around for more movies, but never considered them “real ideas”
Over time those thoughts turned into real story plots in his head, and it’s perfectly reasonable for him to remember them as being more fully thought out then they were.
I think you’re being a little generous here. He is all over the place over the years, and kind of just doesn’t care. Whatever was the last version of it that flitted through his head was what he’d claim he always intended. Our friend George is also very much NOT a proponent of the death of the author.
He had a bible he gave to Abrams, which was quickly tossed. Then Abrams boasted on his bible, even posting pictures of the old and new cast in a (supposedly) 3-pic story meeting; and then it turned out Abrams’ bible didn’t even exist (exposed by the reaction to Rian Johnson’s turn).
The sequels were more fun than the prequels, but they were stupid.
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I would happily trade everything Disney Star Wars in exchange for another Lucas trilogy.
I think Lucas really excelled when he was pushing against the limits of technology and budget and those limits really held him or n a sweet spot for story telling he would naturally push himself out of.
Anything he makes now would be like the prequels.
He excelled when he wasn’t surrounded by Yes Men
He excelled when other people did all the character writing.
And editing.
Is that a bad thing? The prequels are great. Far better than anything Disney have released.
If you read all the extended universe stuff that existed to explain the clone wars you would understand how bad the sequels are to a starwars project.
It isn’t any better than some of the tv failed projects like wheel of time, sword if truth, shannara, American gods.
It’s absolutely hollow after learning about the star wars lore through those characters.
There are some great moments and people in the sequels. But as a whole they made star wars worse. Find and read the thrawn trilogy, or the rogue squadron books if you want a glimpse at what could have been.
Considering Lucas took a lot of interest and veto over what stories were allowed to be published so that the world fit his idea instead of corrupting it, you just can’t see the prequels or sequels as anything but terrible.
I’m not sure I agree with the proposition that the prequels are far better than the Disney movies.
Phantom menace had some serious pacing and tone issues. The other two were better but I don’t j ow I’d say they are far better than Disney. They held to the cannon way more but that was its own weakness in the core plot which really kept them from being entirely interesting.
I will say the Disney movies are much better paced than the prequels. Well that’s not true that one slow space chase with the side quest on planets was a major drag. The first Disney movie was better paced than the prequels.
Lucas is just as bad as Disney.
Worse in some ways.It’s a tough call.Lucas is more than competent as a storyteller. He just needs someone else to do the directing.
He is surprisingly good at storytelling despite having nothing to say.
Only when he had a decent Editor is he a good story teller
He had Indiana Jones LITERALLY ride off into the sunset at the end of the third movie. The most over the top cliche thing for a hero to do. And he dragged him back to make another one about aliens. >:(
George couldn’t write a good "fall from grace " story for Anakin cuz he was living his own.
That was Spielberg not George.
Not OP but while Spielberg directed Last Crusade, the film was written by Jeffrey Boam, George Lucas, and Menno Meyjes. Lucas clearly had a strong influence beyond just the writing as well, judging by things like the R2D2 hidden in the hieroglyphics in the first movie and the Club Obi Wan in the second.
Directed by Spielberg but George co-wrote and actually created the idea for the character too.
He’s always been a bad director, others make up his slack. He’s a good idea and business man.
And Spielberg has to reel in GL during Crystal Skull, yet even I thought I was on acid during that fucking movie
The problem with the Crystal Skull is Lucas was gung ho about making a '50s era sci-fi style movie and everyone else just wanted to have fun filming another adventure story with their friends. If they had just picked a lane either way, it would have been better.
I’m okay with that for Indiana Jones, because Indiana Jones is Cliche Adventure Man. There have been a lot of Cliche Adventures Man, and Indiana Jones is the Cliche Adventure Man with the highest production value. When Indiana Jones throws a mook off a rope bridge, the filming dummy has electrically powered flailing arms. He punches the bad guy and gets the girl in the end. It’s great!
Right, but George took that away from Indiana Jones. They had him ride off into the sunset, live happily ever after, but no. He was a bankable IP and they wanted more money, despite how it would ruin the ending they already gave to the character
Lucky Luke rides off into the sunset in every movie. Doesn’t mean that is the end of him.
It signals the end of the movie, not the end of the character.
You’re saying someone can’t end a character’s story by LITERALLY having them ride off into the sunset? Kind of an odd rule.
And if you think losing a hand and watching your friend get kidnapped is a happy ending akin to “riding off into the sunset” then you just have a fundamental misunderstanding of movies in general.
I’m okay with more Indiana Jones being made, because it’s an adventure serial. My problem was it wasn’t done well.
OT is still the only thing worth watching imo. The rest is just gobblty gook.
I agree but with the only exception being Rogue One. That one is pretty solid.
yeah I’ve heard that, but then after suffering through the prequels, and even giving the new movies a chance, I had to hang it up. And I like the clone wars cartoons.
