Me being an iOS user and Linux user be like
When I can finally get a Motorola Graphene phones, iOS is gone.
Idk if it’s going to be signed then. If it is and graphene passes at least some layers of the BS Play Integrity API, then it would be perfect
But I mean, really, it’s all in what software you use. I used iOS with Linux for a while with KDE and KDE Connect along with Tailscale to connect the two with amazing results. Its not all bad. I like Android + Linux better, but iOS + Linux is definitely doable, at least it’s not iOS + Windows.
See, I like iOS because it integrates with my work laptop of a MacBook Pro. I don’t need to fiddle with my phone anymore and all texts just come through my laptop.
But also, I like tinkering/programming stuff on my time. iOS just works for the most part.
But it would be nice to not be giving money to corpo tech.
Same
I’m an iOS user too. I’d switch the day there’s a nice little Android smartphone that’s compatible with a Google-free OS (and by “little,” I mean under 5.8 inches, I don’t have giant hands).
IOS users hate Windows. Linux users hate Microsoft.
I don’t hate Microsoft, I hate nonfree software. I happily use free software developed by Microsoft, eg VSCodium.
I even avoid that, because of their EEE past. Also because if I’m going to run something as heavy as VSCodium, I might as well run Jetbrains IDEs which I personally find more ergonomic. Nonfree software, sure, but I like them as a company generally.
I like the JetBrains IDEs too from a purely practical perspective, but I would still rather use FOSS VSCodium than a nonfree JetBrains IDE. Those that are FOSS are a different story.
MS has apparently added AI to vscode… and it’s apparently a pain to, uh, extricate.
I switched to Linux because I hate Windows. I also dislike Microsoft, but I would have tolerated them like I tolerate my health insurance company if they didn’t make the UX increasingly terrible.
I could have installed iOS but Linux is more reliable for gaming afaik, and iOS may start enshittifying at any moment.
On what device were you going to install iOS on?
on my laptop yk
My bank has a website I can use to bank through, I dont even need an app.
The whole issue with banking apps must seem strange to people in some countries, and make perfect sense to people in other countries. My whole country rely on a 2FA app made by the banks. It’s in every aspect of society. Buying a bus ticket, booking a time for health care, doing taxes, applying for an apartment, signing contracts, all done with the same banking app. Only people with stallmanesque convictions manage without, with lots of effort. So far that app works on e/os/ and GrapheneOS, but not regular desktop Linux.
Oh, that’s a terrifying single point of failure.
I agree, and it’s run by private companies who could just shut it down or use it in evil ways. Our government is maybe making a state owned solution, but it will take time.
If you’re in Sweden you’ll be glad to know Sverige-ID is coming this December.
Aha, didn’t know that, thanks. I hope it will work with free operating systems.
2FA is the opposite of a single point of failure though. In order to impersonate you someone has to have access to your authentication device and your master password. There are no passwords to remember or get leaked/stolen, and you still have traditional identification and a physical backup in the form of codes or an authentication device.
In Sweden it’s like a minute of your time to set up a new phone, or at worst a trip to the bank if you lost your authenticator.
It also has a screen showing what information or authorization is being requested so that it’s much harder to get scammed.
I meant single point of failure as in, if the service gets interrupted you’re locked out of alot of shit you need until it comes back up.
The trade offs may be worth it, because overall that seems pretty useful.
I think they meant that the single app by all banks can go down through backend crash, buggy/malicious app update, etc.
I guess, but I’ve gone without BankID for about month previously. (It was my own fault for procrastinating multiple things.) You don’t need it; it’s just very convenient.
I’m having difficulty envisioning a malicious update. There’s a lot of transparency and regulations.
Ah right, that makes sense. If it were like upi or pix, and had single point of failure, it would have been scary.
This is terrible for disabled people.
I’m having trouble imagining how this makes anything more difficult than a traditional password setup. Can you please explain?
I know there’s issues surrounding its use, but solving those issues involves changing other policies, not getting rid of e-identification. For example, allowing someone to access their medical records in person instead of demanding they use the website, a problem which would persist with a usernam and password.
