Give me Greenland and I promise I won’t attack anyone else! 🫲🍊🫱
Said the man planning attacks elsewhere this instant.
What are you talking about? I’m the president of FIFA peace! I’m sending the troops! 🫲🍊🫱
Solidarity from Canada. We are the only country that are allowed to go to war with with the Danes.
That is right you guys send an expidition to politely lower the other’s flag on some god forsaken island, ellesmere maybe, and raise your own flag. Then take the liter of liquor the danes left for you when they claimed it, leaving your own liter of liquor for them. As I heard anyway, idk how many times but I think a few at least.
ellesmere
Hah! That’s actually geographically significant, and might have some kind of resources.
It was Hans, which is 1km2 and definitely has nothing. Eventually we ended the decades long sorta-war by splitting it along the obvious fissure provided.
I wish all wars were so wholesome.
What if it’s all a big misdirect and Trump invades Denmark while the army is away.
THINK ABOUT IT
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4D chess!
Maybe it’s 12D chess! Trump threatens Greenland, NATO sends troop out of Europe to defend it, now Europe is less defended!
I’m so SICK! Of people Not letting Pedophiles get WHATEVER they Want! If Trump wants Greenland just GIVE It to Him like it was a Pregnant 13 Year old
Girl!WOMAN!reading that feels illegal
I’ve heard one analyst say that the most probable end of all this is just a very bad “deal” for Danemark. Trump and his goons throw the worst things around so people panic and want to negociate, and in the end they accept way worse than they were willing to accept in the first place, while feeling relieved that things didn’t end up worse. It’s what he’s done with Ukraine already.
No idea if this will be true in the end or if he’s really in to apply Project 2025 to the letter, but it’s good that NATO members fight back at least.
I think this is often the case with Trump. However, when this does happen, at some point along the way there’s usually hints dropped about what kind of “deal” could be made (like agreeing to buy a bunch of US military equipment). But with Greenland, there has been no indication at all that Trump is interested in budging from full ownership of the island.
You’re right, it stinks quite bad. Thankfully our militaires probably have until mid-spring or summer to prepare. It would be even more suicidal than it is now for the US to attack in winter.
Analysts are the last ones to listen to nowadays. They cannot be honest if they even understood. Look at how none even recognized venezuela as a military coup, a deal made with their generals to make them de facto rulers under the us.
We mustn’t follow the same analysts I guess.
What’s even there to deal on Greenland and Denmark? Denmark is not in any conundrum. If USA invades Greenland, they will lose. There is not even an American public support to invade Greenland. Despite the moral flaws of American military, many US soldiers will feel bad about invading a clearly peaceful and democratic country.
All this nonsense is Trump’s attempt to distract the people from the Epstein files. That’s how sad Trump and his administration is.
Despite the moral flaws of American military, many US soldiers will feel bad about invading a clearly peaceful and democratic country.
US troops arent even bothered about invading their own cities and killing people on home soil… what makes you think they would think twice about invading and killing foreigners?
It’s been reported that the morale of the National Guards and Marines was really low when they were deployed to LA, questioning why they were there to against fellow Americans. Not everyone has the compunction of ICE.
ICE is full of military veterans…
Good! Fuck Trump!
I see the meeting with Vance didn’t go well. Here we go. I fucking hate my country.
We hate your country as well
Are they moving to the US military base that is already there?
I don’t know much about Thule but the area around the base is probably too inhospitable to keep troops around it. Likewise it’s too remote for fascist troops within the base to threaten the populated areas in the south.
I don’t think he’s interested in the populated areas in the south. If there’s anything he’s interested in, it’s more likely the minerals. What he would probably like is for US companies to go there and take those minerals. But if they do that without Danish permission, Danish forces can come and kick them out. What would happen if he lands US troops illegally in that inhospitable corner to protect such an illegal operation?
Fighting over Greenland is really hard, because it’s mostly empty and inhospitable. What he really wants is for everybody to simply recognise it’s his, but how do you get there? It’s not working for Putin, it’s not working in Venezuela.
This isn’t about defending Greenland militarily, but about increasing the diplomatic cost to the US to use any force. That’s why other European countries are also sending a few troops.
