I said for years that every second date should be to a grocery store. The first date can be as fancy and choreographed as the couple wants, but the second date needs to be to the grocery store.
You can learn just about everything you need to learn about a person from watching them at a grocery store. From how they chose a parking spot, to how they talk to employees, to how they budget, to how they prepare a list, to how healthy they eat, to how they check out, to if they return the shopping cart.
Change your mind on a product. Do they put it back where it belongs or throw it on the nearest clearly wrong shelf?
Or, is the person a shopper at all? Do they act like they’ve never been to a grocery store in their lives?
That’s useful information.
Or do they compulsively steal? And if so, did they remember what my favourite chocolate bar is?
Gen z is already struggling to date. They don’t need the added barrier of not ordering limos for their burrito and being judged for it.
It’s all about compatibility here. If the date thinks they need limo burritos then that’s important information.
Meanwhile I have no idea what a limo burrito is
Doordash, hyerbolically? Metaphorically? referring to the transport vehicles as limos
Every burrito that gets delivered to your home is delivered in the best car it’ll ever drive in, miracles of technology, all limo’s to the burrito.
Oh my god I would just leave right then
tbf, ime people working grocery stores like lost/cast off items like that (assuming it doesn’t spoil quick). the small game of “oh, where does this go” is much wanted change of pace to the mind numbing tedium that is working a grocery store
I used to work for a winter sports store. Skis, snowboards, winter clothes, etc.
On slow days during the week, it was often just me running the floor while I had some guys doing service work in the back. So I had a day where I was alone in front of the store, doing price changes on a rack of skis. Behind me, the only customer in the shop went through every clothing rack and meticulously removed every garment from its hanger and laid it over top of the rack. When I finally caught on to what she was doing, she said, “It looked like you needed something to do!” And then she left without buying anything.
It’s been at least 15 years, and I still get livid thinking about that.
Holy shit, I am the opposite. I had thought I wouldn’t make extra work for workers (unless I was in a hurry and it was a shelf stable thing, I will always put back a refrigerated or frozen thing where it belongs). But this breaking-the-tedium is a new perspective for me.
I’ve worked in retail and I disagree. Trying to keep everything in order but constantly having to deal with shoppers messing stuff is frustrating.
Are frozens a separate category here?
Just go shopping. We’ll discuss compatibility when we are done.
Heh. My first date with my husband ended up at a pizzeria chain. He pulled out a gift card (he won at karaoke). Believe it or not, despite Weird Al asserting that pulling out a coupon book when on a date is tacky, I actually admired it. We’ve been together 14 years, and this year is our tenth wedding anniversary. 😊 Turns out we had a whole lot more in common.
I feel like that would doom any chances I’d ever have of a relationship. I park really far away, visit the bathroom at least once for guerrilla art installations, and zig zig across the entire store as I remember what kinds of things I want. Both major exes hated this.
It’s all about compatibility. This is in your favor. If you had taken your ex’es grocery shopping early on then they wouldn’t be your ex’es now.
Gonna be honest, I’d find that pretty endearing!
Wow I would hate that too. I try to spend as little time in the grocery store as possible. I almost always have a list of exactly what I want and that’s it. It’s hard enough finding things that are on the list, never mind remembering new things to buy.
Most of the stuff in a grocery store is junk food. The good stuff is at the ends and around the back, with only a few good things in the aisles (staples like olive oil, spices, rice, pasta, canned tomatoes).
lol, this is how my first roommate vetted me. I guess I passed the test.
The supermarket is my 3rd space
Used to be mine, too, but I don’t browse like I used to. I only browse the Giant Tiger (Canadian budget department store a bit like the old Bargain! Shop and BiWay before it) and Dollarama. 😅
I don’t think I’ve talked to an employee in a grocery store in years. They’re all self check out or 95% self check out and there’s online directories to find the location of every product in the store
The online site for my grocery stores are good for making a list, but never tell me where it is in the store. If possible, some store sites do a list by how you add it. I am a bit obsessive about arranging my list around where stuff is, so I’m not zig zagging.
