What I said in a reply to a comment chain
It’s TSH or thyroid stimulating hormone an entirely different test.
I see this all the time at my work, like a dozen different results are printed off with the lab header and footer but no page breaks.
The PSA is on the page before and this spiel might be at the end of a much longer one listing all the default ranges (normal, cancer, post surgery etc).
It’s pretty meaningless.
I think Epstein was a Canary M. Burns situation. He was an asset but also a fall guy. Why rescue the patsy?
It’s a coincidence that Maxwell is still alive while Epstein’s neck just did that. Pay no attention to who her father was or the guests in her father’s funeral.
Yeah I always thought she was the handler, not the henchman.
well Virginia Giuffre did say thay specifically
I’m still very skeptical of this “Epstein is ALIVE!” shit.
Like I’m a little worried about this turning into Leftist PizzaGate shit.
There is like a 0.1% he’s alive in Israel based on the evidence I’ve currently seen.
Like I’m a little worried about this turning into Leftist PizzaGate shit.
I think the difference between leftists exploring Epstein stuff and fascists doing Qanon stuff is that we don’t need it. This case doesn’t fill any void in my life and I don’t feel like a gumshoe about to uncover the grand plot. Dead, alive, homicide or suicide- his fate is completely arbitrary to me. It’s a conspiracy where my default position is
and the only meaningful thing to gain from investigating it is a larger list of names.This case doesn’t fill any void in my life and I don’t feel like a gumshoe about to uncover the grand plot.
I’d be careful cuz I’m sure some of these PizzaGate cranks started out the same way. They were just channers trolling till they talked themselves into their own bullshit.
don’t work yourself into a shoot
A what now?
a work is a fake fight presented as real, a shoot is a real fight that was supposed to be fake
wtf are you and old timey boxing coach? Are you saying this to Rocky before he goes back in the ring?
It’s professional wrestling terminology - back when the art form actively concealed the fact that it was fixed, they developed a bunch of subcultural slang to discuss it, including work/shoot and a bunch of other terms like ‘kayfabe’ - the word for the practice of maintaining the illusion that pro wrestling was real.
I remember visiting r/CBTS_stream within a few days of its creation, the moment Qanon went beyond 4chan where it was just one more user doing that kind of posting. Even with less than 100 people in the subreddit, I immediately knew it was something different and dangerous because those people were desperate. Their voice chatrooms were the most depressing place I’ve been online- boomers chainsmoking and falling asleep on mic while trying to impress each other by finding a new clue. Their posts instantly fused Trump with Evangelical prayer threads with all of the existing Obama-era conspiracies in a way that made every contribution equally valid and every contributor a genius. People assumed that Q was at least a CIA agent, if not Trump himself getting on reddit to talk to his secret friends in code. Whenever I ran a user analyser on the subscribers, unless they had a new account it always had the saddest results in terms of subscriptions and posts. Qanon and Pizzagate are psychosexual things. They’re paedophiles who want to feel strong and smart and morally righteous by stopping the paedophiles they support.
Russiagate is less psychosexual, but there’s still a deep need driving it. Liberals can’t imagine being anything other than institutionalists and can’t accept that those institutions don’t serve them. They spent the entire first Trump term begging for anyone in the system to
and say “mr president, your russia sir.”. The only thing that could explain the state of the US was that we secretly became a bunch of Asians overnight. The only thing that could explain any dissenting voice online was that they personally were being stalked by every bad guy in a James Bond film.Both of those are hardcore Millerite movements. They gave an outsized sense of importance to the users who had nothing else to believe in, purely a skinner box that you press to remove cognitive dissonance. They insisted that all of the contradictions would be erased overnight and that some form of utopia would come after the promised one delivered us. We’d finally drain the swamp, we’d finally return to a good president leading a noble empire. It all hinged on hypothetical documents that only existed if the core conspiracy did.
