cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/35684522

Despite his support for Trump, Ragland has become increasingly vocal about the need for immediate trade resolution. “We desperately need to get something rectified quickly with China, our biggest export customer,” he told CNN. “We wanna encourage the administration to get a proactive trade deal done.”

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    Does anybody remember the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the trade agreement President Obama entered into, that would have opened the Asian markets to American farm products? The agreement that the Republicans ripped up when Trump started his first term?

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      They are pretending it is still the 90s or very early 2000s when China was still making ‘cheap junk’. Chinese stuff is very high quality now, dare I say superior to western stuff from the past.

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    Liberals become wishy washy and lose elections

    Let GOP get in charge

    GOP destroys the export economy

    Americans are all now forced to eat mointains of feminizing soy

    The secret long term plot against conservatives to turn them all gay and trans is almost complete!

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      Soy is not feminizing. Plant estrogens are not mammal estrogen. You have to actually take estrogen. It’s really inconvenient.

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        You are correct but it’s a common right wing myth. The Soy Boy diet making men wimpy girls was super common on right wing media.

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          I hate how the fucking conservatives have turned it into a talking point. Soy makes me pee out my butt, but if I’m too loud about avoiding soy, people assume I’m scared of the phytoestrogens.

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          It’s also a myth that appears in trans communities on occasion. The right wing misogynist to trans-girl pipeline is alive and well.

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            Yeah the soy myth was based on single flawed and debunked study from the 1940s or 50s. Plenty of further research proves their shit wrong in every way.

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              Nearly all studies cited by right wingers are really old and debunked. They cherry pick to the one thing they can find that supports their views.

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      Maybe it’s a plot by the GOP! The GOP wants to turn all your kids trans!

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      Even if it was the type of soy suited for direct human consumption, it would never happen. Farmers, agribusiness, and the government would rather watch people starve before allowing the price of food to drop that low.

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    I was about to suggest that maybe not all farmers voted for trump and thus they may not deserve the financial hardship, then I read this

    "Despite his support for Trump, Ragland has become increasingly vocal about the need for immediate trade resolution. “We desperately need to get something rectified quickly with China, our biggest export customer,” he told CNN. “We wanna encourage the administration to get a proactive trade deal done.”

    lol, gfy.

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      Every fucking time it’s, “the administration just needs to hear my argument, and they will realize this is a mistake and correct the oversight.”

      Like dude, they know exactly what they’re doing.

      How do these people not know who Donald Trump is yet, after all of this time?

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      Among owners of farms its a massive overwhelming majority. Just farming dependant counties as a whole was 78% and the owners expected massive tax breaks

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      I also have been feeling schaedenfreud but its not all their fault. They may have voted for trump but that was mainly because they were misled by propaganda networks. It shows how bad reporting is particularly among the rustbelt propaganda networks.Because none of these people were aware about project twenty twenty five which pretty much promised to crush trade.

      If they had been presented with accurate reporting there’s no way they would have voted against the pro trade neo liberals.

      Our legal and political system enabled a group of plutocrats to falsify reporting and amplify russian disinformation campaigns.

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          Many of them are horrible trolls. But then there are those who do not watch the news and get their facts from their local communities, like churches or co-workers. The great majority of people in the US do not have a good news source and have never had a class on media bias. Their whole way of thinking revolves around obeying authority. That environment does not encourage independent thought. And in the presence of 24/7 propaganda networks (Facebook, AM radio, Cable News), there’s no way for them to get substantiative information on topics relevant to their daily lives. It’s not just right wingers, but also people who would normally be on the left politically, but who are instead overwhelmed with data on how vaccines cause autism, etc… I meet people all the time who are concerned about my media consumption patterns because I do not know about how dangerous GMO is, or how my use of computers is rotting my brain.

          The problem with modern information economies is not everyone has access to good information, even people who read the news all day long are exposed to Russian disinfo.

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        That excuse is unacceptable.
        Unless you think they are dumber than normal they have all the possibility to verify sources and take the effort to look stuff up if it’s of importance.
        They’re not 1930’s illiterate Germans who had to believe what they’ve been told.

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          Decades of defunding and stripping down public education is now bearing fruit. We can thank right-wing political interests from both parties for the death of the US educational system. But this is what led to an overreliance on video as a news dissemination platform as people do not read much compared to other economies.