I use self checkout a lot, but at my local one, they ad match, so I have to show screenshots (or Flipp app) to the cashier to do it.
Date takes note.
Especially if they’re Greek and you go to university together?
“From how they choose a parking spot”
You no idea how much you just outed yourself as an american and not at all part of the “fuck cars” community that’s so popular here on lemmy for objectively good reasons. It’s fucking sad that was the first thing you thought was relevant.
Pretty sure they’re just going in order of operations? The first thing you do if you drove to the grocery store is park, that’s why they said it first. Weird ass little comment you’ve made here though lmao
Just what an insanely out-of-touch thing to say lol.
People from the “fuck cars” community are plainly aware that America largely does not have walkable cities and understands cars being necessary in some of those places, while advocating for infrastructural changes which would render cars unnecessary.
“It’s fucking sad that was the first thing you thought was relevant” yeah, it sucks that we literally would have to walk miles through pathless landscape, crossing over busy highways on foot, to reach our destination. And since, naturally, it would be fucking insane to do that literally every day, we have to buy in bulk.
Idk, sounds like you’re just kinda privileged.
Extremely specific contrary case (I always put my cart back, it’s fun when they accordion together), but my grandma appreciates the carts near the handicap spots because then she doesn’t have to get out her walker.
I honestly couldn’t car less about shopping carts. I want people to pick up their dog’s shit for fuck sake
All right, I’ll just drop off my shopping cart in front of your place, kick it over, and pick up my dog’s poop.
Deal?
Yeah, carts don’t smell and most have a coin so…
Yeah but you cannot eat a cart.
My first job at 15.5yo was the grocery store. I bagged and got carts for work when bagging could be plastic (newer), paper (common), or a combo of both (old people, usually). If you don’t return your cart, fuck you! Now I live a few blocks from the same grocery store and return that shit to the inside of the store, grabbing spares sometimes if they’re just sitting around in the way. It used to surprise me when someone didn’t return it, then the last couple decades happened and it makes more sense. There are just some people who want to be a part of society and others who want to benefit from it while not contributing to it.
If you don’t return your cart, fuck you!
It seems there’s a certain personality type the managers of stores prefer working out there in the parking lot.
Yeah, when I walk into the store, I grab them from the handicap spots. It’s the only place where I say “Okay, you get a pass,” when I see carts left, and so I bring em back to the store.
You give people a pass for ditching carts in the handicapped spaces?
Ha, definitely unclear. The presumption is it’s a person with a handicap who left it there. I know I’ve seen some older folks leave them at the end of the spaces and so I guess I’m more inclined to let slide someone who perhaps has some infirmity that makes walking difficult.
Interestingly I’ve read handicapped individuals prefer there to be a cart next to the handicap parking space. Save having to walk inside before getting a shopping cart that doubles as a walker.
Makes sense in my mind, could be bs though. I certainly haven’t done a study.
Jesus Christ, I’m out here disenfranchising the disabled.
You just can’t win in this thread, can you?
This whole chain was a roller coaster!
As long as you don’t dismember them
Yeah, my husband had cerebral palsy and loved when people left carts in the handicap areas. He’d grab that and use that to walk around the store instead of a cane.
Or a handicap person leaving it there. I don’t care I put it back but if people don’t who cares. Give the cart person something to do.
Trust me when I say, they don’t need an unnecessary amount of work to do. They already get the shit end of the stick by bagging, getting carts, helping patrons, and anything else no one wants to do, but they’re usually only in that rough of a spot because management refuses to hire additional baggers to help. The more we can do to help them, the less that’s on their plate.
If you got a legit reason to not return your cart, then no problem. But if you can return it to a carroll (spelling?), you should!
I’ll always grab two from the corral if there are two of the same size. It’s not much harder than bringing one.
Anything to help out our fellow laborers. What goes around will eventually come around for those of us who stick together! Sooner or later I hope we can build a solid coalition of laborers to push back against the robber-Barron’s (spelling?) destroying our futures’ for profit.
Holy shit these are some good edibles! I rest my case, your honor.
