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saladpresser [none/use name]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

Raddle goes to war with itself over the site's usage of racist terminology

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Raddle goes to war with itself over the site's usage of racist terminology

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saladpresser [none/use name]@hexbear.net to the_dunk_tank@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago
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[POLICY] Can the word for having an account approved to do things not be crackerlisted anymore?
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  • CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml
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    Broke: whitelist

    Woke: allowlist

    Bespoke: crackerlist

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      cracker

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      the real bespoke is to make crackerlist the banlist/denylist

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      Please don’t do the same for blacklist

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    Crackerlist is unironically a masterstroke, I want this to be a thing now

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      Added to Crackerlist
      Reason: posted too passionately about casserole

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      masterstroke

      Two steps forward, one step back

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    deleted by creator

  • AcidSmiley [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    paper impersonating bleach demons getting mad about the most harmless “slur” in the history of humankind again

    • LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]@hexbear.net
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      Honestly I find whitelists to be an… odd way of phrasing it. There’s a reason most programmers have moved to block and allow lists. Don’t really care about crackerlist, but I find it odd that they’d still use the naming conventions of white and black lists. Changing white to cracker doesn’t make whitelists any less weird.

      No idea how they give two shits about the word cracker when there is obviously a bigger issue.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]@hexbear.netBannedBanned from community
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      9/10 crackers do not ruminate in fear and dehumanization when they’re called that because there is no policy - historical or present - to oppress them as a group of people. Rarely do people say it with complete malice and desire for violence - it’s often said lightheartedly because everyone knows that the dynamics are just completely imbalanced. At worst they’ll be annoyed for 30 seconds and forget about it.

      Hell, I’d argue honkey and redneck are more “offensive” because it’s a slur for poor white people, and this subgroup has and is still being targeted by the state today. But crackers don’t want to talk about class, even when it’s them who’s suffering.

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      Removed by mod

      • CyborgMarx [any, any]@hexbear.net
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        Literally nobody but racist crackers care about “slurs” for white people, it doesn’t hurt and may in fact help in the most minuscule of ways because it’s funny watching white identitarians malding about make-believe oppression

        I won’t use it and I’m not white.

        Looking for a pat on the head or somethin?

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          Removed by mod

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            Removed by mod

      • GunslingerSky [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        If being called cracker makes someone disinterested in socialist policy then they weren’t open to changing their views in the first place

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netBannedBanned from community
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          This is a bad take. If you try to join a group and they insult you, it’s normal to walk away even if you like some things that group is doing. People leave jobs that pay them money they need over insults.

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        Fam I learned recently that rednecks eat at a place called Cracker Barrel. Only the most baby of petit bourgeois would be angry about it, and their class interests do not align with socialism

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        Nah it’s pretty funny, everyone should say it.

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        anti-cracker-aktion

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        deleted by creator

  • MiraculousMM [he/him, undecided]@hexbear.netM
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    We’d have to stop using any terms that include colors: redfaced (ashamed), red with rage, blackballed, black humour, black magic, black eye, black sheep, yellow journalist, red line, yellow card, red card, brown-noser, brown thumb, black-and-white thinking, black out, black as night, etc.

    TAGLINE michael-laugh

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      ☠️

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      What a dense take.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]@hexbear.netBannedBanned from community
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        Indistinguishable from some boomer in the comments on Fox News

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          I really can’t stand contrarian/devils advocate takes. Especially this one that comes across purposely obtuse…

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      Can you imagine having to examine things you’ve previously taken for granted? THE HORROR!

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    That’s amazing we should start crackerlisting so we can crackerlist people becaus someone would get SO MAD and then we could point at them and laugh

  • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netBanned
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    Folks, are colors by definition racist?

    spoiler

    Yes, especially purple

    • Abraxiel [any]@hexbear.net
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      And yet you have a purple avatar.

      • PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netBanned
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        hitler-detector

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    “allow list” and “block list” are so easy to understand

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      Hilariously it looks like ziq (who runs raddle), and emma (who develops it) are the main ones in that thread arguing for keeping terms like blacklist and master branch.

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        I don’t see why anyone would bother dying on this hill. It’s just so easy to swap words. “Oh some people find this a problem? Fair enough, we will use this instead.” simple and done.

        There are many things that we all go back and forth on here but this one is just so fucking easy.

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          Ziq’s main objection seems to be that banning microaggressions is a slippery slope that results in wrecking campaigns which nearly destroy the site. Sounds less like a policy problem and more like a moderation problem.

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            I mean, yes wrecker shit is a problem. But you have to balance doing something objectively right (not using blacklist/whitelist) against the bad wrecker campaigns. Community needs to be inoculated properly to deal with them and if it’s not that’s simply poor community management to begin with.

            If I wanted to be a wrecker I’d have an easier time doing it against a site admin team that refuses to do obviously good shit compared to being forced to find more and more esoteric things to complain about.

            This is ridiculous, github liberals are literally more progressive than the so-called leftist.

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            Even corporate tech places are phasing out the black/white master/slave language so its not like this is some obscure wrecker ask. When they’re less socially progressive about this than say, Facebook, then it might be time to reconsider

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              Yeah, I don’t think it’s a ridiculous ask at all. I don’t think that it should be that hard of a thing to pull off and handle and I agree with what Awoo said below

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    racist terminology

    anti-cracker-aktion

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    Raddle goes to war with itself

    Isn’t this, by definition, all arguments ziq has with themselves on Raddle?

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    Okay, change it to honkeylist.

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    HI Ziq! Hope you’re doing well. I know you’re lurking.

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      Don’t forget to say hello to all their alts as well

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    The struggle of those of us who are eternally online

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    🤦‍♂️ sleepi

  • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Wtf is a Raddle

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      the lemmy so good that it’s not actually a lemmy

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      reddit

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