I recently got back to my country. They have e-id. I opened an account. Got paid. My phone broke. Signing up to the app requires a computer with an e-id reader. I use it once every couple of years. It took me ages to find one. Only to realize the stupid browser extension wasn’t working with linux. At the end I had to go to the stupid city hall. I’m disabled. I would rather use my personal passphrase. What seems easy to you may not be for everybody. I hate it here. Everything is bureaucratic, security first so that the already rich banker doesn’t loose 20 euros to fraudster, nothing it adapted, everything is loud and complicated and annoying.
What do people without smartphones (like the elderly) do?
Many of the elderly don’t know how to use their phones well, but most (from my experience, not actual data) can use BankID without issue because it’s simple to use. Before BankID they used much fussier code-based authenticators, so I think most people old enough to remember that are happy for modern convenience.
But a lot of web- and app-based services are less accessible for them. Finding out the bus times, navigating health services, and paying bills are often not available through traditional low-tech means. They also have the problem of not understanding why their old phone suddenly doesn’t work anymore. (They just took down the 2G network, for instance, and BankID no longer supports Android 9 and lower, if I’m remembering the right version.)
On most public transport nowadays it’s impossible to buy a ticket while boarding, but there isn’t so much as an automated ticket machine anywhere anymore. There are very nice customer service centers at central stations, but that doesn’t help the people trying to get to the central station.
There are a lot of problems, but I don’t think BankID is causing the most egregious ones. It’s a problem if you can’t access online banking because you can’t use the software to log in, but it’s even more of a problem if you don’t have the alternative of physical banking because society is cashless. It should be made more possible to live without digital services and smartphones even though I personally enjoy them.
They have smartphones, unless they are so old that they don’t need it.
Banks website works.
My bank uses 2fA where if used in a browser it wants me to scan a QR code on the screen with another app on my phone… I need a very complicated set of mirrors for that to work…
Get a different bank. That is rookie shit.
On the subject of banks, some cuntey banks only provide two options: app and in-person visits. So if you live out of state and the app doesn’t work for you on your version of Android, you’re fucked
Banks in my country don’t even do in person anymore. I hate these fucks
That’s so they can pass on the savings to you, right?
Right?
Yes, bankers are notoriously generous people who just like to give stuff for free
Linux: I run the bank
z/OS: No, you don’t.
Linux users sampling self-hosting options
I literally don’t do any finance on my phone at all. This image is qualified
Most bank apps work on Sailfish OS via Android App Support. Some don’t.
Spicy!
I’m disabled. Android and iOS have terrible accessibility. And so do banks
Not surprising to see the genapos have bad take lmao
You make a lot of assumptions about me for someone who doesn’t know me.
I do. I’m your daddy.
You could call once in a while you know? Mum is worried about you
My father’s been dead for years.
He killed himself minutes after he shot my mother.
Really?
Sorry about that, just wanted to pull your legs
what does iOS have to do with this, did you mean macOS?
iOS and Windows are not for the same use case, many people use both
That’s part of the humor to me. The iOS user chiming into a conversation they didn’t need to be a part of.
You are correct. But with a good number of people shifting from using traditional format computers to just their smartphones, there is a kernel of truth in the statement. Perhaps you sit at a desk and stare at spreadsheets or terminals to write code. I think this causes a certain bias among the tech cognisante in believing that everyone still owns a computer-- and many people still do. But there is a very great number of people that no longer own a traditional computer and don’t even want/can’t afford one. And many of them just own an iPhone for their basic everyday needs.
What I find scary that when I spent 4 years teaching math at my local school, many couldn’t use a mouse when faced with traditional computing tasks. And I needed to spend a class period teaching them how. If it doesn’t have touch screen they didn’t want to use it.
That’s just intellectually lazy, like not wanting to use a flight joystick or a ddr mat. Touch isn’t superior in all ways, it’s just a different way. For example, with a mouse, it’s wildly physically efficient, you can just rest your arm and wrist on the table and barely move and get tons of stuff done, quickly and PRECISELY, and virtually never get tired.
What age group(s) were the kids you were teaching? Were they gen alpha?
9-year-olds through 13-year-olds. So gen whatever we’re up to these days.