Sir, this i sa Wendy’s, or was a Wendy’s… until they shut it down… never mind, it’s s dispensery now… you’re in the right place.
Never understood people who couldn’t put the shopping carts in the cart return when they are done.
I hurt my knee a few years back, not going to return it if it’s too far away. There’s a good reason sometimes, it’s not a 100% judge of character.
If you can push it around the shop full of things, you can put it back while empty.
This is such hot garbage. Like I’m sorry but people stare and laugh when I bring my wheelchair to the store but then stand to reach a shelf. I’ve so often barely finished shopping out of exhaustion
Have to take a break after entering the store. Have to take a break halfway through. Have to take a break before check out. Have to take a break before parking lot. Take a longer break recouping in the car because groceries are fucking heavy with a spinal fracture.
Just because someone CAN do a given task doesn’t mean they can do it to the ability level of everyone else. Nor can they do it without longterm consequences, yes I can walk a few blocks, but I’ll be unable to move at all the next three days.
If someone says they can’t do something because of physical limitations, leave them the fuck alone about it and accept people struggle in unseen ways.
I sincerely hope you never dislocate your knee and still have to go shopping.
You know I actually have dislocated my knee twice. Still have never done that though.
To clarify, you were doing the shopping yourself? With the dislocated knee? Because that’s literally what they are saying happened. Not that they dislocated it once and then never returned the carts again. They say clearly below that they are fully mobile and return the carts now. So do you really want to stand by what you’re saying?
Of course. What else could I mean?
Well, I can think of at least two other interpretations off the top of my head, but I’m not really interested in explaining them to you.
At the end of the day, not everyone’s dislocated knee is the same. Doubling down on your position of “oh yeah? Well I got a dislocated knee, too, buddy, and I was still able to function!” is incredibly embarrassing for you, from my perspective.
I’ve never not returned a cart myself.
Sorry you’re such a butthurt loser over a person with a severe injury not returning their shopping cart to the corral. You sound like someone who is terrible to be around. Please never address me again.
Maybe that wouldn’t happen if people didn’t leave shopping carts around to bump into and fall over.
Or at least ask a passer-by?
If my knee was hurt so much I couldn’t walk right, I wouldn’t be driving a car either.
Not everyone has the luxury of not driving themselves despite whatever pain they have. There’s not always a passerby around, and besides, some people just fucking suck (looking at the driver who pulled over for my sibling when their face was caved in during an accident which resulted in like over 60 nose surgeries or something. Said driver literally said “I don’t have time for this, sorry” and left. Didn’t even call emergency services for them).
Groceries are expensive, should they just cost a $100 more for the disabled? Cause that’s what round-trip Uber costs when you don’t live in a city that doesn’t have adequate public transportation.
Even when the bus runs it’s another physical barrier to carry all those groceries. All this on top of your physical limitations making every other everyday tasks difficult and exhausting.
I’m much more talking from a community standpoint. I would ask family or neighbours to help.
I’m thinking of a different cost factor as well. If one’s knee is so badly hurt that walking 100m is a serious debate, I imagine it isn’t as useful in an emergency brake situation.So getting groceries might not cost 100$ more, it might cost one’s life.
Not everyone has people they can rely on, homie. At a certain point just accept that there can be a genuinely good reason for not returning a cart instead of doing mental gymnastics to justify a crazy “no tolerance” policy. Literally all that is being asked is that you take that other commenter at face value: it’s not always a 100% judge of character. In the first place, the idea of it being a judge of character is a meme, a joke- anyone with actual character would acknowledge that and also acknowledge that they don’t always know everything and there are exceptions to every rule..
I’m sorry for your downvotes. I can think of several reasons not to return the cart, with different levels of validity.
I’m almost always alone, not in a hurry, and quite healthy. I will look around for additional carts to return with mine because I recognize that, in the future I might be the one without to privileges. In short: Got chu, fam.
I’m fully mobile now and do the same. I think the downvotes are funny, but thanks for the support.
Sure, Adolph, go ahead and tell yourself whatever lies you need to go to sleep at night.
We see you.
