As most of you know, I am from Palestine, and something I’ve been noticing recently is the coverage that a lot of brainless goofs are getting.
On the internet especially, but people shouldn’t pretend the internet is not part of our lives.
The main three people I am referring to here are Tucker Carlson, Prof Jiang, and John Kiriakou.
The least brainless here is the guy that worked for the CIA.
Who do you think is behind the coverage and visibility they are getting?
My parents have heard about those three and have seen videos.
Basically
John Kiriakou has an interview of him bragging about molesting a paraplegic mechanic.
The CIA has a meme department so that’s that.
what the fuck?
I can’t find it right now, it was “Oussama Bin Laden’s mechanic” but he was talking about taking off his prosthetic and teasing him about a big guy coming to molest him. he was laughing about it.
John Kiriakou has an interview of him bragging about molesting a paraplegic mechanic.
source?
I’ve been trying to find the exact video but I only saw it while doom scrolling so I couldn’t find it
There’s also the famous one where he jokes after saying he’s never killed anyone “with one half exception”
The half exception was when Colin Powell asked him where some Iraqi diplomat worked and he told him without thinking much about it. Next day he saw on the news they had blown up the whole building. But they did it in the middle of the night so they only liked the janitor
TL;DR the dude has killed lots of people but doesn’t consider them to be humans
47 ballistic missiles on a single janitor
Jiang is such a crank and its so embarrassing that leftists watch it.
I thought people were watching Jiang the same way I would watch Alex Jones, I really just want to laugh at a crank.
Problem is that Jiang is like 80% of the way there with basic observations and then immediately flips the conclusion into something ridiculous. And for people that can make basic observations but can’t quite form the conclusion themselves they just ride along with him cause he has a whiteboard and speaks confidently.
he’s espousing views that don’t flatter to the united states; so it automatically garners support.
Exactly. Theres a user in a discord server I’m in that just constantly Stans jiang and its so embarrassing. His predictions are so elementary. War with Iran is not a prediction-amerika has been attacking them since 1953.
Do we?
Sorry
I heard on Chapo yesterday that because Tucker is apparently the most prominent voice out there against the war, I have to be supportive of him
guess I’ll just die thenewww
Got someone basically saying the same shit in this thread. We do not by any means ever have to give credit or even a single thread of critical support to a Nazi like Tucker. Almost like these pseudoleft fart sniffers forgot all about his genocidal Islamophobia after 9/11. But who am I kidding they probably weren’t even born yet.
I read it as more of a condemnation of western “leftists” than handing anything to Tucker.
I regret to inform you that this comment has aged poorly
There is by no means anything principled about anything Tucker does and his only principles are sympathetic to fascism.
Yikes I guess I was being overly charitable
what western leftists though?
Not gonna lie, Tucker is outflanking most people on the left in regards to Palestine.
Call it what you want, opportunism or whatever, but he has been vocal on the genocide in Gaza and has been against the Iran war even before the US first bombed them.
When he says shit about “israel” he doesn’t do the western liberal / leftist (they’re the same thing) wishy-washy, both-sides, “this is bad for ‘israel’ and I’m gonna mention the deaths of Palestinians in passing”.
Sooooo many “pro-Palestine” “progressive” fucks, whose voices are amplified, are just liberal zionists. Like that one failed politician, Kat Abughazleh, promoting the “board for peace”, saying the US should hand-pick who leads Gaza, or being disgustingly bloodthirsty about Iran.
Which one is worse? The one who’s against imperialism because they don’t understand how it benefits america, or the performative matcha drinking imperialist who hides it behind being a young hipster with vibes?
Not gonna lie, Tucker is outflanking most people on the left in regards to Palestine.
That’s not true at all. If you actually watch Tucker Carlson’s videos he’s just as wishy washy about imperialism as those libs. In the infamous video of Ted Cruz, minutes after questioning Ted Cruz’ ignorance on Iran, he concedes points about why the IRGC is so bad and completely endorses anticommunism (obv, but it’s important note).
It’s one thing to say he’s outflanking liberals and one of the most prominent people to do so but to say he’s outflanking people on the left is ridiculous.
Yeah but the same “progressives” like Mehdi Hassan are also shit on the same issues you are upset about. Peddling lies on the 40,000 protestors “massacred” in Iran, leading up to the start of america’s illegal bombing campaign.