You need to understand that they start with iPads as young as 5 and use those until they are about 11 years old. And by 5th or 6th grade they get a smartphone. All touchscreen all the time. By 6th grade they get a Chromebook with a touch screen and touchpad. So by the time I needed them to use mouse, they not only had never used one, but a shocking number had ever seen one in real life, there was always one or two. That ain’t their fault. They quickly learn how to use one, but that didn’t mean they liked using one. They had spent short their life just not needing one. And for no small number of them, they won’t need one or ever need one unless they have a job that requires its use. It’s like if I handed you a space mouse and was upset you didn’t already know how to use it and program it. You probably don’t spend a good portion of your days at work using 3D CAD to design tooling up to complete manufacturing lines.
We get hung up on tech in this space and are shocked and surprised when we run into people that not only don’t share our love of tech, but really don’t much care. They got what works for them and don’t want anything more.
It’s like… Ironic luddite.
Yeah, maybe. But they might be the smart ones. What do you need a mouse for if you have no need?
I literally don’t know the difference.
Is iOS to Android as Windows is to Mac?
Even more confusing that it is written in all caps like the OS of the Nintendo Wii.
Hahaha, who the fuck cares? Will Apple sue me if I write it wrong? Wait a minute…
Linux user: “I hate Windows, because it’s a proprietary OS that got there through sabotage, goodwill from its user that it got on the honeymoon week of Windows 7, and is actively getting enshittified.”
iOS user: “I hate Windows, because the computers it is for don’t come with Gorilla Glass put on the screen, often are too heavy, and the installation of applications involve complicated steps, not just using the app store.”
Android users acting like their OS is open source while they use their OEM proprietary spice of it
Exception for the rare people using an actually fully FOSS OS
No one anywhere is daily driving a fully Foss OS, unless you can find someone running a GNU+Linux RISC-V PC, and is using it daily (sitting in front of it with keyboard & mouse or handicap equivalent) in some sort of non-automated desktop use fashion. Also they can’t access like 99.9% of the web.
x86-64 instruction set is proprietary. ARM is proprietary. The drivers within your smart phone modem are proprietary (unless you are someone who is using mainline PostMarketOS, which I have high doubts about)
In this day and age we’re mostly doing harm reduction. Android is harm reduction compared to iOS, just as GrapheneOS is harm reduction compared to AOSP. Maybe some day in the gay space communism future we can have pure fully Foss devices, but until then, we are stuck with harm reduction.
I honestly spent like a week, outlining what I would need to build a FOSS phone, on RISCV.
current revision could do it. it would be a bit slow, but it’s possible…
all was good till I hit two hardware bottlenecks.
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GPU: unlike ARM which several manufacturers have 2d/3d accelerators. RiscV really doesn’t have that. all current implementations are primitive… (I have a Spacemit K1 SOC, I have been prototyping with and it’s entirely Vulkan based and stuck in mid stages of MESA development. so *Gl in Vulkan wrappers are broken… GUIs perform like a m68k machine from 1988…)
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this is the big one, Modems. there is only two suppliers and both are vendor locked. they won’t provide hardware to ANYONE without a contract. — this is why 5g USB/PCI-E modems don’t exist. there is a monopoly no one is talking about…
until these two points are addressed a foss phone is not possible. not even close. ~ even if you damage control on software (aosp) and some how convince amd/Intel to sell you chips for GPU on a PCIe lane sharing ram…
your still stuck on the modem. some one needs to get the ball rolling on a monopoly suit against the big two.
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Stop Patrick your scaring him.
You know, over the last few years, I’ve gained a begrudging respect for Apple. They really care about UX, build quality, OS efficiency, and they’re even the best value proposition at several price tiers. I main Fedora and GrapheneOS at home, yes, but I enjoy macOS and iOS at work. macOS has some of those key professional applications that haven’t made it to Linux yet.
Apple is a pretty easy 2nd place in most areas, 1st for laptops specifically. Windows & ChromeOS can fight for 3rd but they’re miles below macOS and Linux.
what are you talking about.
Ux/UI has slipped over the last decade.
build quality generation after generation got worse.
os efficiency, my iPad is TERRIBLE…
They actively sabotage old devices to make their performance and battery life /worse/ so it makes new devices feel better…
then you say “best value”. that’s some major copium. what value is there in a $2000 device with $180 worth of components, a locked down ecosystem that tracks everything you do, scans all your data and sabotages your applications…
I remember first gen iPhones. I had one. I still have lots of classic apple hardware. you are literally sounding like a apple care technician.