/s
can walk around an entire store shopping with said cart, but can’t spend a fraction of that walking to return it
I’ve had a borked knee before. Sometimes you start the shopping trip and feel fine, but by the time you’ve covered half your list you’re leaning heavily on that shopping cart for support.
I’m lucky my partner was always able to return the cart for me because I’m not sure I could have made it back to the car after returning the cart to the cart stand.
You guys are some ablist mother fuckers.
this guy is right and the downvotes are insane. You don’t always know what’s going on. All they are asking is that maybe you don’t judge people so harshly when you don’t understand their situation. Jesus christ.
“No, I refuse! The world is perfect and you should have had a nurse or aide that you could totally afford help you out if it’s such a challenge for you! You were able to run the first half of the mile! Why can’t you finish it out?”
Ableist slime.
The ironing of assuming the worst, that someone is ableist before using dehumanising language by referring to people as slime. Cant beat it. Dude was temporarily injured anyway.
Every person ever has an excuse to ditch trollies of varying validity. No one would ever answer “because I’m a lazy, inconsiderate arsehole” if asked why they left it. Which can easily explain people assuming he’s one of said people and the downvotes. As someone who’s disabled would say “Im disabled” or something to that effect, not “I hurt my knee”. Much more likely than they hold the physically disabled to the same standard or are assuming “everyone who’s disabled should have an aide”. Get a grip.
Ableists are subhuman slime.
Not ironic, morally consistent. There is no paradox of tolerance.
Having a temporary injury still affects ability.
Crazy to expect people with difficulty moving to move more for your sake.
If they are assuming “everyone who’s disabled should have an aide”, well, first off they’re strictly wrong. And secondly? They shouldn’t be making assumptions? Ever heard that saying?
I didn’t make assumptions. I saw someone make ableist statements. I called them ableist. They can retract their ableism at their discretion.
Get a grip. And maybe a more thoughtful argument steeped in logic and rational objectivity.
Having a temporary injury still affects ability.
But is not disabled, by definition and therefore calling people criticising them ableist, is incorrect. Let’s try to keep this based in logic and rational objectivity.
The point that sailed over your head in your further attempt to do what passes as virtue signal by your metric, is that you’re engaging in the same behaviour you’re criticising. Judging people without attempting to understand, hence my attempt to explain they likely are not, as you accuse “assuming all disabled should have aides”. While providing potential reason for why the initial comment was downvoted. Ableism while morally bankrupt and disgusting behaviour doesn’t warrant referring to people as “subhuman slime”.
imagine telling on yourself like this
not on lazy and selfish, but obviously dumb both for sharing this and for thinking the explanation makes any sense. also, for not just parking near the fucking corral on the first place
what a fuckin’ wanker
Yes, this is always an option available. There are always parking spots near the corrals, and the corrals are never in the middle of the parking lot, forcing a person with a disability to cover considerably more distance.
can walk around an entire store shopping with said cart, but can’t spend a fraction if that walking to return it
You were able to run the first 90% of the mile! Why’re you slowing down so much?!
Ha! Let me tell you an anecdote.
My apartment building is positioned around 7 to 10 minutes walking distance to IKEA, a huge department store and a few small grocery stores. People would be fine dragging a IKEA/department store/grocery store cart for 10 fucking minutes being loud and an ass. And of fucking course they wouldn’t bring them back.
Also, some of them would bring one INSIDE OF THEIR FUCKING APARTMENT and keep it on the balcony filling it with trash. In some cases, they would bring trash inside cart out to the trashcans (we have private that open only with our key) and leave cart with their trash at the trashcans.
On average, our apartments are expensive and most of our neighbors are wealthy enough to rent these apartments. Yet, we got swines all over our apartment block…
Edit: wanted to add that this is in a major city of an EU country.
Why would wealth correlate with morals?
If you’re think poor people are more likely to be shitheads, that’s propaganda speaking for you.
People being shitheads is ubiquitous, eh? Very frustrating.
I am so worried about the book accurate version of this movie coming out.
Is this one of these american things? I have never seen someone not returning the shopping cart.