The political message from Europe has to be clear and forceful: If you touch Greenland, that will be the end of US military bases on the European continent (including Ramstein). Also economic sanctions and asset freezes/seizures for the Trump clan and key members of the administration.
Will that hurt europe? Will it erode our security guarantees against Russia? Yeah a lot.
But rather be on clear terms now and plan accordingly, than remaining Trumps bitch and very likely be let down anyways when push comes to shove
Europe does not need america. Not if they get their shit together, forestall their own fascist coups at the ballot by fielding real leaders with popular reform. They will not of course though. The western establishment is as dumb and corrupt as the democrats though so will fall.
No-one “needs” anyone but economics aren’t a zero-sum game and both the EU and the US benefited enormously from our economic and military ties, and cutting those ties will be painful and the faster it happens the more painful it will be.
If we employ the economic nukes against the US right now, we will lose most digital payment systems for a few weeks as countries and bunks rush to implement Wero and the digital Euro, and we will face strong gas shortages as we currently rely on the US to make up for Russia’s. Europe and NA would immediately enter into a deep recession.
The payment systems are a hugely understated threat but are being worked on actively. The fossil fuels aren’t understated but we also lack short-term solutions as electrification takes time (but also we aren’t doing nearly enough).
However it is true that the EU is profoundly neoliberal and that ideology is very ill-equipped to deal with a fragmented world order in which free trade is no longer the default. Those assumptions are being challenged, however the far-right seems primed to bring about the populist “solution” of turning Europe into a bunch of mini-Russias.
Well that natural gas is blood gas. Fracked from lands, oil majors poison aqifers and destabilize faults, and deny it, leaving homeowners with poisoned aquifers, and air.
So that is best case scenario for regular people in the US, to keep prices down below where oil majors pay politicians to send us to an early grave for a buck.
I live on shale, luckily the wells were a bust so they went to greener pastures for now. They are busy turning environmental protesters, into terrorists, state by state and feds are working on it.
It would be a perfect chance to get into renewables. Obviously you will instead do nuclear but this could be an opportunity to bypass fossil fuels and generate electicity from temperature differences with mediums that boil in that range. You could heat with that. Also more geothermal, starting out with air brought to ground temperature of 50 f year round 6 feet down.
Getting off us payments has to be done, the world needs competition, the us is abusing sanctions more every year. It will help everyone getting competition in there, and tech. But your politicians are surrendering you to tech with age checks and chat control and however else they retrofit that rejected trojan horse into a trojan sheep your influencers keep trying to convince you all to bring inside the walls.
Seriously, you need new popular politicians or will follow the us, and uk.
The political message from Europe has to be clear and forceful: If you touch Greenland, that will be the end of US military bases on the European continent (including Ramstein).
Nobody actually said that, there’s an US military base in greenland already.
That’s what’s so fucked up about all this. USA have downsized their military presence on Greenland by 99% since its peak. Neither Greenland, nor Denmark has opposed them to scale up again. They (Denmark/Greenland) have also declared they’re willing to let US mine for resources.
This seems like nothing but a fixation in Trump about increasing US land area, to boost his personal legacy.
It is putin’s bidding, prez does not have the juice to pull out of nato otherwise.
Yeah but that’s the point. Either you run your bases in cooperation with the host countries, or your established military presence becomes too great of a threat to the sovereignty of the host country to be allowed to continue
Germany became what it is with US helpin a looot, how will they go against them?
Cutting off their utilities and access to the surrounding areas.
But while Europe is busy with Greenland, at the home front the door is wide open, unprotected from the threats from the east.
You have to meet the enemy where they land. Trump getting Denmark without a fight is same as Russia getting it without a fight.
That’s a thing they’re of course considering. European nationa obviously won’t send 100 000 troops to Greenland.
The orange cancer don’t care. It’s not like HIS LIFE is on the line. He’d send all of the troops, killing many of them and our once allies, just to assuage his fucking ego.
Disgusting disgraceful filth.
Politicians never fight their wars.
I don’t know, it’s not like nobody’s ever abducted the president of a foreign country before.
So it’s senile Lt. Bone Spurs vs. Danish Gen. Giga Chad?
If the appearance of commanders correlated with military strength, the US would be finished. 😆
They need to get rid of that multicam. No need to keep wearing that nasty looking American shit.