But nah. For me it all goes up on the shelf. I have to evaluate it as a franchise and its just utterly incoherent and more “whyyyyyyy”, over-explained, breaking the suspension of disbelief, rehashed, fan-service, panel tested, corpo-garbage.
Forget that it’s Star Wars. Watch Rogue One then Andor. I’m not really a SW fan, but this combo is legitimately great.
Watch Rogue One then Andor.
What is it with Star Wars people always going backwards?
Joking aside, Andor is absolutely one of the top series of all time, no matter the category. It is excellently done.
Also, joking aside… I liked Rogue One alright when it came out, but it’s jarring to watch after Andor imho.
Serious answer: because the point of a prequel is that you have the knowledge of what comes later from having seen the precursor movie(s).
I’m a believer in watching things in release order.
I can’t fucking stand Andor, will never understand why such a terrible show gets praise. Gave up after the Heist Arc, which was nothing but a bunch of unlikable twats bitching that Cassian Andor wasn’t one of the cool kids, then they do a long ass marching scene, then they all die. I should have liked their deaths because of how truly disgusting they were, but honestly I felt nothing.
Same. I never got past the first half of the season just because of how boring it was. Everything is slow and nothing happens.
The ending could be amazing, but I am not going to bother if I have to claw myself to it. I got better shows to watch.
I expected to get down voted into oblivion. Instead I find a kindred spirit. That’s good.
Andor did nothing but waste my time and the fanbase is incredibly toxic, unable to accept any criticism of the show without resorting to insults about how “Oh you can’t pay attention without lightsaber fights.”
Nothing happens in this show. I really tried to pay attention but the dead air had me reaching for my phone.
Just 30 plus minutes of people complaining about Andor being on their team and doing nothing to endear me to them. One of them wrote a book… woo…
And on the episode with the heist actually happening, it opens with fifteen minutes of marching. No dialogue, nothing of note. Just marching. Why?
And the show doesn’t even seem to be made by someone who actually likes Star Wars. Why do they have realistic guns? Why are there dudes in military uniforms instead of Stormtroopers? Are they embarrassed by Star Wars imagery?
Andor is a snoozefest that excells at wasting the audience’s time. I wouldn’t mind the talking scenes if people talked about anything of substance, but it’s always Empire Bad. I get Empire Bad, it’s the premise of the setting. I don’t need to be reminded Empire Bad.
Other way around.
Andor then R1
I certainly understand the logic behind watching things chronologically. But, I believe watching them in release order is much better.
Take, as an example, ::: spoiler K-2SO (spoiler below) Doesn’t it make it better you know who K-2SO is when watching Andor, and it’s introduction in S02E08 of Andor hit that much harder already knowing the character?:::
My friend told me to watch Rogue One but I didn’t. Then he told me to watch Andor and I did. It was amazing. So I went ahead and watched Rogue One.
If I had watched Rogue One first, I would absolutely not have watched Andor. It was…ok. The pacing kind of sucked. Way too many characters and you hardly got to know them. Basically all the parts about Star Wars I didn’t like but more serious.
Andor is just a fantastic show in pretty much every way. You can forfet about the Star Wars connection entirety, you don’t need any knowledge of the franchise going in. I highly recommend it to everyone
If you ever get the urge to try again, I recommend Rogue One and Andor. Pretty much the only good things to come out of Disney doing Star Wars.
Dude, Rogue One is SOOO good. Light years beyond the prequels and sequels. I like it better than Return of the Jedi. Jedi has so much silliness and kid stuff that’s nowhere present in R1. R1’s darkness feels like Empire.
You won’t be sorry.
I would just say that if someone loves the OT and just wants more of that then R1 isn’t going to make them happy. Honestly TFA is as close as you’re going to get to “more OT but make it fresh”. R1 is more like Star Wars through a completely different lens. Also digital Tarkin sucked. Had they just hired Charles Dance, the Tarkin scenes would’ve been 1000% better. That was as big a miss as not hiring Haley Joel Osmet for TPM.
But if someone loves the Start Wars universe and just wants more interesting things within it, then R1 is the juice. It’s recognizably Star Wars without being too familiar or a rehash of what has been done before.
Also digital Tarkin sucked.
Your opinion.
I wasn’t aware that was a remotely controversial opinion. I’ve never heard it described as more than adequate at best.
Not controversial, just garden variety fanboy bitching, and tiresome.
Andor/R1 is the only post OT that matters.
Rouge pne is absolute garbage too.
People look at the OT with such rose-colored glasses. There’s so much of it that isn’t great.
IMO the cracks don’t form until Return of the Jedi.
People are hyper-critical of all movies/shows these days while also being media illiterate. Expecting a 100% cohesive plot, and pretending they’re a critic because some Youtuber points out movie structure and plot devices.