There’s math behind it.
Walmart: they won’t even walk the cart one spot over to the car corrall.
Target: They generally return them at least to the corrall. Target lots are usually smaller and busier.
My local grocer: They’ll return them if there’s a corral in the current line. If they park on the outside, they’ll never return them.
If the place has a small busy lot with lots of corrals and isn’t poverty level shopping, most will make it back.
If it’s a giant walmart with one corrall per zipcode and people that are fed up with life, they might just let it roll down the hill into traffic.
I guess they don’t have to put a euro in?
In my neighborhood the grocery stores stopped requiring a coin to get them during COVID-19 lockdowns. They kept it that way, and people put the carts back in the parking lot (although most people walk to the shops).
Where I live they often end up dumped outside people’s houses. They use them like personal carts and pile them up at home on the street until the shops come past and collect them
Also Aus, seeing them clustered in a group of 2-4 off in a random parking bay isnt uncommon (although annoying) and seeing a single trolley a block from the shops in the grass of a park as soon as it became too hard to push any further is rare, but i do spot it from time to time.
I haven’t seen a shopping cart without a coin slot for a very long time. Communist Europe does not have moral lessons for citizens!
Aldi’s is the only chain that I specifically remember seeing those coin locked shopping carts/trolleys at here in the US. I know they are used other places, but it’s been years since I was in those parts of the US and don’t remember the other store chains that use them.
Almost every single store in SoCal uses shopping carts/trolleys with a “brake” on one of the wheels. If you pass outside of the IR perimeter of the store’s designated property (which frequently doesn’t include the outside parking spaces of their own parking lot, thereby making them a problem for all their customers,) one of the wheels locks so the cart/trolley is basically unuseable.
Many, but nowhere near most, of the carts/trolleys that don’t use such technology of coin based locks, or wheel brakes end up being used by the people experiencing homelessness to cart what few possessions they have left. Most of their stuff has already been stolen by the cops and shoved into garbage trucks, or in the case of their pets, they get taken to the shelter and put down.
This isn’t just true of California, but they at least try to not do this heartless crap to everyone, just the most vulnerable of us that can’t remember schedules. Other states don’t even give schedules. The cops and trash crews show up in the middle of the night, and your tent, all your possessions, probably all your important ID papers that you have, and your pets disappear. You now have to pay to get your pets back. All your property went into a garbage truck, was compacted, and went to the landfill. You don’t get that stuff back.
Cruelty is the point in the US, and always has been.
I wonder why that is. I mean that location-based brake must be way more expensive than those simple mechanical coin deposit slots.
If you don’t know, the carts are chained together and you can only remove one when you put in €1 or so, and you only get that back when you chain the cart back in - it’s not perfect, but good enough. Turns out people are very much willing to walk a few metres to get that back.My guess is that American stores don’t want to inconvenience their customers. The fear of losing even .01% because of introducing a system like that.
I can’t really reply to your much appreciated homelessness rant; probably because I have never seen it as bad as it seems to be in at least some places in the USA. My empathy though.
As I said, Aldi’s and a few other store chains use the coin and chain lock method of ensuring the carts are returned. I suspect the brake locks are more expensive, but are less of a cultural inerta barrier to break.
When I was a kid in the '80s and '90s, I didn’t see either method of ensuring cart return. We just went around the lot and returned all the carts because it was something to do while out mom was in the store. Technically I think we were supposed to stay in the van, but we got bored easily and using the carts as scooters was fun.
uh, people are very, very gross in the united states. i’m just going to leave it at that one of those chains would end up someone’s butthole.
My local supermarket in Germany doesn’t have coin slots in its carts. This was unusual for me, too, though; maybe an urban-rural-divide.
Then come to capitalist Europe. Because in Belgium we do have those without a coin slot.
People even propose to take them off other people after they are done, so those people don’t have to bring it back to cart return and can just leave instead. While there are plenty in the in stock. It is just a nice thing to do.
Sweden doesnt have them and people return them. The one problem is a lot of peoplr also kinda steal them but that would not be prevented by 1 euro.
the shopping centers i’ve been going to, everyone has been returning them.
or stealing them. this fucking economy.