All I can imagine is a shirtless Pete Hegasth doing karate moves in a mirror.
You mean Pete Keg-sith?
And doing his own sound effects.
The opening scene in Apocalypse Now?
That man looks like he’s staring into the abyss.
He stared into the abyss.
The abyss retreated.
The Abyss is staring into him.
And the Abyss looks terrified.
The abyss gets the hint immediately and looks away, visibly has a full body shiver a second later and exuses itself mumbling sound and then the abyss quickly clears its throat with a “sorry” to speak up and just says it has to go pick up a …thing and doesn’t look anyone in the eye or talk to anyone else or even fully tieing its shoelaces before weaseling out and closing the door very carefully to not make a noise
Aren’t we all.
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Buzz Lightyear
I get what you’re saying, but the more direct comparison would be to the Chief of Staff of the Army, not the President.
I gotta say, I spent a solid minute on Google Images trying to find a picture that made him look more badass than the professional headshot photo, but a good half of the images are him in readers.
Ohln the other hand, the US had a bit of a military purge where they fired anyone competent enough to be a threat to them so I honestly wonder how well the US will do now on the battlefield
I’ve been wondering how long it would take for the “lie to the pedophile and tell him we’re ready because he says we are” to get us to the same level of preparedness as Russia attacking Ukraine.
Well this guy was the Vice Chief from 2022-2023 and became Chief in 2023. So that’s under the Biden administration, for what that’s worth.
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Looks like he’s gotta go rescue a rural backwater’s police department from John Rambo.
If only Brian Dennehy would listen to him, so many deputies’ lives could be saved.
I’m rightfully scared of that chin. Like I want to make fun of it, but I know full well he could kill me with it.
John Wick 5 - fuck that guy, I heard he killed a man with his chin! HIS CHIN!
30 minutes later: John wick kills someone with his chin.
Also, wow we’re getting a John Wick 5!!!
If you think he looks bad ass. Try taking a look at Thomas Rathsack. He is my fucking hero, and a danish special forces veteran.
You wrote ‘Rathsack’.
I read it as ‘Wrath-Sack’.
Thanks for reminding me to rewatch Riders of Justice. It’s Danish, btw.
Christ, the man looks like a younger, buffer, Dolph Lundgren. I want to see him and Hegseth fight hand-to-hand now.
We shouldn’t kid ourselves. There is no realistic way to defend Greenland with actual arms against America.
It could cause world war 3
Tell me about how the mighty USA with their mighty military won the war against much, much weaker militaries, like Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan. Oh wait, they lost all of those…
Hmm, do you know when the USA last won a war without their EU allies’ help? I don’t.
I do remember though when a Swedish diesel sub bypassed all their defenses and “sunk” the US carrier.
Or that time when Netherlands sub “sunk” one.
Or that time when Australia “sunk” one.
Or that time when Canada “sunk” one.
Americunts can’t win a war without their EU allies because the EU are the ones with successful strategies, like how to bypass the “most advanced navy” defenses and sink their most precious carriers.
Americunts are only good at drive bys and hit and run attacks, like the one in Venezuela, they don’t know how to fight a proper war, as proven by their track record.
If they can’t take Greenland overnight, it will cost them very dearly to go to war with the EU, with no certainty of winning.
What are you talking about sinking carriers, were they playing battleship in military games?
War games. The USA is over reliant on their expensive tech that fail against good tactics and cheap equipment.
The fact that you didn’t know about that, shows how full of propaganda Americans are thinking they are invincible.
You lost wars against farmers and shepherds armed with AK-47s and home made explosives.
Ww2 was the last fight where the enemy had advanced gear. They get to feel tough using million dollar a piece guided missiles to hit goat herders and guerillas woth small arms.
The thing is, spending that money is the end for the politicians. Those tens of billions of fresh printed pallets of cash they brought to iraq as well.
We have inspector generals by law on these periodically. Every one castigated afghanistan, they were not trying to make a new country, they are too mean, bigoted, and greedy to build a middle class to base a replacement government, instead sponsoring a web of warlords in a game of thrones situation.
Same with Iraq. Put me in charge, I am against both but I could at least have made something better. These clowns are just extracting money from the government for their pals, and favors.