And no, seeing a plot device doesn’t mean a movie or a show is bad. It just means you recognized a story telling narrative device.
CinemaSins and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Yeah it’s campy. But as long as it’s not the sloppified version, it’s fine. I don’t mind films of that era.
Eh, even Return of the Jedi had strong signs of where he wanted to lead things. Toys, toys, toys.
Yeah, but I think it holds up better than the others. A New Hope has some let’s say… moments… that don’t hold up. But like, I’ll rewatch RoTG and it’s still fun.
Idk. If no new movies had been made, the OT would at least be in my top ten, top five even(?) for fun science fantasy.
But the perpetual rehash makes it unable to get into my top 50. Maybe not even top 100. The more crap they produce the less I like it.
Yup. I hate how it’s possible for a film to be spoiled by the very existence of bad sequels
I agree but I also think the prequels fit into the story even if they’re not as good. But the three that came after the OT don’t make a lot of sense. The last of the three is not even star wars it’s so generic
Plenty worth reading, though.
We know? This has been known since the 80’s? Hello?
Not everyone was born before the 80’s in order to experience this becoming a known fact… And if it’s documented, not everyone will look shit like that up, because how would you know to look that up.
Other people than yourself can know more, or know less, than you. A certain number of years after birth, most children learn this fact. 😜
I’m bummed we never got Darth Darth Binks.
And then we got knife map!!
I don’t think Georgie would have accidentally told a story about how liberal democracy invariably creates the conditions for fascism though, or how even when the good guys beat the first wave it will do nothing to address the systemic flaws that created it, trapping the culture in a cycle of fascist attacks and ever consolidating wealth.
Even with a mystical order of Zen knights that gets actual guidance from the collective consciousness of life itself making the process take a thousand generations instead of ten.
One day people will come around on the sequels like they did for the prequels.
I’ve ranted about this too many times but I think this is a classic shallow take. The prequels didn’t have a resurgence in appreciation because people grew up with them and therefore found them good, they just over time were judged by their merits instead of their expectations. I think if someone watched Episode 1 cold, they’d find one of the better Scifi films out there. I don’t think there’s been a cooler, more fast paced, multipart fight in cinema than the end of the phantom menace. Episode 2 has some terribly rough dialogue and pacing and the romance plot arc but it undeniably has style and flair and aura that few scifi films have been able to match. The chrome ships of Naboo… Fuck I’m ranting again.
The prequels are not what the original generation wanted from star wars films. They are however good, if not flawed films, that expand the world, have an artistic vision, and have a cohesive underlying story they’re trying to tell. It’s not the meme’s that keep the movies alive it’s the world and the world is 100% better off for having the prequels in them.
The sequels are the complete opposite. They’re bad films or at best lazy okay films, that shrink the world while ruining the past lore, that do not have an artistic vision, that do not have an underlying story they’re trying to tell. There is no rise of fascism through a failing democracy level of artistry, there is no pure heroes falling to corruption due to beaucracy and a loss of their original purpose, etc. There isn’t even a vibe or an aesthetic that is worth pursuing in the sequels in my opinion - and why that is I don’t really know, because I believe a lot of horribly talented people put their hearts into the appearance of the sequels but there’s nothing that comes to mind that feels like it fits the vibe and is entirely new. But that’s subjective. What’s not subjective is that they shrunk the world, reversed the progress, contradicted the lore, and failed to provide new fertile ground for stories. I don’t think someone walks away from any of the sequels individually or collectively and is inspired to tell new star wars stories where as the originals and the prequels all had that power.
IMO the sequels can be summed up with the words, “somehow, palpatine returned”. It indicates the laziness that the sequels were approached with.
I thought the first one was more of just “A New New Hope”
Yeah, all three of them paralleled the OT pretty closely, from starting on Tatooine, meeting up with fugitives/refugees of the bad guys, leaving on the falcon, meeting Han and Chewie, main antagonist in black costume/mask, MC wins confrontation at the end. Then goes to a remote planet to meet a hermit jedi master that trains her a bit before she must return to an obvious trap to help her friends who had their own narrative for the movie, they get betrayed by the help they seek in a flashy looking location, battle on white planet where they need to hold the enemy off while they make their escape (this happens at the end rather than the start, but clearly they were intending to draw parallels). Last one visits the second death star, ends in a showdown where the former apprentice turns on his former master (albeit with Snoke as a middle man, still unclear if Snoke was Palpatine in a rushed clone or a puppet of Palp but his own person).
bro, i read the whole thing. spot on!
The prequels are still bad. They’re just better than the sequels.
The prequels at least had a singular vision behind them.
The prequels aren’t better than the sequels. They’ve just been made into memes
But then why are there no sequel memes? Except for “somehow X returned”, which is purely derogatory towards the sequels.
