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Bonus title: Fascism is Imperialism turned inwards
cross-posted from @jackeroni@lemmy.ml: https://lemmy.ml/post/33684635
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It’s also colonialism turned inwards.
I added that in the body :) unless you explicitly differentiated from imperialism and colonialism, if so
How I understand it, imperialism is a general term describing a nation ruling over another, controlling the politics, the economy, the military, the media, etc; through either soft power, or hard power.
Colonialism is occupying the land, and with the same outcome as above. Imperialism is a general concept, colonialism is one of the means of imperialism, since you don’t always need explicit colonialism to be imperialist. I hope I got that right lol
Oh, sorry, we missed that, heh.
It’s just a quote we heard the other day, we think. Maybe it was imperialism though. Either way, great addition 🙂
I’ve also heard “fascism is colonialism coming home to roost,” which honestly tracks.
No worries 😁 and thanks!
Fascism describes a political system that can occur in the context of multiple economic systems. It’s not unique to capitalism.
All systems can decay into tyranny, but what we call fascism is only really possible under capitalism. The closest non-capitalist example was the Soviet Union, which was definitely fucked up but wasn’t really fascist in the traditional sense. Lots of Russian chauvinism? Definitely. Genocide? Absolutely. But no wider ethnic purity project along the lines of Nazi Germany. The distinguishing feature of fascism is its break-neck march towards collapse as more and more people are regarded as untermensch and fewer and fewer people are permitted to be ubermensch. Fascism is essentially murder-suicide as a political ideology (more accurately family of political ideology), and it’s rare if not impossible for a non-capitalist system to produce that.
in academic spheres bolshevism and neoliberalism are viewed as being expressions of fascism, sometimes called “ur-fascism” to distinguish eternal fascism from what you’re specifying as fascism (sometimes also called “hyperfascism”)
Gonna have to disagree. Capitalism is the root. It fosters the worst in people and rewards bad behavior.
Also, this is AI generated isn’t it…
I agree, fascism is capitalism in crisis. Capitalism is always cruel as imperialism in the global south, but I’d say fascism is the most mask off form. Ultimately, capitalism is the root of the issue. The meme wasn’t contradicting that
And no, it’s not AI :)
Fascism is when imperialism comes home.
I’d broaden that to say that any society or economic system collapses into authoritarianism when times get rough. We evolved to demand strong leaders, especially in times of crisis.
No, thata bullshit.
We evolved to collaborate.
We were trained to beg daddy.
Edit: We do not live in a state of nature, stop assuming how we behave in all this is fundamental human behavior.
Then how come China and Russia adopted fascism too? Apparently all socio-political ideologies decay into fascism.
Both of those are capitalist, and of them only Russia is fascist. Genocide is a pretty good tell, but it’s not in and of its own enough to declare a polity as fascist. That doesn’t make the Uighur genocide and crew any less reprehensible, but not everything horrible is automatically fascist.
To call China fascist is definitely an… adventurous take. There are lots of criticism you can make of their government but fascism? It’s not just a word for when the government does oppressive stuff. Their military spend is small, they don’t have ambitions of military expansion and government control only really of Taiwan. While Han culture is promoted China is very clearly a multiethnic state and there are active efforts to preserve some diverse cultural heritage, they definitely don’t promote violent political struggle and stratification of the strong over the weak - really I would levy criticism towards the intense pursuit of order.
They are culturally very conservative, a massive surveillance state, censorious on some things, and harsh towards certain kinds of political dissidents but this doesn’t make a government fascist.
Words do mean things.
EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM
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Powerful and continuing nationalism
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Disdain for human rights
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Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
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Rampant sexism
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Controlled mass media
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Obsession with national security
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Religion and government intertwined
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Corporate power protected
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Labor power suppressed
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Disdain for intellectual and the arts
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Obsession with crime and punishment
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Rampant cronyism and corruption
I’d say that China scores very highly across most of these. I’d almost give them a pass on Intellectual and the Arts, but even then only approved intellectualism and the Arts are allowed.
E.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_dissidents
If you want me to say that highly centralised surveillance states can easily fall to fascism then sure.
I think nation states are a terrible thing, china just isn’t a fascist one.
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Fascism is socialist. It’s really close to communism as well. But I’d say communism is worse since fascists never built a wall to keep the people in.
??? Elaborate. How is fascism socialist and how is communism worse than fascism?
For example Nazi full name is National Socialism, it’s in the name. In case of fascists in Italy, their entire name came from fascio - which means bundle of sticks - their entire thing is about collectivisation and making individual to work for the greater whole. Just like communism.
In practice Communism killed (by extermination and starvation) as many people as Nazism, while Fascism in Italy was pretty tame in comparison
For example Nazi full name is National Socialism, it’s in the name.
In case of fascists in Italy, their entire name came from fascio - which means bundle of sticks - their entire thing is about collectivisation and making individual to work for the greater whole. Just like communism.
Cool etymology fact, doesn’t make fascism socialist.
In practice Communism killed (by extermination and starvation) as many people as Nazism
I’m not even a Marxist and I can tell you that’s bullshit. The black book of communism included the death of Nazi soldiers, the HYPOTHETICAL deaths of unborn children due to declined birth rates, and much more bullshit. Ffs, even the coauthors denounced that book later on.
while Fascism in Italy was pretty tame in comparison
jesus fucking christ
Misleading etymology fact, potentially intentionally. The fascio was indeed a bundle of sticks and origin of the word fascismo, but it’s not about collectivisation: it was a weapon that symbolizes power. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
Damn, not just politically illiterate, just illiterate in general 💀
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Wow. Both systems killed many people therefore they are the same system. I cannot put into words how wrong that is.
For example Nazi full name is National Socialism
hmmm… not sure where you’re going with this
it’s in the name
OH!!! wow, you just made me realized… the word “socialism” in “national socialism” is the same as the word “socialism” in “socialism.” many times when things are named the same thing they are the same. such is it with language
Lol. Just lol. Tell me you have never read a single book on political theory without explicitly saying so.
No.
The DRPK is democratic because it has the word “democratic” in it’s name.
How is fascism related to workers having control over the means of production?
DPRK is democratic though.
Not trying to start shit, but the DPRK seems democratic in a similar sense to how the US is “democratic”, i.e. a kneecapped electoral system that is vulnerable to the whims of tyrants and plutocrats. A functioning democratic system shouldn’t have the same family at the head for 80 years. Again similar parallels to America, where several political dynasties have had varying degrees of influence for most of our history. Happy to be proven wrong here but I just don’t really consider single (or two) party systems to be worthwhile/aspirational democratic systems