The US has somewhat of a glass jaw. Their public is willing to support military operations but once consequences transpire they panic. It won’t take too many bodybags coming off the planes for the fever to break.
The US attacking allied territory of the EU is basically the death of NATO, one way or another. WW3 is a hop and a skip from that.
I’ve not been following super closely for mental health reasons, but if it is just Denmark? We are looking at another Ukraine. Everyone is going to hem and haw and say “just give it to the pricks” to “avoid World War 3”. Whereas, if we start seeing other EU/NATO nations deploying troops to protect Greenland… there is a chance that SOMETHING remains and we don’t just have russia running over everyone else one by one.
It doesn’t have to be the death of NATO, provided the US leaves it.
If they don’t, though, yeah, probably the end of NATO. There’s no mechanism for revoking a member’s membership.
Germany just sent a first batch of soldiers, so that’s a good sign IMO.
As did Sweden, Norway and France.
EDIT: And as a Dane, I am so grateful toward our real allies!
We (swedes) love to tease you, but brother, I’m so fucking furious about this. The only positive about the development on the world stage in recent years is we in the Nordic countries have come closer than ever.
And the Netherlands and Canada… And my axe!
There’s talk of sending the EU rapid reaction force. It’s only 5000 troops but they’re the good shit.
Now I imagine them like modern day spartans. In mechas.
purrrrrr
Why does it matter if they are good? Are they actually thinking they can repel an invasion?
The GDP of Denmark is about half of the US war budget.
The GDP of Denmark is about half of the US war budget.
Why would that matter?
Remind me how did the USA with their mighty military spending won their wars against much much weaker countries, like Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan? Oh wait… They lost all of those…
If anything, the track record shows that the USA is really terrible at fighting proper wars and only good at “drive bys” and “hit and run” operations, like the one in Venezuela.
Can the USA take Greenland overnight?
Afghanistan and Vietnam would like to have a word with you.
In any case, even if the US would win (they probably would I guess, kinda), it would not be a popular victory if hundreds of US soldiers died for an island no american cares about.
No they don’t think they can repel an invasion, but they know they can make it very costly. Different bioregion, same advantage as the Vietnamese resistance, and cold is even harsher on troops and equipment than the jungle.
How can anyone say Trump ISN’T beholden to Putin? Even if you know nothing of their 30 year relationship, Trump is doing everything that a puppet of Putin would do. Russia really just… won the Cold War ultimately. They did it. They have a Russian asset as POTUS, Russian asset at head of intelligence at ODNI, and many many others scattered throughout.
All of this is straight out of “Foundations of Geopolitics” by Dugin.
Nailed it. Prez does not have the juice to straight pull out of nato. So this jingoistic adventurism is meant to gin enough support for it.
I do not think they will find the support they need here though. We all like europe and canada here.
and on top of that, it’s very likely that china and russia have infiltrated a lot of critical IT infrastructure after the SolarWinds debacle. Haven’t heard much about the cleanup; It’s like a free for all currently.
You don’t even need to rely on adversaries to hack into the systems when you have insider threats right here in America. Musk is an enemy of the state and when he was muckin around in DOGE, exfiltrating all of our data to private servers, selling secrets to Russians, etc., after he exfiltrated data from NLRB within 30 min there were attempts with correct username and password combinations to access internal servers from Russian IP addresses. We’re so fucked, and I don’t think we’ll get back to the same level of secrecy for at least a generation (maybe 20-30 years).
No one is talking about it anymore because there are even more pressing issues with American citizens.
Based on reports that generals are considering it a truly illegal order to attack Greenland or an ally I’m fairly certain Iran and a few South American countries are going to be sacrificed instead
So if anyone was wondering where the line for an illegal order was it’s probably here, attacking Greenland/NATO
That being said there is still a chance of anything happening so we obviously can never be comfortable
I assume there is no line for an illegal order, since Trump has purged military leaders who don’t think Trump’s word is law.
Which also means that all the smart military leaders were replaced by idiots who probably couldn’t come up with a strategy for anything more complex than a tic tac toe game.
Yep. I love how people keep thinking there’s still a rule of law in the US.
Stalin 1939 vibes.
