The first salvo of RTX 50 series GPU will arrive in January, with pricing starting at $549 for the RTX 5070 and topping out at an eye-watering $1,999 for the flagship RTX 5090. In between those are the $749 RTX 5070 Ti and $999 RTX 5080. Laptop variants of the desktop GPUs will follow in March, with pricing there starting at $1,299 for 5070-equipped PCs.
I just…I just don’t need fps and resolution that much. Godspeed to those that feel they do need it.
No one should, video graphics haven’t progressed that far. Only the lack of optimisation has.
You’re missing a major audience willing to pay $2k for these cards, people wanting to run large AI language models locally.
What if I want a ton of VRAM for blender
That is another audience & good point. There are people that want these though for other uses than gaming.
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Media production when speed and efficiency matters is probably part of a business that would have funding to justify the cost.
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I’m willing, but unable :'(
Someday I’ll be able to run something cool like that Deepseek v3 model or something. Probably when they figure out how to run them well in regular RAM, I have a shit ton of that at my disposal. Stupid VRAM. (Maybe they’ll start coming out with GPUs with slotted VRAM lol)
I’m staying on 1440p deliberately. My 3080 is still perfectly fine for a few more years, at least current console gen.
You’re not wrong. I just recently upgraded my whole machine going from a 3090 to a 4090 on 1440p and basically can’t tell the difference.
I’ve ditched my gaming PC and am currently playing my favorite game (Kingdom Come Deliverance) on an old laptop. Which means I can’t go higher than 800x480.
And honestly, the immersion works. After a couple minutes I don’t notice it anymore.
The prices are high, but what really is shocking are the power consumption figures. The 5090 is 575W(!!), while the 5080 is 360W, 5070Ti is 300W, and the 5070 is 250W.
If you are getting one of these, factor in the cost of a better PSU and your electric bill too. We’re getting closer and closer to the limit of power from a US electrical socket.
Going to need to run a separate PSU on a different branch circuit at this rate.
1000W PSU pulls max 8.3A on a 120v circuit.
Residential circuits in USA are 15-20A, very rarely are they 10 but I’ve seen some super old ones or split 20A breakers in the wild.
A single duplex outlet must be rated to the same amperage as the breaker in order to be code, so with a 5090 PC you’re around half capacity of what you’d normally find, worst case. Nice big monitors take about an amp each, and other peripherals are negligible.
You could easily pop a breaker if you’ve got a bunch of other stuff on the same circuit, but that’s true for anything.
I think the power draw on a 5090 is crazy, crazy high don’t get me wrong, but let’s be reasonable here - electricity costs yes, but we’re not getting close to the limits of a circuit/receptacle (yet).
How far out are we from gpus that also dry your laundry
Actually the National Electric Code (NEC) limits loads for 15 Aac receptacles to 12 Aac, and for 20 Aac receptacles 16 Aac iirc because those are the breaker ratings and you size those at 125% of the load (conversely, 1/125% = 80% where loads should be 80% of the break ratings).
So with a 15 Aac outlet and a 1000 Wac load at minimum 95% power factor, you’re drawing 8.8 Aac which is ~73% of the capacity of the outlet (8.8/12). For a 20 Aac outlet, 8.8 Aac is ~55%% capacity (8.8/16).
Nonetheless, you’re totally right. We’re not approaching the limit of the technology unlike electric car chargers.
The NEC limits CONTINUOUS loads to 80%, not intermittent loads. Continuous loads are things like heaters, AC units, etc. Things plugged into the wall are generally not considered continuous loads, so your breakers in a residential home are usually not derated, and receptacles never are from what I’ve seen. (Although it could be argued that a gaming computer would be a continuous load, as it runs 3+ hours for many people, but there’s still no electrician that would treat it that way, probably ever, unless it was some kind of commercial space that rented gaming seats or something. Either way it would be planned in advance)
The rule that you’re describing is for the initial planning of the circuit. It’s for the rating of your wires and overcurrent protections, which is done at the time of installation, based on the expected continuous and intermittent loads. For residential planning nobody treats a standard branch circuit for wall receptacles as somewhere you’d derate, so your 15A circuit is a 15A circuit, you don’t need to do any more math on it and derate it further.
You could make the argument that people with 5090s do run their PCs longer than 3 hours since those folk are more prone to longer bouts of gaming to feel like they’re returning on their expensive investment. And as the capabilities of our PCs become more and more robust, it will likely mean that people will more and more need to consider whether the circuit they’re plugging into will take the load they’re giving it.
Doesn’t hurt to plan for the future regarding building wiring, since most tech folk do so regarding their PC builds.
But, up on further inspection… I may be inclined to agree with you. See this thread from licensed and qualified professionals in the space.
It seems that homeowners are given a special class of immunity when it comes to manifesting hazards associated with their use of electricity. Whether or not that immunity should be granted, given that improper use of electrical equipment in a household can lead to fires and cause undue harm to the community at large, I think is up for debate.
You could make the argument that people with 5090s do run their PCs longer than 3 hours since those folk are more prone to longer bouts of gaming
I think this is what I said also, yes
Doesn’t hurt to plan for the future regarding building wiring, since most tech folk do so regarding their PC builds.