With Epstein everything is already there and no one email is going to crack the case. The only time things actually shift is when another group of documents is released, and the only way they shift is that another group of people I already think should be guillotined for other reasons is implicated further. I don’t expect the republicans to save the day any more than I do the democrats any more than I do the institutions. If it comes out today that he’s still alive, I don’t expect that to change anything about the case for the same reason Maxwell being alive hasn’t. If every single name in the files is given a death penalty it won’t change anything because it’s just one more reason to hate the same class and they’ll all be replaced tomorrow. The built-in scepticism toward anyone doing anything about it is where it’s different for me. At least on Hexbear I haven’t seen anyone under the illusion that the dam is about to break or that we can make that happen through pure willpower. It’s much closer to True Crime Slop, just an empty Two Minutes’ Hate, than it is Qanon.
Ya i made a post musing about being careful not to drive ourselves insane with epstein conspiracies. As the other commenter mentioned, we don’t actually need these conspiracies to prove our worldview. Although mentioning them in brief can potentially be a good propaganda tool at an individual level, perhaps.
To me this smells more like a coverup of an assassination, but I moved on to the actual living pedophiles.
Personally I don’t think it’s likely, but that 4chan post being linked to the IP of an actual guard working at the facility at the time, and possibly this means that skepticism and arguing the possibility aren’t illogical positions
Imo speculation is fine even good, as long as people don’t over focus on it, and make it their whole personality, and all they talk about which is one of the many problems with QAnoners/Pizzagaters
Ten years from now... "CIA admits to joint operation with Mossad that included faking Epstein's death and spiriting him back to Little St. James Island, where he rides around in a golf cart in disguise"I don’t see what there is to worry about, we can’t do shit about it and it affects nothing we do.
You should very much be worried about having an incorrect analysis. If communists have neither power nor a correct analysis, we have literally nothing
I’m just worried about people going down rabbit holes. No one is immune to getting paranoid on the internet
That’s not how schizophrenia is precipitated. Schizophrenic delusions are highly personal, e.g. “I literally am Jeffrey Epstein” or “CIA agents are stalking my home because I know too much about Epstein”. They differ fundamentally from “ordinary” conspiracy theories.
I’m using the word clinically, not as an ableist pejorative. I have loved ones with the illness.
Apologies. Edited.
I wouldn’t know what to call it, but it is defiantly a thing, people getting a bit too deep into weird stuff on the internet to the point it starts negatively affecting their lives.
Delusions are what I think you want, and it isn’t specific to any diagnosis.
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Yeah, it’s like a leftist ghost story about the Great Man who escaped death to personally dab on us.
It’s his role as an agent and facilitator for Power that mattered, not himself. It would be injust for him to be alive - but so what! What a tiny thing! Does anything change with or without him?
Can it be proven, proven? Does it lend authenticity, trust, reliability, to the leftist perspective? No! There is arguing over the flaccidity of a fucking earlobe!
Raise the possibility, fine. Enjoy a little speculation. But without evidence, real evidence treated dispassionately, there must be no solid conclusions. What Is To Be Done doesn’t change one bit, so incorporating weak arguments only dissipates energies. And thus Power wrings some more use out of him.
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Well said
I’m a centrist (I think he was probably/possibly murdered)
It’s more likely they faked the autopsy report in my opinion than Epstein being alive. Imagine they go to the coroner and say “make a believable autopsy report for Epstein. No you cannot see the body.” So the coroner just writes a typical report not knowing a detail like this. It feels way more likely. But who knows, if the coroner never saw the body then he could be dead or alive. Just no way to know. But all this really proves is that the report was faked. Which is interesting but it doesn’t necessarily prove anything else.
Or “Here’s the report that you’re signing.”
Yeah possible. One way or another the autopsy report does not match the fact that he doesn’t have a prostate.
I think I’m on the side of “he’s alive in Israel” though.
Would be funny if he got killed in one of the Iranian missile strikes
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I think I’m on the side of “he’s alive in Israel” though.