They got pretty bad in the mid to late 10s, but build quality is a lot better now. No iPhone bend-gate level stuff in a while.
This did happen. Supposedly they stopped after they got fined. You can say liquid glass is a less blatant version of that hidden as a feature, but as far as I can tell they don’t directly do the “slow down” button for new hardware. And if we’re going to talk bloat, Microsoft is far worse. Linux is holding out for us.
You can get an M5 Air for under a thousand bucks with an education discount, which isn’t verified. I’d go for the 24 GB RAM 512 storagw version which would bring you to 1200. Might be able to snag an M4 for even cheaper if they’re trying to dump inventory. The Neo has a better chip than anything close to its price range of $500. You won’t be able to find better build quality OR specs for either of those 2 price ranges, let alone both. Believe me, I remember when they were overpriced 2k Intel machines. They’re not that anymore, they’re the gold standard, and looking even better with how Windows laptop manufacturers have gotten so greedy. You can barely find anything at all decent that’s x86 for under 1k. There’s a point where it doesn’t make sense to go Apple if you need a ton of RAM and local storage, but most people aren’t going to get a 128 GB RAM Macbook Pro.
macOS is demonstrably better for privacy than Windows. Better than Linux? Of course not. Sabotaging apps? Huh?
At the end of the day, I try to get whoever I can convince to go to Linux. I try to convince whoever I can to get a desktop instead of a laptop, especially for gaming. But if they NEED a laptop, or if they NEED apps that aren’t on Linux, especially creative apps like Adobe and CAD, I’m sure not going to recommend Windows, from any perspective, hardware or software. Microsoft is just awful these days, and has no redeeming qualities left, with Proton being as good as it is for games. So its going to be a Macbook. If they’re a student or general user with a budget that doesn’t need a lot of performance, get whatever refurbished business laptop you can get a good deal on with 16 GB RAM, 32 if you can swing it, for like 300 bucks, and put Linux on it.
Yet over here as someone who has used macOS professionally for over a decade, I feel like I’m watching the slow deterioration of the operating system as they ignore the wants and wishes of professional users and make the whole thing more and more like a mobile OS with every update.
And at the same time it feels like the number of bugs and broken features which Apple were historically careful to control are getting worse as they prioritise moving fast over being robust.
They are still outperforming Microsoft in every user-centric metric IMO (and by a long way) but the current trajectory absolutely feels like things are getting worse, not better.
100% this.
I used macos for over a decade, and kept getting Kore and more frustrated with the ui and ux decisions apple kept making. Now I use Linux on my computers and am so.much happier. Linux has its problems, but at least I can fix most of those problems. I’m not forced to use anything.
On my phone I use graphene os, and while I hate dome of the ui/ux of the base aosp, at least it’s not sucking up all my data.
yep, hardware became better. Software became worse
I am curious to know what features you’re referring to. I’m not saying they don’t exist, I’m relatively new to the Mac train after all and I tend to not be as plugged into the Apple community because uh…well you know. The only thing I’ve heard is some people not liking liquid glass for a potential performance hit, but I haven’t seen any tbh. They’re also dumping Rosetta soon but I think it’s been a reasonable enough amount of time.
For me it’s mostly small but annoying issues.
Wifi refusing to connect to some access points with no indication of why. Keyboard shortcut to change desktop spaces stops working when USB monitor is connnected. That sort of annoyance that never used to happen.
And then just the general direction of travel. More AI. Getting increasingly difficult to install unverified apps. User consent still seems to be there and things are usually opt in and not out (which is great) but the nudge towards cloud is just that bit stronger all the time, and every update I’m watching for shenanigans.
If you’re new to macOS and coming from Windows then everything probably seems pretty awesome in comparison - and it is - but I don’t have the same trust as I used to.
WiFi I can’t say I have a lot of experience with, just my home and work, and those work. One is 5 GHz, one is 2.4 GHz.
The keyboard shortcut to switch spaces works for me. So does the trackpad 3 finger gesture and magic mouse swipe. I’m on the latest update but it’s never not worked. USB-c monitor.
I also hate that direction, but that’s just tech right now unfortunately. Apple seems to be resisting most of it. Apple Intelligence is half assed at best, and not forced upon you. I forget it is there. Really just so they can say they did something Ai related for investors without actually wasting too much money.