Look at Zeteo, Mehdi Hassan’s own news channel, and see the slop they’re posting. How exactly is he better in any way than tucker is?
Nobody here is going to stand up for lib ass Mehdi Hassan, ‘progessive’ doesn’t mean anything
Yeah that was kinda my point, tucker’s a ghoul, but so are these progressives who claim they’re not
You honestly think someone who wants 50 million Americans disappeared for being illegal is actually anti-imperialist?
Nobody is talking about Medhi Hassan here though. I never see him posted anywhere on here. We are talking about you and too many others giving critical support to a literal Nazi.
Who said critical support! I swear yall would condemn Mao for his “United Front” positions if it happened in 2026
Mao’s united front was, notably, not an alliance with Japan.
Mehdi Hassan is overtly a lib and not a leftist
This shit actually makes me so mad because you have seen how many progressives shit on Iran and were calling for regime change at every chance they could get, don’t try to pretend it didn’t happen now.
You are conflating liberals with “the left”. Just stop praising this dipshit for his cryptofascist shit. He is literally just triangulating like historic Nazis by coopting actual left positions for nefarious reasons. You do not have to hand it to him you’re just carrying water.
He only criticizes Israel to deflect from US responsibility in this conflict.
You are conflating liberals with “the left”.
No, these zionist “progressives” are what is largely perceived as “the left” in greater public discourse. It doesn’t matter what we think in our little corner here – the liberals and zionists call themselves “the left”, and are perceived as “the left” by the overwhelming majority.
You literally started attacking me because I said a ghoul was better on one position than a majority of “progressives” in the west. Instead of arguing against anything I said, you acted hostile from the jump, making false accusations of “critical support”.
Nobody is attacking you. People take issue with you attempting to win the “Fell for It Again” award by getting sucked in by fascists who cynically parrot what look like left-wing positions.
If someone posted a video of mehdi hassan on here, I know you and most of the people in this community wouldn’t say anything about how he’s a piece of shit. What’s with the selective policing? They’re both pieces of shit, last time he was posted here I was the only person to call out how he’s a rabid imperialist promoting lies against Iran.
If someone posted a video of mehdi hassan on here, I know you and most of the people in this community wouldn’t say anything about how he’s a piece of shit.
Then you don’t know this community very well
If someone posted a video of mehdi hassan on here
Hypothetical
Okay but Tucker is an outright Nazi and you should not be “supportive” of anyone like him triangulating “to the left” of liberals whatever the fuck that means.
The enemy of our enemy is not by default our friend and I fucking hate that I keep seeing takes like yours pop up here.
Is he though
Tucker Carlson is an obviously horrible person (dude was big Iraq war advocate)
But I am not aware of him saying Nazi shit
He’s definitely said a lot of racist shit about black people and immigrants
Idk about Jews
Nazism is not exclusive to hating jews. It was after all first and foremost about cooptng socialist energy and redirecting it away from the German bourgeoisie toward scapegoats that including Jews but also communists, anarchists, LGBT people, slavs, Roma etc etc.
Also Tucker does dabble in ZOG shit about Israel controlling the US and the person I was arguing with also brought up Marjorie Taylor Greene who openly ranted about “Jewish space lasers” during the California wildfires which is especially fucked.
“Jewish space lasers”
wtf does that even mean?
Marjorie Taylor Greene claimed that Israelis were responsible for the massive wildfires that destroyed a bunch of my friends and family’s homes were not because of corporations depleting the water table and climate change caused by carbon emissions but actually a Jewish plot to destroy America by starting wildfires with space lasers.
climate change
climate change denial is so dumb
You’re the one who turned it into an argument off the jump attacking me.
I don’t give a fuck if tucker’s a piece of shit, he’s doing more for anti-imperialism than you are attacking people on an online forum. Touch grass.
I don’t give a fuck if tucker’s a piece of shit, he’s doing more for anti-imperialism than you are attacking people on an online forum
Yeah we get you really want us to like this piece of shit. I wonder if he wasn’t such an bigoted flag bearer of capitalism, would you be browbeating us about not liking him?
I never said I liked him. I find it pathetic he has a more principled stance against imperialism than every “progressive” voice that’s been platformed in the west. That’s it.