          Weimar Germany, by the way, was the best educated country in the world in the thirties. This is what made Nazi propaganda more effective: they were able to use propaganda campaigns to target vulnerable populations. We now know from Cambridge Analytica that this group exists in all cultures. The so-called “Average” group.

          Being ignorant doesn’t excuse their actions, but it explains their motives in a way that makes them more human. We’re all fallible, some of us more so than others. Look at it this way: it’s not a crime to be completely cut off from good news sources. There’s nothing evil in getting all your news from your church buddies or the people at work. Most news is negative anyway so people naturally avoid it.

          The people who control those groups are horrible human beings. Narcissistic, sadistic, nihilists. Unfortunately, liberal democracy does nothing to stop them from spreading their message to vulnerable groups.

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        Except that Trump has said enough stupid shit in obvious places that it can’t be hidden unless you’ve got a chokehold that is simply impossible to maintain on that many people. Ten million maybe, but no at this point they’re willing. They want this and whether they’re profoundly stupid or incredibly evil doesn’t much matter like it used to considering the damage they’re doing.

        Conservatives just suck. The world at their fingertips and daily, unavoidable examples of why they’re super wrong and they still go hard for the worst possible options because they aren’t intelligent enough to understand even the most basic complexities or have even shreds of empathy for people they can’t directly see(and many will even hate those right in front of them). Nah dude, fuck that.

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          All that is true, but the shit he’s saying goes through a filter. Not just the filter of Fox News but also the filter of those who disseminate that bullshit.

          A very sad and unfortunate fact about most Americans is that they do not read the news and most of their political knowledge comes from their friends and family or communities. The propaganda dissemination models that are currently driving the US toward fascism are reliant on there being a core group of malignants who disseminate the disinformation that they get from Fox, AM radio and elsewhere.

          The group whom you’re referring to as “conservatives” are demographically the most exposed to right-wing propaganda. The so-called “average” cluster, as revealed by the Cambridge Analytica scandal. This group (originally targeted by Facebook) is particularly sensitive to the message pushed by conservatives (“law and order”, “traditional”). But if you look at the messaging that’s being used to manipulate them, it’s the same stuff that was used to target Germans in the Weimar republic.

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        About half of the customers for my seasonal business are farmers. I told them directly. They didn’t believe me or didn’t care.

        Now they have crops rotting in the fields.

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          Many farmers don’t read the news and they are prone to getting their info from their friends and communities. For whatever reason, around 30% of the people in those communities are unempathetic deceivers who delight in spreading lies and conspiracy theories. And propaganda networks empower those people.

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            I told them. They knew. They thought they were special.

            Guess they should have listened to their vendor instead of their competition.

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            I’ve not started taking orders for this season. Have to start this month. Kinda dreading it THB.

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        People have been screaming for decades how shitty GOP and Conservative/Libertarian policies are, with proper backed examples and data.

        These people still didn’t listen.

        They chose this.

        They were told this would happen, plainly enough for a child to understand, and they chose it anyway.

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          I’ve actually heard someone make the argument that it’s liberals’ fault because they came across as patronizing when telling people, which made them not want to listen. I wish I was kidding.

          Just zero personal responsibility.

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          Youre right that they should have known better but you cant blame fools for being fools. You can blame the conmen who scam them.

          I monitor conservative and nationalist media and they promote lies all day long. The people screaming about whats going on? Completely misrepresented or marginalized in their coverage. Its impossible to have democracy with propaganda networks ranking number 1 in the public consciousness

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    Farmers:

    Votes for Trump

    Loses business because of Tariff backlash

    Gets bailed out

    Votes for Trump two more times

    Loses business because of Tariff backlash

    Who could have seen this coming?

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      Them. They see your pattern continuing.

      Imagine if the government paid you to sit on your ass instead of going to work.

      And since your income is no longer tied to any sense of production, you fudge your number a little and end up better off being on welfare than working full time.

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        Maybe Monsanto or somebody might get bailed out, but smaller farmers won’t get a single penny out of the GOP.

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          We’re seeing that play out in Arkansas, as this year family farmers are either driven off their farms (some after 6 generations) or are committing suicide quickly. One of my friends knew a farmer that killed himself last night. They’re really thinking the feds are coming to save them, instead of forcing them off the land so it can be purchased by conglomerates.