Linux is better for telemetry obviously, and there should be zero, but again Apple is far ahead of everyone else, and mostly only strengthened their commitments, with some VERY noticeable exceptions like client side scanning in the UK. Even privacy enthusiasts like Michael Bazzel recommend it for privacy and security if you are too tech illiterate or need it for work stuff. After changing settings of course.
Storage options are abysmal but luckily there are encrypted cloud options, you don’t have to use Apple’s. I’m glad I am not limited to buying Apple’s storage, I need it for my data hoard at home. For work though it doesn’t impact me, cloud is better in fact.
“Unverified” apps is complete bullshit, you got me there. Everyone else seems to be pushing it too besides Microsoft and Linux. I will be PISSED if they take it away the same way they do on iOS, and I’m hoping the App Store monopoly lawsuits go somewhere.
They moved their desktops to ARM, now they have a single architecture to maintain. It just makes sense to dumb it down so they can ship one OS for everything they make. After all, people will blindly buy it anyway.
It’s all just MacOS anyway so they just stopped shipping the x86 build it’s not really a great loss.
They spy on people, they lie, they’re a littéral cult
Source: i worked there
Could you elaborate please? I’m interested to know.
I meant more if you have knowledge about something that wasn’t publicly known. This was 7 years ago and got btfo’d, hence the article about the firings you posted. Also everyone I know turns off Siri because it is useless.
That’s known. Siri data is kept for improving the models through human labeling. It’s not like it was hidden, just read the damn privacy policy.
That’s not the problem. With the false positive they were hearing people during everyday interactions. I remember my colleague bothered by the fact they were hearing people having sex, talking about drugs, all the while with personal information written on screen.
Do you want some guy in Apple headquarter hears some random snippet of your life because you pronounced the word “Shiny” and the model messed up?
I disabled that voice activation feature for this exact reason, but yea, what’s shitty is that people had not been clearly informed at all
and yet it will still listen, just not trigger. check wireguard…
what bothers me more is them constantly scanning files and storing summaries/metadata for “law enforcement”.
could they be more like google… they already got the pretending they were doing no evil phase and going back on it done down pat.
Tips Fedora
M’lady
No but for real, that was one of the main reasons it took me so long to test Fedora. I associated fedoras (and Linux in general) with sweaty basement dwellers for many years. Not to mention “red hat” has a different connotation than it did in the 90s. Yeesh. But I’m glad I got over it, Fedora works the best for my needs and Linux isn’t nearly as hard as it’s made out to be. Might try Cachy at some point though.
People still associate Linux to command line without a GUI and lack of compatibility with hardware. But, honestly, besides some issues with drivers on OpenSUSE 15 years ago, I have not had any issues with Linux ever.
For sure, it isn’t even only the corporate or specifically beginner focused distros that are like this these days either. Most distros have gotten with the program of having GUI choices for most things, easy ways to install proprietary drivers if they weren’t allowed tk bundle them already, and even their own ecosystem like an app store.
Some FOSS software does not work as a full replacement for missing professional software, but that’s about all that comes to mind as far as issues.
MacBooks are just better. Even before apple silicon they had a distinct fit and finish advantage, but now with the M series chips they are just on a completely different level.
Hardware specs have gone up, prices have come down, competition prices have gone up, competition software has gone way down. The only way I’d recommend a laptop besides a Macbook is if you can find some nice second hand or refurbished laptops, preferably lightly used business class and/or from an auction. And even then, I’d only recommend it if they’re wanting to commit tk Linux and need a laptop specifically, or need a Windows only application. Vendors are really out here selling Windows laptops with 8 GB RAM, horrendous build quality, at damn near 1k. My work provided Windows machine is an i7 (2024 I think, maybe 2023) 32 GB RAM and sits at 16 GB RAM with my basic set of Office applications and browser tabs open. My work provided Mac has an M2 and 8 GB RAM, sits at a little under 7 GB RAM, and feels less laggy with the same programs and tabs open.