Why? It seems seriously unreasonable to think that they didn’t kill him and instead took an already very hazardous situation and gave themselves another catastrophic liability.
The simplest answer is these people were friends bonded over committing crime
If they were manufacturing a fake autopsy report to support the case for a hanging death then why would they mention a broken hyoid bone which is typical of strangulation?
Incompetence?
The testes are unremarkable
relatable. feels weird when they’re remarked upon, tbqh
the second quoted text is obviously describing a hypothetical. many of you need to log off I’m afraid.
Lol I will never log off
That third link doesn’t claim Epstein had his prostate removed, they’re discussing a hypothetical
And the first one is a blurb from a bloodwork report where they explain the ranges. I don’t think labs have access to your full medical history.
And also the PSH is clearly still in the normal range, contradicting the blurb above it. (Unless the tests were before/shortly after that operation? In which case the topic would probably appear more in the emails, considering the date)
It’s TSH or thyroid stimulating hormone an entirely different test.
I see this all the time at my work, like a dozen different results are printed off with the lab header and footer but no page breaks.
The PSA is on the page before and this spiel might be at the end of a much longer one listing all the default ranges (normal, cancer etc).
It’s pretty meaningless.
Jeffrey: […] you don’t have a prostate, right?
Epstein: Correct.
You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra, because you don’t have a prostate, right?
Jeffrey: Correct
it’s a hypothetical, they’re talking about effects of testosterone in general. ‘you’ doesn’t mean epstein, it’s casual language in place of a third-person pronoun
As written, with the comma after “Viagra”, I believe it does claim that he doesn’t have a prostate.
Explanation:
You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra, because you don’t have a prostate, right?
vs.
You can have high testosterone and still have a need for Viagra because you don’t have a prostate, right?
In the first sentence, the second clause acts as a parenthetical; it’s adding independent information. In the second sentence they’re discussing the hypothetical “one might still require Viagra if one doesn’t have a prostate”.
Also, in the first interpretation, Epstein’s answer of “correct” is a response to a simple yes-or-no question about his personal status, which makes perfect sense. In the second interpretation, Epstein is confidently offering a medical opinion, which seems less likely (because he’s a dolt). A more believable answer in that scenario would be something like “I guess so”.
if the theory hinges on the presence/absence of a single comma in the written transcript of a verbal interview, it’s giving leftist pizzagate
considering how shitty the spelling and grammar is in the emails i’m probably not willing to bet big on punctuation
The transcript is by a professional transcription company (CastingWords), not Epstein himself.
Trying to get specific about punctuation and then saying that a subordinate clause is a parenthetical because it’s acting like a normal subordinate clause is unhelpful, and also you’re misreading it anyway because that’s not what makes it read as more likely a hypothetical question. What makes it obviously more likely hypothetical is that it’s asking about a situation someone can be in, that they can still need Viagra rather than do still need Viagra. Phrased another way, the question is “It’s not deductively true that people with high T don’t need Viagra, because someone with high T may not have a prostate and that could result in them needing it, right?” Like if I say to you, “You can be handsome and still have trouble getting laid if you’re interpersonally annoying, right?” There’s no suggestion that I’m claiming any of those things are true about you, I’m just indicating a situation using the general sense of “you.” In my experience, people often use this wording to ask about themselves (whether their current situation or one they might be worrying about being in in the future).
It would be miles more normal to just word the original question “Despite having high testosterone, do you still need Viagra because you don’t have a prostate?” or something like that (you can reorder the items, of course) if it was asking about Epstein’s own condition.
I wonder if they were just too grossed out by the idea of inspecting Epstein’s prostate and just made it up.
he “kills himself,” intelligence goons immediately walk out with the body, coroner signs or is ordered to fabricate this report. that would be my best guess.
His ass alive in Tel Aviv and playing Fortnite
I was still skeptical but it’s really really fucking hard to stay skeptical when things like organs that shouldn’t be there exist.