I completely agree. IMO 15A convenience circuits (normal wall circuits in residential homes) are out of date and shouldn’t be used any longer. 20A should be the minimum, but that extra copper is expensive, so it’s a balance that has to be weighed at construction.
seems that homeowners are given a special class of immunity when it comes to manifesting hazards associated with their use of electricity
No, I don’t think that’s what this is. The fact is that the NEC is for building design, not for building use. The whole reason that there’s a breaker installed that has to be matched to the correct gauge wires and the correct outlets, or whatever, is so that when the occupant does something dumb it trips long before you get enough heat to start a fire.
The NEC is not for the occupant, it’s for the architects, general contractors, and electricians. Unless you’re doing construction in your house you don’t need to worry about it at all.
Use your breakers to their capacity, but understand that the closer you get to their rating the more likely you’ll pop a breaker, or worst case start a fire if your stuff wasn’t installed well.
But you don’t have to derate your own stuff per NEC requirements, that’s not how it works.
The NEC is not for the occupant, it’s for the architects, general contractors, and electricians. Unless you’re doing construction in your house you don’t need to worry about it at all.
What I’m arguing and what those in the link I shared above argue though is that if a homeowner finds that their new PC setup is drawing more than a 15 Aac circuit breaker allows, then they have two choices: 1) downgrade the PC, or 2) upgrade the building wiring. And if they choose the latter, then they can either 1) do the upgrades themselves or 2) have those architects, general contractors, and electricians do it for them.
While I would want to think that homeowners would prefer qualified personnel do installations on their premises because such personnel understand the hazards and code requirements, I don’t think that ends up happening in many instances. If a homeowner wants to upsize their 15 Aac circuit to 20 Aac, they have now crossed the line from electricity “user” to electricity “installer”, hence activating the NEC.
If an installer knows that they’re going to install a 20 Aac breaker, then they must follow the portions of the NEC code limiting the load on that breaker to 80%. For the homeowner, they know which loads they want to hang, so this automatically means they can’t load more than 16 Aac. If instead the homeowner were to contract an electrician to do the work, it would be up to the homeowner to not disclose what kind of load they wish to place on this circuit to the electrician so there isn’t established any grounds for code violation. Bear in mind that like you say even if you run more than 16 Aac on a 20 Aac breaker it’s going to work; what we’re discussing is code violation and grounds for revoking licenses of practicing electricians, architects, engineers, etc. - and you may argue that if a homeowner does the install then they have no license to revoke, in which case should they have done the install to begin with? We run into a circle.
or worst case start a fire if your stuff wasn’t installed well.
I would wager to say that there are many competent and incompetent electricians and inspectors out in the world, and as much as we wish for good intent, I still believe greed and convenience exist to counteract that.
If you live in an older house/apartment that was built before the 1970s/1980s, perhaps a good rule of thumb would be to derate your circuits given the uncertainty surrounding those installations. If after, or if your building has undergone electrical renovations specific to the circuit you wish to load with your beast of a PC, perhaps homeowners/apartment dwellers can be more confident that they’ll be safe.
As an engineer myself, I tend to lean on the safer side of things by virtue of not knowing the unknown (and to save my own ass), but I recognize that that virtue isn’t respected by everyone. Just be safe people!
Look man I sort of get what you’re saying but I was an electrician for a decade and I’m telling you nobody would consider a gaming computer a continuous load, like ever. UNLESS it was a business that sold time on a gaming computer, as I originally stated.
If a homeowner hired me and for some reason was adamant that I apply the 80% rule to a convenience circuit I’d probably walk away from the job because that customer is likely to be more trouble than they’re worth because they think they understand the (extremely complicated and nuanced) code that I work with on a daily basis. It’s not a threat to my license to do this install at all, just my sanity to deal with engineers that think they know better than tradesmen.
If I did take the job it would be unnecessarily expensive in terms of materials.
A normal 20A breaker will trip if you’re overloading it - that can be either instantaneous current draw (say 23 or 24A at one time) or it can be because you’re at 18A for a couple hours straight. That’s how they’re designed (does depend on the breaker but what I’m talking about is fairly standard). So there’s literally no reason to do what you’re suggesting. A properly installed, inspected, code compliant 15 or 20A circuit is plenty for current gaming computers. IF you start to go overboard pop and you unplug some other stuff and carry on, because that’s how the system is designed.
I do not recommend homeowners do circuit upgrades themselves, because you can’t just throw a higher amperage breaker on a circuit and call it a day, that’s how you get fires. I agree that people in old homes, or even newer homes that they buy, should have a licensed electrician inspect their homes. A lot of what I’ve been saying about the reliability and capacity of circuits doesn’t stand when you get back past the early 90s. NEC is updated every three years and the code is written in ashes and blood.
But if your house was built correctly after I’d say 1990 or 95 in the USA, everything I’m saying applies. It can apply for older homes also, but yeah, get an inspection done.
575W TDP is an absolute fucking joke.
Welp, looks like I’ll start looking at AMD and Intel instead. Nvidia is pricing itself at a premium that’s impossible to actually meet compared to competitors.