I mean I don’t like the sequel trilogy but also
“The sacred texts!”
It was funny when it was the deep fried cam version
We also got “They fly now!” as another derogatory meme. At least The Sacred Texts isn’t just making fun of the movies, so it counts as a good quote.
Sequel trilogy was bad and “Duel of Fates” with Anakin and Obi wan is still a top tier scene. Even if you take out all the memes. Hell there’s many good scenes in the prequels. It’s not perfect though, Ep 1 specifically has way too much politics of trade wars and federation drama.
Can’t really remember any good battles or fights from any of the three sequel movies.
Completely ignoring the chud “mary sue” or “black guy” complaints… The biggest problem was the lack of direction.
One writer wanted Rey to have a linked lineage and be “the chosen one” while the other wanted to take a different approach and have a “everyone can be a hero and does not have to be chosen.” Each movie the other writer retconed what the other set up.
- The whole dagger matching the crash site was ass
- The Chewbacca death fake out was stupid
- General hux was absolutely wasted
- The sith language corrupting c3po only for that to be a fake out was ass
- rey was training to duel lightsaber weild via her staff combat and that was wasted. ,(I think Duel of Fates would have been less hated)
- no explanation on how Maz Kanta got Luke’s lightsaber
- Palpatine coming back with no explanation
- sith holocron being a Mcguffin
- the ending of Rise of Skywalker. What the hell was that
- Mara Jade erasure. Luke deserved a baddie.
I thought force awakens was okay The last Jedi wasn’t great Rise of Skywalker is unwatchable
The fucking holdo maneuver
Rise of Skywalker?
Not on your life
Yeah I blame the fans. They bitched about having their expectations subverted in Last Jedi and Rey not being a Skywalker… so the next movie gives her an important lineage and makes her an honorary Skywalker and suddenly giving fans what they ask for is a bad thing.
The only thing wrong with Rise of Skywalker are Poe and Finn getting girlfriends out of nowhere in a blatant attempt to stop the fans from shipping them… (ironically in a movie with a gay kiss… a blink and you miss gay kiss admittedly) well that and Chewbaca’s fake out death.
Yeah I blame the fans.
Certainly the people who actually make the sequels can bear no blame!
Pandering to fans is IMO a mistake by the creators, unless they can do so without compromising their vision. Like I think Lucas made a mistake pandering to the Jar Jar hate. No idea whether he was intended to be Plaguis or some other dark horse but I think it’s pretty clear from Episode I that there was more to that character than just providing childish comic relief. I wish he hadn’t caved to the pressure and stuck with whatever he had originally intended.
The prequels still stuck and always will.
Especially Attack of the Clones. When do the clones even attack? They don’t do that till the next movie during Order 66.
Pretty sure the clones do attack the robots at the end of ep 2? And a large part of the plot is Obi-Wan finding out the enemy was raising said army of clones, so that was the expected threat. The Jedi just walked in and said yeah that’s mine yoink.
Came around on the prequels? Man, there were only ever two watchable Star Wars movies.
Empire and Rogue One?
Maybe one.
I didn’t come around on the prequels, they just made funny memes. Those movies are horrible.
No they won’t
You dont “come around” for shit.
The sequels aren’t even bad, people just freaked out because “omg woman protagonist”
I’m tired of hearing how Rey is a Mary Sue when there’s no real proof of that.
“OMG she can fly the Millenium Falcon.”
Not very well, she even damages it and has to get Han to fix it.
“She beat Kylo Ren in a saber fight!”
No she barely came to a draw against a man trying his damndest not to bleed out from a Bowcaster shot.
If Rey was a guy, half of the complaints about the sequels wouldn’t exist.
Rey is simply not a compelling character. This has nothing to do with “omg woman protagonist”. People loved Leia.
Rey bumbles along randomly. And then randomly gains super jedi powers in an almost completely unmotivated way. There is no compelling story arc.
There are far bigger problems with those movies than any of those things.
Rey is a bad character regardless of the genitalia involved.
I assume they would have been mostly trash, but then also the ones we got instead were mostly trash so I don’t think it really matters? Maybe we would have got some memes out of it at least with Lucas?
Andor was good though so I suppose we came out ahead overall.
He retired because of the fans and their entitled anger.
Imagine 3 more prequel-quality movies 🤮
Is there someone holding a gun to your head to force you to watch them?
I never got this attitude. It is okay to not be the target demographic. Even if you were it before.
More movies = better. Even if they are shit. They do not take away anything from the movies you do enjoy.
I agree the Phantom Menace is one of the worst Star Wars movies ever. Much worse than the sequels. But even that is still an enjoyable movie compared to say Twilight.
The best OT/prequel movie, Lucas didn’t even direct.