I guess he had the resources to harvest a new one out of a child and have it implanted. If it came from his eugenics farm in New Mexico and used his genetic material (e.g., to reduce risk of tissue rejection), the kid that they stripped for parts might have been predisposed to the same health issues as Epstein.
This is half-shitpost, half-“this isn’t really beyond the pale for these chucklefucks” territory
harvest a new one out of a child and have it implanted.
I fucking hate that I can’t reject this idea.
I don’t think a prostate is an organ that can be successfully transplanted though. But I hate that the “this isn’t medically feasible” is the part of this that actually makes it unlikely, rather than the monstrousness of the idea.
It is about that time
Right?!
There’s a book I read as a kid called “House of the Scorpion” with the same premise
You mean Roblox
Edit: I don’t necessarily think he’s alive.
I thought it was far more likely the account just got hacked or some shit but at this point more and more things seem to actually lead to this being a possibility. Insane.
Just his ass though, that’s why he’s so shitty at it
The photo comparisons of Epstein dead vs. alive (if accurate) had me wondering
NSFW dead body
Okay, I’m maybe gonna argue against doing this kind of shit in leftist spaces unless it’s explicitly satirical.
This is Channer conspiracy shit, these 100% could be the same guy just with photos taken in different contexts.
Like if we wanna discuss shit about Epstein focus on the stuff we actually have strong evidence for, like his Mossad connections, or the unclear sources of his money.
Sometimes conspiracies are real, especially when they involve the ruling class
The motherfuckers are telling us this corpse is of a man with completely different features and organs he didn’t have
At this point the more absurd belief is that there isn’t a conspiracy involved
so there’s an even deeper conspiracy that this guy was smuggled out to… where? where he will never again be able to see the light of day because if anyone ever saw him the whole jig is up again!
doesn’t make any sense. why would anyone dare risk that, especially when presumably the whole reason is to keep all of his shit hidden and quiet, which didn’t happen and is out in the open now
edit: i’m shocked that this many people buy into this… wow.
so there’s an even deeper conspiracy that this guy was smuggled out to… where?
Israel
why would anyone dare risk that
Because Israel wants its operatives to know they’ve got their back no matter what despicable shit they’re doing for Israel. They want them to know they will not be abandoned by Israel, even when imprisoned. It keeps them from turning to save their own skin.
I’m sure Israel kills its operatives all the time. Pretty much all big intelligence agencies do.
Even in Israel he’d have to keep his head real fucking low.
If the israelis were happy to kill Bob Maxwell, why not Jeff
Because Israel wants its operatives to know they’ve got their back no matter what despicable shit they’re doing for Israel. They want them to know they will not be abandoned by Israel, even when imprisoned. It keeps them from turning to save their own skin.
The Hannibal Doctrine country wants its agents to know that it will put itself at massive risk to keep them alive?
Soldiers do not get the same value calculation as intelligence operatives performing sex crimes and blackmail at an international scale for the state.
I’m still in the “intelligence agencies will unceremoniously liquidate assets who have outlived their usefulness and have become a liability” camp, so if they did whisk him out of jail, it’s to liquidate him at a black site where no one knows where he is. Why would they want to kill him and bury his body in an unmarked grave? It’s to liquidate him in a gruesome torturous fashion, presumably to serve as an example for assets who have become liabilities.
Because Israel wants its operatives to know they’ve got their back no matter what despicable shit they’re doing for Israel. They want them to know they will not be abandoned by Israel, even when imprisoned. It keeps them from turning to save their own skin.
They don’t need Epstein to be alive. They just need to think Epstein is still alive. Mossad isn’t going to bring Epstein out to shake hands with prospective agents to show that he’s still alive. It’s going to be through rumors like “I’ve heard that Epstein is still having coke parties at Tel Aviv.” Those rumors don’t require Epstein to be physically alive though.