The only certainty is that after Venezuela with 0 repercussions they now got the taste for it.
I’ve not been following super closely for mental health reasons, but if it is just Denmark? We are looking at another Ukraine.
Ukraine’s armed forces alone are 15x the total population of Greenland. This is more of a Grenada than a Ukraine.
Whereas, if we start seeing other EU/NATO nations deploying troops to protect Greenland… there is a chance that SOMETHING remains and we don’t just have russia running over everyone else one by one.
I would be much more worried about the power projection of the world’s largest military by a factor of 20 than the country currently caught in a quagmire halfway into the Donbas.
The US could theoretically take island in days with raw force, but if a coalition Europe force holds enough territory to bring in more troops through then it’s going to be a bloody brutal slog.
All becuase roughly half of America voters preferred a pedophile war criminal over a relatively normal politician
Ah, but she had a weird laugh and a less than ideal reply to a gaza question.
Lordy we are fucked.
Ukraine’s armed forces alone are 15× the total population of Greenland
The Forsvaret (Danish Army) has the obligation to also defend autonomous territories of Denmark, i.e. Greenland and Faroe Islands. Its personnel is 100,000.
Ukraine now has 6 times more army personnel than before the war (~2022).
In terms of escalation with Europe: next would be any European territory in the Caribbean / Gulf of Mexico (e.g. BVI’s; side note: no fucking way will I ever use the regime’s idiotic rename of that body of water), then any European holdings in South America (e.g. French Guiana), then straight up annexation of countries in central/South America. Then probably an attempt to sweep up any other extraterritorial European enclaves in other areas (Canary Islands? The Azores? Who knows?).
This is what “sphere of influence” politics means. This is the new reality.
Computer, end program.
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Computer, door.
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Fuck.
America totally sucks at actually annexing territory (so, not merely conquering, but actually all the way to making it part of its own territory), with the last successful instance of doing it being Puerto Rico during the Spainish-American War back at the end of the 19th Century.
So of those you listed, maybe Greenland would be possible to actually annex due to its tiny population - Americans could literally just kick everybody else out, by which point the place is just empty land which can be treated like some kind of North Atlantic oil platform that just happens not to be floating, which is fine if all you want to do there is exploit mineral resources that don’t require much manpower to extract - as well as the small european occupied islands like Azores (though what would be the point of getting Azores since it has zero mineral resources and the only real value of its economic exclusive area is for Fishing which is a low economic value activity that requires quiet a lot more manpower than oil extraction).
Certainly actually annexing a South American country would almost certainly turn into a quagmire for America in the same style as Vietnam.
I mean, if you currently look at Venezuela, for all of Trump’s strutting like a rooster on it, it’s not actually occupied by America (zero boots on the ground) and any real American gains extracted from it (which in reality are far less than Trump’s proclamations would make it seem) come from literally blackmailing the individuals in leadership there with “if you don’t do what I demand I’ll do to you personally the same I did to Maduro” - that situation is not at all one where America owns Venezuela.
Sorry, someone else already turned off the safety protocols. We’re screwed.
Trump seems to forget Europe has nuclear missiles as well. It doesn’t take thousands for mutual assured destruction.
Do you think Europe is gonna fire a nuke over Greenland? Be honest
Honest? I don’t know if politicians are adamant enough.
However, Trump (bullies in general) only respond to strength and violence.
Rolling over will only embolden them more. Hopefully pointing a few nukes at the US mainland will cause their government to rethink their strategy. But this will only work if we’re willing to execute when push comes to shove.
For some reason Russia causes Trump to roll out the red carpet, when Putin decides to grace Trump with a visit. This when he could easily force them to end the war in a few days. They are suffering terrible losses at the hand of a small country supported by NATO. I think it’s because he perceives Russia as “strong”, but in reality the only edge they have is nuclear power.
So in short - yes, honestly I think Europe should stop trying to be diplomatic and start drawing a red line and seeing that strategy through.
The united states’ government is now so obviously an enemy to Europe that diplomacy is clearly no longer an option.
I think as soon as Europe starts putting their big boy pants on, Canada will join. Because if the US controls both Alaska and Greenland, Canada is next. They will probably already realise that. Hopefully talks are already underway between Canada and European nations. I would be surprised if this isn’t already a scenario they take into account.