Desktops are a different story, though in specific use cases, Mac Studio/Mini/iMac are decent options too.
easy to find the bots in this thread.
ever heard of Linux and Framework? arm is great for phones, doesn’t belong In a laptop…
M1(and successors) are amazing processors. but, being stuck into a ecosystem for one is not worth it. I for one cannot wait for full size RISCV CPU cores… honestly, the market desperately needs a shakeup from all of this “I didn’t have a choice, so I chose the most expensive thing that met my minimum specs” copium.
Lol definitely not a bot. I’ve always been more of an Apple hater due to the ecosystem and business practices, but they’ve turned it around a lot in the 2020s. They’re still a trillion dollar company and not to be trusted, but yeah, they make great laptops.
I main Linux on my desktop and old laptops, like I mentioned. You can say ARM doesn’t belongin laptops but Apple has proven that’s not true. They outperform just about any chip, with battery life efficiency that is not even approachable by any other laptop chips. That’s just the facts. You can spend 5k for a laptop chip that is as good as an M5 for under 1k, or you can get a Snapdragon chip that is almost as good as an M5 for efficiency. But not both. That’s where we’re at. Intel especially is asleep at the wheel. At least AMD is making good desktop CPUs still.
I’m also excited for RISC V, I’m considering getting one on an SBC to make a CyberDeck out of. It’s not come as far as ARM yet but it’s promising and we need an open standard.
Have to agree. I used to write their laptops off as a joke before 2020 due to them having the worst feeling keyboard and having overheating issues, however they addressed every issue I had with their laptops when they debuted the M1 models. This seriously made me change my opinion of Apple overall and even the new MacBook Neo is impressive for the price too.
They really care about UX, Ui, build quality, OS efficiency, battery life
/me side-eyes macOS Tahoe
Have you ran into issues with Tahoe?
It looks like shit and is demonstrably slower than Sequoia because of all the liquid ass.
They really care about UX, Ui
Do people really like just having rows and rows of random icons on your home screen?
Huh? You don’t have to have icons on your home screen.
You do (did?) on iOS for the longest time.
Lol, did you miss the ios 26 update?
really care about … build quality
Glad for you that has changed lately. Apple’s is the only (and most expensive) hardware I’ve ever had severe problems with … twice. (In between, that clone they killed worked great for 7 years.) Not buying it.
Apple users are the OG Windows haters.
More like the OG “shiny is better” users
All those shiny Apple 2’a, Macintoshs, Quadra’s, LC’s etc. super shiny beige plastic
Windows was less shitty in the 90s too
I wouldn’t know
no?
Yes
In the 90’s there entire mailing list and Apple paid advocates. Many in my generation used Apple computers in school and carried them forward, when I got to college there were Apple specific computer labs.
I’ve been using Apple computers since 1980, Linux really didn’t become mainstream and usable until the late 90’s
Linux didn’t exist until 1991. Though there may have been some people in the 80s who were used to Unixes running on workstations that thought that MS DOS and the Windows software was stupid. But who knows.
Yggdrasil was introduced in ‘92, Debian and Slackware ‘93 so it worked well enough in the early 90’s to be usable.
I didn’t really install Linux until ‘04ish so I have zero real world experience with early Linux, but it’s interesting to follow the Slackware forum on LQ to hear what the truly old school folks have to say.
BSD was the OG windows haters. Apple was the OG ,“Let’s license hardware/software and call it our own”.
remember where Darwin comes from.
Apple has had operating systems long before OSX in 2001.
Apple is just a few years younger than Unix
Had to check, Unix was released 3 years before apple was founded. I’d have given a 5-10 years lead to Unix but no, about the same age.
Yea ‘68 for Unix, ‘75 for MS, ‘76 for Apple.
But really it’s ~’80 for both really getting started
iOS is just a more UNIX, better designed, Windows. Closed OS of American big tech. If you are choosing between those two masters, go for it. But if you don’t want to be a serf to US big tech, or want to get the most out of old hardware, come find FOSS. It’s a far healthlier relationship.
iOS is the iphone OS, which is extremely locked down
macOS (Apple’s desktop OS) is something completely different (although probably with similar internals)
It is composed of code derived from NeXTSTEP, FreeBSD[3] and other BSD operating systems
Which is why I sometimes call macOS “NonfreeBSD”
And Windows is “NonfreeBS”
PlayStations and god knows what is some closed BSD. Apple are not alone in eating the BSD free lunch and giving very little back for it. Kind of the point of the license. It’s why Linux took over in most places, you can’t just take because of the GPL.