Perhaps this is the real conspiracy: they liquidate Epstein at his cell so he wouldn’t squeal and they fake enough discrepancies (autopsies with anatomical inconsistencies, edited postmortem photos to make it look like it’s not him) to push a “Epstein is still alive” narrative that both gives Mossad agents cope that they aren’t disposable tools and discredits the idea that intelligence agencies were behind his death (“saying the CIA killed Epstein is a conspiracy theory like how Epstein is still alive.”).
if the body switching whatever shit everyone is talking about here is even remotely true, then this would be the most plausible explanation to me
if anyone ever saw him the whole jig is up again!
How would that work?
“Hello, officer? I saw someone who looked like Jeffrey Epstein!”
“This is huge news! I will call the Justice Department. This will be the top story in every newspaper!”
These photos have been floating around the web, and they could very well be fakes. In fact, I’d bet they probably are fakes, but their existence proves that photos are not convincing proof in this day and age.
If he really were still alive and were, for example, arrested (again) for something, he would almost certainly have a new furbished identity and the associated documentation. The real Jeffrey Epstein was confirmed to have multiple passports from different countries.
These photos have been floating around the web, and they could very well be fakes. In fact, I’d bet they probably are fakes, but their existence proves that photos are not convincing proof in this day and age.
What kind of argument is this? “Fake photos mean that photographic evidence means nothing”? Even with fake pictures, if they convincingly have a date and time you will get people to investigate it in a story as big as this one, and what matters aren’t a couple of contextless photos but what people are able to dig up when pointed in a specific direction.
If he really were still alive and were, for example, arrested (again) for something, he would almost certainly have a new furbished identity and the associated documentation. The real Jeffrey Epstein was confirmed to have multiple passports from different countries.
If the dude has been captured, you can’t just use a fake ID as a magic ticket to not be identified. He’s still the same organism, there are countless ways of identifying him based on existing evidence in a situation like that.
i’m shocked that this many people buy into this… wow.
Yeah, I already consider myself to have kind of a pessimistic attitude about HB and this shit just makes me sad. It’s pathetic and I thought people were at least better than this but they are literally at sub-Hasan levels of ability to analyze this.
He could be pretty much anywhere outside the US with a beard and, if he really wants to be careful, some makeup. He’s just a normal looking white dude, no one’s going to be looking at him that closely.
Seriously. He looks just like my 10th grade math teacher, Mr. Jeff!
Wait you didn’t go to High School in NYC in the 70s did you?
Statistically speaking, I could have
Plastic surgery and a beard are not that hard
What if they thought, ‘surely, killing him would be so unbelievable everyone would be on our ass’?
It’s CIA/Mosad, we can’t trust anything they say or do. Pics can be fabricated, decoy dead bodies could be used, reports can be faked, etc. ad nauseum.
We don’t need further proof that the ruling class are vile freaks and they’re dabbing on us. Faked his death or not, doesn’t change the material reality that we’re being ruled over by demons, and their crimes are being exposed more and more every day.
Sooner or later the dam will break, don’t let their hyper reality panopticon distract you from materialist analysis and what is to be done.
I honestly don’t think most of us have seen enough dead bodies to know what happens to a body when a person dies
Can you provide evidence that it is normal for a person’s nose to completely change shape immediately after they die? Personally I’ve never seen evidence of that and common sense tells me that it isn’t true.
if you strangle someone and drop them on their face that could change the nose shape
I have no clue because I have not seen many dead bodies before and after death and neither have you
“I have no clue what I’m talking about, but I’m going to assert it as fact anyway”
What are you claiming I am asserting as fact?
Okay but this could also be just a paperwork fuck up.
Are you doing a bad bit? What are the statistics for paperwork fuck ups that accidentally add organs that shouldn’t be there? They literally described his prostate as “slightly and diffusely enlarged”?
What are the statistics for paperwork fuck ups that accidentally add organs that shouldn’t be there?