Right? I dont see anyone leaving them arround like its usually depicted. Its either straight up stolen or returned in an orderly fashion.
Stopped using those 10+ years ago here in Norway. I guess having to deal with cash was more of a hastle for the supermarkets than having to retrieve the occational cart.
If anything it’s a hassle for the customers, the supermarkets themselves don’t have to deal with the cash. It’s a deposit. Turns out losing NOK 10 is a very good incentive for people to behave.
I meant having to hand out change/tokens when 90%+ of customers didn’t really use cash.
Ugh… This clashes for me with what actually happens in the movie. You’re basically saying only a good fascist returns the shopping cart.
But we all know, only fascists won’t return their shopping cart. Monsters…
For those that may have somehow missed it…
I expected this to be higher up
according to the meme, from now I see “returning the cart” as a fascist move
The world sucks man
The book is way too “Wow the military is cool!” for how long the author actually served it seems weird. Movie definitely has better theming, characters of course shine better in the book but the book seems to not think they are fascist. The author protrays it as kinda good or necessary.
Robert Heinlein had a serious respect/love for both the military and the mormon religion. The movie, on the other hand, is a satire of the book. Personally, I prefer the movie
I do too after reading the book. But I do believe after reading that there is so much room for more. A show would be great but I want the real suits. It really gets across the terrorism.
Power armor and terrorism, you say? Could I interest you in Warhammer 40K?
Heinlein liked to turn sociopolitical thought experiments into novels. Stranger in a Strange Land was published a year and a half after Starship Troopers. If you’re not familiar, it’s basically about starting a massively successful free-love commune religion. The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, five years later, is about a libertarian (arguably anarchic, by some definitions) revolution for independence.
I think any attribution of advocacy of any of the political ideologies expressed in his books, even when vindicated by the narrative, misses the point a bit. It seems much more likely that he was exploring various political ideas through the narrative form.
Kinda like this post about The Twilight Zone:
I was always told by military people, the longer you serve, the more you hate it. That only people going hoorah after getting out were the ones that served like a month long type stuff.
Yeah the book glazes the military and he didn’t serve that long so it does line up.
There is no such thing as a good person , we are both good and evil…given perspective.
The line between good and evil cuts through the heart of each of us.
Nah. “Don’t cause unnecessary harm”, job done, you’re a good person now.
Well now we have to discuss what harm we consider “necessary”, and that’s where things get pretty tricky.
Anything where the goal is objectively to help the other person. Pain caused by the dentist, for instance. That’s technically harm, but it’s necessary, and it’s objectively helping the person being subjected to pain.
Anything ideology-related (like conversion camps) is unnecessary harm, because ideology (or morality, for that matter) is subjective.
Locking someone in prison is necessary harm - you’re protecting other people from the harm caused by the person locked up, and that’s an objective fact.
Killing someone in a defensive war is necessary harm - you’re the one being invaded, you can either defend yourself or get killed.
To me, it’s all fairly simple.
You’re following the same train of thought that justifies a lot of the rich futurists’ actions. It’s objectively better to help 20 million people down the line even if it costs 1 million lives today, right? I mean, net 19 million. To me, that’s simple.
No, because rich futurists base their actions solely on the belief in a subjective theory. There are many ways to achieve what they’re after, and many of those ways do not require anyone’s hurt.
The subjective theory that there will be a future? Or their subjective theory on what to do about it, which you are pitting against your own subjective theory on what to do about it? What is objective about your claim that there are many ways to help as many people as possible that don’t involve any hardships?
Let’s backtrack a bit: what do you mean by “rich futurists”, because - apparently - it’s not what I mean.
Instructions unclear, cardiac surgeons are the line between good and evil.
There’s philosophy and then there’s the real application. There are tons of lines that, when crossed, we as a society consider evil. Rape, torture, murder etc. are usually considered “evil enough” for perpetrators to be permanently removed from society.
I order online for pickup which takes up way more of the staffs time. Am I a civitizen?