On which handheld device do I run this majestic FreeBSD?
Oh you just know people has put NetBSD on a phone. Doubt it’s been done with a GUI though.
fun fact, the first smart phone, before the iPhone was built on a netbsd derived base. it had a dialer and contacts app.
but it was ofcourse just a prototype… there was a smart watch too, but it had a battery life in minutes, not hours/days lol
historically all early adoption attempts at mobile smart devices suffered from battery restrictions which killed them. they were both too early and too late. by the time battery tech was nearly ready, companies like Apple took advantage of market position to prevent competition, by getting suppliers of LCD and Battery technology excluvely locked to them…
I hate IOS as well.
Yeah, Cisco IOS can be pretty confusing.
IOS is great. So is iOS.
Yup. Have no issues with my iPhone. Tried Android once and it ain’t for me.
the joke is for you then. apple makes closed systems. at leats windows is an open system. jusr not open source
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What’s the joke? Having a fully functioning phone. Ugh the horror.
I worked for applecare. I was instructed to lie and threat the customer badly. They spy on people.
You’re a simp
I worked for Apple for three years on the Genius Bar in the UK and was never told to lie. In fact when on sales we would be told to downgrade customers if they wanted a MacBook Pro for instance and their usage could be the same with a cheaper Mac.
Not a simp and I find your reductive take quite insulting. I’ll happily call out Apple for its use of cheap labour or its prices etc. just the phone works as I want. It ain’t that deep mate.
You can see my post history where I have discussed my time at Apple several times.
Also, it should be noted that working for Apple literally changed my life. From going nowhere at 38 to getting diagnosed with ADHD with the help of Apple then them affording me all the time I needed to upskill as a software engineer and then leave Apple. Working for Apple in the UK is the best I was ever treated by an employer and I’ve had 80+ jobs.
Nothing is binary.
Good for you if you had a good time there though, no offense. Enjoy your day
Yea we were told that “downgrading an OS wasn’t possible” (it’s totally possible) during the battery-draining update debacle. They bricked tons of phone, then we had a townhall where they self-congratulated on the fact they were making more money on repair than selling new phone.
My time there was more akin to a cult than to a job. Those people fucked each other, lived with each other, hang out with each other and think they’re superior being. Also they’re literally spying on people.
Both macOS and Windows are the same thing: Proprietary garbage
I think macOS is more like quality garbage. There’s actual development happening there. It’s still garbage, but you know. It’s garbage that stray cats would eat
I wouldn’t feed it to strays. it’s like poisoned sausages that animal control uses. it looks and smells good, so the desperate fools think they can fill their starving bellies… only to get locked into a death spiral.
apple, google and Microsoft are all perfect examples of what happens when you mix a lack of ethics with people desperate for anything that isn’t junk.
Only one of them is UNIX.
Windows gives me more control over my machine, but iOS actually works, and gives me the UNIX-like command line. Still sticking with Linux though because it gives me even more control.
I think you mean to say macOS. iOS is the mobile OS and doesn’t have CLI (by default).
Whoops yeah indeed.
Idk if that argument still applies thanks to windows 11. They’re making control over your machine more and more restricted and more AI controlled. Really hate the way windows is going.
Not just UNIX-like, but actual UNIX.
IIRC there were some UNIX-certified Linux distros out there too, not sure if they’re still around.
People are so hateful towards Windows these days. I hated Windows when it was “good”, but don’t anymore because I don’t use it or actively check on what changes Microsoft make, it’s kinda surprising that the hate became so mainstream and I only learn from media on why that is the case.
For me the last golden era of Windows was around 2019 when they were making a lot of changes that helped out devs like WSL 1 and 2 and the new terminal. I guess I should’ve air quotesed golden era because even Windows 10 had ads built in. Prior to that it was 7 but that might just be rose tinted goggles.
Naaah, Win 7 was best. They didn’t fuck with control panel, Aero slapped, system was fast, stable and customizable. Win 7 was a system made for the user and felt like future.
8 was, from what I heard, not that bad and 10 entered freefall. 11 got jetpack, but was badly oriented so it boosted itself down.