Dear lord, this poster attacked you? Like they came through your computer screen and hit you with a big clown mallet? You must be terribly injured, Thoughts and prayers to you comrade.
Jokes aside, Tucker Carlson is not anti imperialist. He’s not “doing anything for” anti-imperialism. Was Trump anti imperialist when he said “no more wars!” on the campaign trail? No, because he was cynically cultivating an audience and trying to garner mass appeal. And then, wouldn’t you know it, we just so happened to oopsie our way into attacking Iran. Stop being dramatic and acting like you’re grievously injured when someone rightfully calls you out for holding water for fascists.
You could say the same for a lot of the “progressives” you follow then. Nobody said I was supportive of him, what I am saying is him and marjorie taylor green aren’t afraid to be labeled as antisemitic for their anti-imperialist views, and it’s something “progressives” fucking suck at.
You don’t know me and you definitely don’t know who I follow it just disgusts me to see this sort of “critical support” for this piece of shit that should be one of the first against the wall. This is textbook tailism. Fuck Tucker Carlson and anyone that speaks even cryptically positively of him.
“Professor” Jiang (he’s not an actual professor) has fed connections if not a fed himself. There’s a Twitter thread about Jiang’s background: https://nitter.net/zhen_ming_/status/2035083436860612639
He immigrated to Canada when he was 6 and he only learned how to speak Mandarin at college. He spoke Taishanese at home, meaning he most likely didn’t know how to read Chinese characters until college either. Basically, he’s a lot more removed from mainstream Chinese society than what he lets on. I don’t think he even lives in China. People are just listening to an anticommunist Chinese Canadian with a vague foreign accent and thinks that he must represent Chinese Mainlanders somehow.
Oh and he also thinks that “Israel’s success is due to it becoming a world laboratory, creating goods and technologies exported to the rest of the world.”
“World laboratory” lol yeah for fucking weapons tested on unarmed civilians
Oh and he also thinks that “Israel’s success is due to it becoming a world laboratory, creating goods and technologies exported to the rest of the world.”
I wonder what he thinks about China’s technological development and technology sharing then? I bet he’s thrilled about it.
“Israel’s success is due to it becoming a world laboratory, creating goods and technologies exported to the rest of the world.”
lol what
Dude has some interesting explanations of secret society theories… But then he connects it all back to antisemitic lunacy.
He spoke Taishanese at home, meaning he most likely didn’t know how to read Chinese characters until college either.
Are you sure? Even if he spoke monolingual Hoisanese, wouldn’t most of the text been in Chinese regardless? Most sinitic languages use the same basic script plus or minus some words for vocabulary differences because it’s a logographic script.
Most sinitic languages use the same basic script plus or minus some words for vocabulary differences because it’s a logographic script.
That’s what I originally thought, but technically every single major Chinese topalect has their own unique set of characters. I’m not sure if Taishanese has its own script, but I know Cantonese does, which isn’t the same as the vast majority of Taishanese people would remind you. And in any case, written Cantonese is pretty different from written Mandarin even with simple sentences but it’s not just the difference in characters but the fact that the characters that they do share with each other have diverged in meaning since Middle Chinese. 食 is a root that means “food” or used in words like “edible” (食用) in Mandarin, but just means “eat” in Cantonese. There are also grammatical differences that affect order of words. And this is all considering that he spoke Taishanese not Cantonese.
At best, he would’ve learned the Mandarin character set but written them out with Taishanese/Cantonese character order and substituted those Mandarin characters with a more appropriate Taishanese/Cantonese character when saying them out loud, meaning that he essentially would have spoken Taishanese but written with some bizarre Mandarin/Cantonese hybrid. So, writing “吃” like standard Mandarin but saying “食” since he doesn’t know Mandarin.
I also should have elaborated that I’m extremely skeptical that a 6 year old member of the Taishanese diaspora living in the US during the 80s would’ve been exposed to the Taishanese/Cantonese character set. It’s mostly based on my experience with Cantonese people. I largely associate people typing with Cantonese characters with young people. Most older people just write in that Mandarin/Cantonese hybrid. Maybe that’s a misconception on my part.