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            Incorrect, the banks own millions in land and equipment…

            Most smaller farms are mortgaged out their asses.

            Source: close friends with a family that owns a farm…

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            Listen, there are two ways things can be. A diverse set of farms with less than 100 acres total each, or entire regions of millions of acres dominated singularly by massive corporations.

            Small farmers exist, and mom and pop farmers are very real, even if it is inherently quite exclusive.

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    How all the soy boy beta cucks working for this administration will sound this winter while trying to reassure Americans we don’t need to resort to cannibalism just yet bc we still have an insane surplus of unprocessed soy beans we have to do something with.

    I say this as a vegetarian. I’m kinda looking forward to hearing what kind of propaganda these people will spin to explain the sudden 180. “Awkshully, soy has always been one of the most hyper masculine protein sources available in the western hemisphere.”

    Maybe if you do nothing and just let the crops rot they will auto ferment into blocks of tofu?

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      They will likely dump the crops in the ocean to keep prices stable like they do with many other surpluses. One of the worst things about capitalism, instead of trying to feed the poor or do something useful with it

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        Or the government subsidizes it buying up enough of the crop to raise the price and then destroys it. They could buy up some of the crap and then give it to people that weren’t going to buy soybeans anyway.

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      Yeah exactly. Big agribusiness will scoop these family farms up at very cheap prices. Follow the money.

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    They can always blame Biden (Joe or Hunter), Obama, or trans people! 🤡🤡🤡🤡

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    Oh no! If only there had been some way for farmers to know this was going to happen! Like Trump telling them it was going to happen! Or every economist in the country warning it was going to happen! Or Trump doing the same thing in his first term! WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN???

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      It still amazes me that they are surprised. They lived through it the first time. It wasn’t fake news It was their own reality.

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      If only there had been some way for farmers to know this was going to happen

      Midwestern Dems are sprinkled with nativist, anti-China, police gimp politicians that overwhelmed their GOP colleagues. So it’s sort of a crap shoot. You might get a Tim Walz or you might get a Pete Buttigieg or you might get a Terri Sewell.

      Just “Vote Blue No Matter Who” isn’t a panacea. Not when so many Dems are cuddling up to the Cheney and Bloomberg brand of Republicanism, even as they fervently reject Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib

      WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN???

      Biden had four years to reverse Trump policies, rebuild ties with our largest trading partners, and prosecute the corrupt officials in the prior administration.

      Instead, he continued the War on Migrants, tried to shut down TikTok while flooding Israel with cheap munitions, and gave a DOJ sized shrug to fascists big and small.

      These decisions cost his party 6M votes between 2020 and 2024.

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        I thought “blue no matter who” was a call for the general election because at the federal level the alternative is the republican.

        Then to change the direction of the party you have to be involved far ahead of the election in the candidate suction process.

        … not that they’re necessarily going to listen. The forced two party thing we have going will probably always corrupt the “good” party if there is one.

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          I thought “blue no matter who” was a call for the general election because at the federal level the alternative is the republican.

          If you’re supporting reactionaries in your own party, you’re not opposing Republicans at the national level.

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        Bullshit. In this case our reality is so twisted that this is the time to vote blue, no matter who. Anti-fascist, no matter who. Least unethical, no matter who.

        I look forward to the day when all major candidates are not channeling evil supervillains, who care about their constituents (not just enriching their friends and corporate benefactors) and can articulate a platform toward their concept. I look forward to the day we can relate to “both sides” again, to the day we can debate the merits of different proposals. I too wish for that utopia where it’s reasonable to choose on who has the best plan.

        In the meantime it’s just not ok

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          In this case our reality is so twisted that this is the time to vote blue, no matter who.

          That’s how you end up with a Congress and President who continues to pander to fascism from the liberal side of the aisle.

          We played the “Vote Blue” game with Biden and he pooched it. Burned another generational opportunity for reform so he could placate his friends in Israel and Wall Street.

          I look forward to the day when all major candidates are not channeling evil supervillains

          You can’t look forward to it. You have to champion it. That means actively opposing Democrats who are complicit in the horror.

          In the meantime it’s just not ok

          This is the mentality that continues to propel Andrew Cuomo’s campaign.