Mexico in the south, joined by a few other south American countries could also join in. As soon as the us is facing pressure from 3 sides, bringing the stakes to their physical borders, the tables might turn.
And then there’s like 80% of the us population that could rise up against this. The public opinion is heavily dependent on how close the fight is to their borders.
I believe if Europe starts reaching out NOW to Canada and south america, stop diplomacy with the US, call them out for every Nazi shit they’re pulling, and start economic, political and military pressure, we might avoid escalation.
I really hope they already have this scenario on the back burner.
Think I read Germany is sending 13 soldiers.
Yes, trigger troops and recon, no doubt.
Considering NATO without USA has 5x the cold weather trained troops and 10x the cold weather equipment as USA. USA could certainly land but Denmark and its northern neighbors could pretty easily and I don’t think even with great cost make it prohibitively difficult to stay. It would end up looking like Finland’s Great Winter War IMO.
If you don’t live and breathe cold weather fighting, it’s very easy to lose in these conditions. Your equipment gets packed with snow, the lubricant in your vehicle turns to sludge, the optics on your gun fog over, your doors freeze shut, your personnel get too cold to fight, etc.
Even just Denmark, Finland, and Sweden could pull this off themselves, or likely just Denmark and one of those 2. The US has a long track record of losing guerrila wars and Denmark’s neighbors like Finland know how to win them in conditions like what they have in Greenland.
Fucking thank you. It bears repeating. I’m sure USA generals know this very well.
Let’s not pretend it’s a knowledge or ability issue. The US has operated several bases in Alaska since WW2. The knowledge is there in how to manage things.
The real question like you said is equipment. The US gave up a lot of its manufacturing abilities, after it destroys its economy invading an ally I doubt it’ll be able to build up capacity fast enough.
They certainly have cold weather troops. I honestly have no idea what kind of numbers are needed for such an operation. But I know for sure that it’s better to have more rather than less when push comes to shove.
What’s stopping the US from nuking the shit out of Greenwich
The immediatelly obvious reason is that you can’t really have resource extraction operations in a nuclear wasteland, so Greenland (which is what I assume you were trying to spell) would become useless for them.
The next big reason is the same as why Russia isn’t doing it in Ukraine - any nation that agressivelly uses nukes will be turned on by everybody else and end up nuked themselves, because if nuclear aggression is not severely punished, other countries will go nuclear ASAP with more and more countries actually using nukes in war, incentivising even more countries to go nuclear and use nukes, a vicious cycle which is guaranteed to end with all life on planet Earth dead. Specifically in the case of Greenland, it would be an attack on Europe which not only already has 2 nuclear armed nations but also is the region in the World with the most non-nuclear countries with the knowhow and technology to go nuclear very fast if they feel threathened, so the delay between America attacking European territory with nukes and ending up a nuclear wasteland itself would be a lot smaller than if America had attacked with nukes, say, countries in Latin America (and even that would end up with America turned into glass, it would just take longer).
Obviously the highest levels of the American Military know this (its not as if they haven’t run countless scenarios on it) and would be far more likely to choose to assassinate Trump if he ever gave such an order (which would be even easier to do than the whole “Kidnap Maduro” thing) than to nuke an European nation and start a cycle that would end up with cockroaches being the dominant species of this planet.
First off it’s not that far from the US so they might get some fallout from that. Second, they are doing this for access to rare earth minerals which will be considerably harder to get under conditions of nuclear radiation. It may make the whole project untenable for a long time. Which is the opposite of what they want.
So generally, even removing all the humanitarian and geopolitical ramifications, which would be enormous, I don’t think it would serve their interests
Newest generation of nukes has significantly reduced fallout and can be re-occupied by troops in days. Scary stuff
The logical counter response I guess would be for Denmark to get their own nukes and nuke the Americans on Greenland then. Then everyone can just keep nuking Greenland every few years.
The fuck did Greenwich ever do?
Got mean about time.
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No, the attacking of Greenland could cause a war not the act of defending it.
There is more to a war than the difference in military strength.
There is no realistic way to defend Greenland with actual arms against America.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t studied any US military history more recent than the 1940’s.