There will be people that buy it. Professionals that can actually use the hardware and can justify it via things like business tax benefits, and those with enough money to waste that it doesn’t matter.
For everyone else, competitors are going to be much better options. Especially with Intel’s very fast progression into the dedicated card game with Arc and generational improvements.
5000 series cards are made for idiots
5000 series cards are made for professionals and idiots
I’m here to represent the professionals ∩ idiots. We exist too.
Although seeing those prices is reminding me my mobile 3070 has been perfectly usable
Some people don’t care about spending $2000 for whatever. I mean, I’m not one of those people but they probably exist.
I’m probably one of those people. I don’t have kids, I don’t care much about fun things like vacations, fancy food, or yearly commodity electronics like phones or leased cars, and I’m lucky enough to not have any college debt left.
A Scrooge McDuck vault of unused money isn’t going to do anything useful when I’m 6 feet underground, so I might as well spend a bit more (within reason*) on one of the few things that I do get enjoyment out of.
* Specifically: doing research on what I want; waiting for high-end parts to go on sale; never buying marked-up AIB partner GPUs; and only actually upgrading things every 5~6 years after I’ve gotten good value out of my last frivolous purchase.
My company could buy me this (for video editing), but I mostly need it for vram that should be cheap. I would like to be able to afford it without it doubling the price of my pc.
You can get an AMD Instinct MI60 with 32GB HBM2 VRAM on ebay for ~$400-$600
More money than sense, as they say.
Just sell drugs bro, I buy whatever the fuck I want from microcenter. Straight cash.
The 2k USD price is surely only in order to make the cheaper cards appear reasonably priced.
Just using this thread as a reminder the new Intel Arc B580 is showing 4060 performance for only $250
That’s synthetic tests in favourable environment.
That’s the exact scenario I optimize my games and system at large to operate in. Thanks bro
I bought my 4080 super recently and hopes it last me a good +12 years like my old card did. These prices are insane!
I’m rocking a 1660su until I literally can’t anymore.
My old card literally died and was forced to get a new one.
Sleep tight, prince, my AMD R9 Fury x. You will be missed.
I’m still running a 1070ti, before that it was the R9 390 and R9 390X, both of them died though. One probably had it’s voltage regulator fail and the other probably had it’s chip die because it will boot windows but die as soon as it had to do any work
My question is will the 5080 perform half as fast as the 5090. Or is it going to be like the 4080 vs 4090 again where the 4080 was like 80% the price for 60% the performance?
You know it’s the latter… and that even those numbers are probably optimistic.
I think that at higher resolutions (4k) there is gonna be a bit bigger difference than in gen 40 bcs of 256bit vs 384bit mem bussy in 4080 vs 4090 compared to 256bit vs 512bit in 5080 vs 5090.
That memory throughput & bandwidth might not get such a big bump in the next gen or two.
mem bussy
well there’s a mental image
I really wanted a 512bit-bussy GPU for a decade+ … but perhaps never is just as good.
I don’t know a lot about computers, but I do know a fair amount about bussy. $2000 for 512 is a steal!
Sure hope I could buy two packs of 512 and screw them down in SLI mode.
I don’t know a lot about computers, but I do know a fair amount about bussy.
All Linux-related communities on lemmy.
From google:
The RTX 4090 was released as the first model of the series on October 12, 2022, launched for $1,599 US, and the 16GB RTX 4080 was released on November 16, 2022 for $1,199 US.
So they dropped the 80 series in price by $200 while increasing the 5090 by $400.
Pretty smart honestly. Those who have to have the best are willing to spend more and I’m happy the 80 series is more affordable.
Why do people buy this stuff? It only takes like a year before it falls in price as the next one comes along. Gotta get that last 2FPS, I guess.
Video cards don’t fall in price anymore lol
it seems people realized this and the old cards aren’t even properly falling in price anymore, even on the used market
Yeah I’m never willing to afford the best. I usually build a new computer with second best parts. With these prices my next computer will be with third best stuff I guess.
And this is BEFORE the tariffs!
But you see because of the tariffs the American gamers will just default to American GPUs, duh.
I’m not super informed about the developments but, won’t this be in the realm of possibility with the new Intel facilities being constructed?
As a result of the Biden admin’s chips and science act, is what I’m eluding to.
Oh. Well for America’s gamers, I sure hope so.
Won’t concern me.
Gotcha, now I’m curious. I’ll do no further research but, if I stumble upon something I’ll post it here
There’s gonna be as many tariffs as there were walls that got built and paid for by Mexico.
Not because it’s bad for the American people.
It’s because the same people in congress who would install tariffs are making hundreds of millions hand over first on insider trading stocks. They aren’t gonna fuck up the gravy train for Trumps dumb ass campaign ramblings.
Unfortunately Trump can unilaterally impose tariffs in a lot of cases. That’s why the price of olive oil soared in his first term.
He was free wheeling yolo the first term. This time he has masters he needs to obey. Elon for one ain’t allow tariffs on any electronics he needs for ai or hours cars. Nvidia should be safe.
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Another billionaire out of touch with reality.
His reality is selling everything faster than he can produce it at any price or performance. Sooooo.