So no tinted glasses. 7 was actually great.
windows XP and 7 were there last attempts at selling a OS to run apps.
windows 8/10 was there first attempt to building a ecosystem, designed around the principles of EEE & subscribe…
whole reason for ai In 11 and coming 12, is to build a dependence and make you subscribe for a copilot subscription so your PC isn’t slow when your trying to get it to load apps at a prompt as they removed the launcher again…
I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages. Plus if I leave my wife will crucify me. also bought this expensive ass phone and that’s it for now.
i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.
That’s precisely why I’ve been avoiding Apple for decades.
Well yeah that’s Apple’s whole shtick, making anything only compatible with their own ecosystem with as much lock-in as possible. It’s a genuinely drug dealer-like approach, they’ve even got “the first one’s free” with cheap Ipads and Neo.
What, Apple forbid developers to have their apps on multiple platforms?
By the time they’re done with the app publication process they’re bankrupted
and forced to charge app fees and subscriptions to update the app, every time apple decides to add some unnecessary control or UI change. all for apple can collect a portion on all those tasty fees.
I feel kinda trapped into iOS. i have a whole ecosystem I’ve been invested in for ages.
WE FUCKING WARNED YOU
We FuCkInG wArNeD yOu
Bud I’ve been doin my best I don’t need this.
Yeah, you’re good. Some people are just bad at expressing themselves.
We all understand the systems that they use to tie you into their walled garden.
Escaping takes time and money now (and it isn’t like PC hardware is cheap currently…). You can still get a cheap tower from whatever marketplace/craiglist service is popular where you live and setup a Linux server and do things that are compatible with your existing devices like pi-hole, Jellyfin, etc.
I know a lot of programmers and sysadmins that use Apple laptops to interface with their Linux backend.
No you don’t!
Stop shaming people for changing their mind or coming around to what you’ve been saying with this bullshit. BE more WELCOMING!
"I know everyone warned me walking in lava was a bad idea. but my wife, who is addicted to tiktok and lives beyond her means constantly, Insisted it’s amazing. the best new trend. now I’m locked in…
litterally, I’m locked in, the hospital won’t let me leave as I have no legs. I’m stuck… I don’t know what to do. ~ Sent from a iPhone"
yes, please shame. shame is effective tool. it’s the same tool that got people into using apple ecosystems in the first place.
build up enough frustration, they will download their data to file, sell their devices and jump ship. while telling their wife to “please think beyond a check mark, or will I have to bail you out of jail when your smashing TVs in the shops because of a tiktok trend telling you to”.
it’s hard to switch and go against the flow. the longer you wait, the harder it gets. till one day, you cannot leave at all.
Fuck off you clown. You ain’t warn nobody.
Shit this place is cringe af half the time and exhausting the rest of the time as it’s the same 10 fucking topics all the time in this echo chamber.
Fuck off you clown. You ain’t warn nobody.
I have been hating on macs since the ipod took off, for the same reasons people are mad at enshittification and lack of control over your own hardware.
No one listened, and here we are.
This is the first I’ve heard you say anything on the topic, hmm curious
You must not have dug very deep into my post history
Edit : iBought rEceipts
You may not believe this, but I don’t spend my time reading the post history of strangers.
I take ONE DAY away from this gods-forsaken website…
The difference with Linux is that instead of investing money into your ecosystem, you invest your time. What is worth more to you?
with Linux, you invest your time once. with apple, android and M$ you invest your time, and your money after every patch and change.
every new subscription fee, every added bug that’s actually a “feature”, every forced “upsell” for a “feature” they once offered but removed to put it behind a paywall, shove AI into it and host it from a “cloud” server 2000km away.
I think people interpreted my comment differently than I expected. Most people are Linux users because they like tinkering with their computer. That takes time. Getting all your devices/accessories/accounts working on Linux that used to work on other OSes takes time because they probably don’t have 1st party support. Otherwise you can use Android or Apple or whatever and just take what you get with less tinkering.
I’ve been using the same pro Windows license that I got for free in college and have never paid Microsoft a dime. I don’t know of any forced subscription fees. Paying for more cloud storage, etc. is a shitty practice but certainly not unique to MS.
If someone tells you they’re an iOS user, there’s a 99% chance they use Apple products and a 1% chance they’re a network admin.
yeah, i use IOS
Fuck that ai artist watermark
FTFY