It’s crazy how many people insist the US is this unbeatable force that has already doomed everyone and I invincible.
Bro the gigant has feet made of mud.
The Vietnamese beat us with a few guns, tunnels, and booby traps.
And we napalmed the whole-ass jungle.
Sure, the US can bomb the shit out of Greenland, but that’s not the same as ‘winning’, and this is especially true if we alienate all of our allies in the process.
They also lack snowmobiles and dogs.
This is the mentality they are banking on, it’s the Russian mentality since time immemorial that’s kept Europe in the cuck chair for so long. “Yes but if we respond, they might escalate things!”
Gotta tell you, as a Canadian I don’t love the concept of the US having even more leverage over our already tenuous logistical connection to European allies. Keeping the Atlantic un-dominated is important for us.
Well the other unfortunate reality is America simply does possess the military equipment, experience, and expertise to destroy any country in conventional war, except China I suppose.
Unless people plan on resorting to nukes Europeans will have to rely on the American military resisting Trump or letting him take Greenland and retaliating with dramatic economic sanctions and boycotts + closing ties with China
Sure, but America lost its shit over two buildings in New York. What’s it going to do when a French ICBM does a bit of urban clearance there?
Yes the US wins any individual conventional conflict for sure. But putting up a resistance force on Greenland could dissuade the US from trying, as even military win may prove to be a loss, especially if the rest of NATO can take some Americans with them when Greenland falls.
Simply pulling out of Greenland is a non-option, even if the US would win the battle for Greenland.
Why does everyone think the USA could win any war?
They haven’t won a war in decades and have lost against much much weaker countries, like Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan. All lost, embarrassingly.
If anything, the track record shows that the USA are really terrible at conventional wars and are only good at “hit and run” operations, like the one on Venezuela.
Can the USA take Greenland overnight? If not, it will be bloody war with no certainty of winning.
The entire military doctrine of the Nordic countries is based on defending itself from an overwhelming force it could not realistically win against. The idea is to make an attack extremely costly for the enemy. Like the U.S in Vietnam, or Russia in Finland.
In a direct confrontation, the US would walk over them as if they aren’t there. That’s why you don’t do that, you apply guerilla tactics. That’s why a bunch of basically goat herders in Afghanistan, of all places, managed to beat the Russians and the Americans.
Let there be no doubt, the US got its ass handed there, and Afghanistan is a good part of the reasons why the USSR folded.
I assume the Danish generals know this and likely have prepared something similar, but now with highly trained and well equipped soldiers.
I think an invasion of Greenland would finish the US, especially since the Danes have a lot of experience in how to fight winter conditions while the US not so much.
I think something similar applies as well in, for example, Mexico. There are boat loads of highly (US military) trained criminals over there with a lot of experience in sending messages. Once the hundredth soldier was found dangling from a bridge, or cut up in a salad, it might become hard to explain to Maga base why really is worth it.
The US is awesome at invading. It absolutely sucks at keeping anything
When schoolbuses go missing from bases and body parts start turning ip, you’ll know the cartels have run out of patience.
In your average conflict this might very much be true, but this is the artic, its a completely different scenario. Ive been hearing a few military experts talk about how much complicated are simple things like keeping ur vehicles moving because of the low temps and how hard would be the logistic to simply maintain control on the ground.
EU will never beat the US air superiority, but alas. Invading Greenland is the end of NATO and most likely will trigger WW3
Would you rather have ‘peace
infor our time’?Edit: Fixed the quote.
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Peace for our time" was a declaration made by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain in his 30 September 1938 remarks in London concerning the Munich Agreement and the subsequent Anglo-German Declaration.[1] The phrase echoed Benjamin Disraeli, who, upon returning from the Congress of Berlin in 1878, had stated, “Lord Salisbury and myself have brought you back peace — but a peace I hope with honour.” The phrase is primarily remembered for its bitter ironic value since less than a year after the agreement, Germany’s invasion of Poland began World War II.
The Danish Foreign minister mentioned Chamberlain 3-4 times today after the meeting at the white house, clearly stating that he was not that and he could not promise peace
Whoosh.
Parent’s point is that there will not be any long-lived peace trying to appease fascists. It only buys a little time, and lets them creep further and further…