We are talking about an American hospital here.
Fair point
As long as the discussion isn’t promoting harm to marginalized groups I don’t see the problem.
Would you feel the same if I were comparing photos of the Brian Thompson murder suspect and Luigi Mangione to suggest that the police framed the wrong guy?
Some conspiracy theories are ridiculous because they break the laws of physics. The notion that an intelligence agency could fake the death of an asset is not one of them; it only seems beyond the pale because it requires a major shift in our established worldviews. If Epstein were some low level mobster in a case that nobody had heard about, I doubt we’d bat an eye at the proposition of similar shenanigans. But because he’s a world class villain who has loomed large in politics for decades, a major shift in the narrative triggers the backfire effect.
The notion that an intelligence agency could fake the death of an asset is not one of them
Assets are supposed to be disposable though. The hierarchy is case officers > handlers > assets. I think Maxwell is the handler, owning to her closer ties to intelligence through her father, while Epstein is simply an asset. The other convincing argument for this relationship is the fact that the handler is still alive while the asset has been liquidated. Epstein, like all assets who have outlived their usefulness, becomes the fall guy.
You can see this pattern in other cases. For the Oklahoma City bombing, McVeigh and his accomplice driver were disposable assets while John Doe 2 their handler has connections with West German intelligence. And after the bombing happened, McVeigh and the driver were left to rot while the feds tried to erase all existence of John Doe 2 like confiscating security camera footage in surrounding buildings that would’ve definitively proven the existence of John Doe 2. McVeigh got executed with lethal injection while John Doe 2 got flown out of the US by a pilot working for the CIA. There are levels to this.
Intelligence agencies could fake a death but they also could and do post fake shit online to confuse people or control narrative. Remember when the intelligence agencies said he killed himself? Then we said that they killed him because the hyoid bone stuff and his brother had beef with the medical examiner? They paid for a second autopsy? Now we’re saying that same intelligence agency didn’t kill him but faked his death. How can Epstein be too dangerous to let live but also too valuable to kill? Materially it can only be one answer. He has one place within the organization of capital and the whole point of all this was to examine that. He can’t be in two places at once. Either he was a liability to the larger organization of intelligence blackmail, a medium to large cog in a larger machine or he’s the absolute center of it all and his success can’t be replicated.
As long as the discussion isn’t promoting harm to marginalized groups I don’t see the problem.
Undermining our ability to reasonably assess what’s going on with the US and Israel should be regarded as equivalent to promoting such harm for obvious reasons.
the ear alone is enough to make me wonder.
My ear sometimes just changes shape completely
I mean come on. No, it doesn’t completely. I’m not really that invested in your ear so whatever. If you insist.
by the way US consular officials are trained to look especially at ears when checking identity photos because they are so hard to disguise
Looks the same to me just like deflated and that little floppy bit that’s closest to the jawbone flopped in instead of sticking out/firm like mine usually are. Not sure if dying causes that part to lose rigidity or not but all the same characteristics seem to be there when I look at it, just more sunken in on the underlying structure. Maybe a nose does a similar thing and that’s why it’s drooping down. I have no idea what loss of blood pressure does to a person body let alone dying so I could certainly be completely wrong, I just don’t see anything I can’t envision having a logical explanation.
We don’t know if it’s his left or right ear we’re seeing in either picture. I found this picture of him with an ear that looks like the one where he’s dead
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What do you mean we don’t know if it’s his left ear? Are you suggesting the image was mirrored? On what basis?
Images get mirrored all the time, so it’s very possible that one of the images is mirrored.
I’m sceptical. Dead people do weird things sometimes, and a small change in facial shape isn’t out of the pale for a corpse.
The ear is pretty damning, that is a completely different ear.
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It says “the prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged”, how is that not saying that he has a prostate?
Surely if the prostate was absent, it would not be saying that the prostate is enlarged.
“it’s hella big and also somewhere else”
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