I appreciate the correction
this is my first time hearing about 2/3 of these so idk how effective this particular push is
My aunt over thanksgiving tried to get me to watch dan blizerian, tried to tell her he’s not the guy she should be listening to but she didn’t wanna hear any of it
You haven’t but my parents have and they’re not that particularly online
Okay, I need to check if I’m the only one who was this aware of Kiriakou and his ties.
My first introduction to him was through Sputnik News podcasts when he was the co-host with Brian Becker. The show was pretty good and I do appreciate the fact that Kiriakou testified against CIA torture programs and Jina Haspel’s involvement, but CIA members are to never be trusted.
Anyway, good analysis on the show, Richard Wolff was a frequent guest. But Sputnik News had some Russian ties and funding iirc. They split off and Kiriakou left, now Brian Becker is the host of the independent The Socialist Program podcast.
Now a few things about Becker: he’s the national coordinator of ANSWER coalition and has a long personal history of good political agitation. And he’s one of the founding members of PSL.
But the thing that’s always made me a little uneasy is the proximity to Kiriakou and being very high up in the PSL. Same goes for Wolff’s close association with the show as well as Michael Prysner. They haven’t publicly worked with Kiriakou in years so far as I can recall, and I assume at some point if you’re a prominent left figure then you’re probably going to rub elbows with CIA whether you seek it out or not. But this connection has always made me feel a little warry of PSL, though I know they’re probably the best party out there.
Just want to see what y’all’s takes on this are.
That is interesting.
But Sputnik News had some Russian ties and funding iirc
Is Sputnik News not explicitly Russian state media?
It’s Russian state media in the same way that NPR is American state media. They get money but have editorial independence.
How truly independent you think that is is up to you. I’d argue that The New York Times is more “state media” than NPR or Sputnik.
It is state owned according to Natopedia
… Hello, it is I, Captain Obvious!!
Fun fact: a friend of mine was employed by the Kiriakous as an au pair.
Another fun fact is he was Jared Leto’s high school(?) teacher
The Kiriakou vids make the CIA look terrible though?
They do
is Kiriakou a psyop since the videos of him may convince people that the CIA has time dilation technology? During many interviews he demonstrates the ability to speed up and slow down at will
He’s actually pretty liberal socially
I just feel like there’s an algorithmic manipulation going on
Kiria means penis in Persian
I think it is because they don’t have the people in charge they used to, they aren’t nearly as competent as their forebears and they’re panicking, so they’re just throwing whatever they can out there in the hopes that some of it sticks and relying on the lack of media literacy built up by generations of a neoliberal education system to be successful. They don’t have a plan to combat growing class consciousness beyond just throwing more money at talking heads and hoping it works.
I don’t think Tucker is being pushed by American media though
Yes and no. He lost his traditional gig but he still has CIA ties and if anything seems like he is being groomed as the next fascist “outsider” to helm the MAGA movement because Trump ain’t gonna live much longer and they can’t just have this rabid mob of neoconfederates be untethered.
Putin called him out on his CIA ties in their interview
I don’t think Tucker intends to run for any kind of office. He doesn’t really believe in anything and already makes mad bank as a grifter.
But he can still corral people towards the next bit of meat paste the Republicans squeeze into a suit and convince people to vote for them. He’s still very useful even if he never runs for office himself.
people trying to make sense of empire behavior without saying word empire, thus psyops
I am more interested in who’s doing the promoting ?
tucker is self-sustaining entity-skeptic wing (probably capital as well, for future fash presidency, can’t parse if he is paleocon wing or fake-out), kiriakou is a world historic dipshit (see 17n), jiang seems like just dead ender for tucker-curious to falun gong pipeline, so same eh, haven’t seen anything aside from some tweets. all perfectly compatible with different wings of capital (for example, i don’t think non-military digital capital is thrilled about instability in gulf, just as it might not be thrilled with chinese decoupling)
like say i’m tim cook/apple investor, why on earth would i enjoy seeing this shit? same goes for like copper and manufacturing, defense industry inputs are tiny compared to construction. like you can just go industry by industry, and get ideas
see 17n
what does that mean?
I mean his job in greece, he never says what he did there was wrong, so all his skepticism is rather i built different, than the goal is wrong
“Psyop” is a more meaningful term than “empire behavior”.
the psychological operation of “eternally bumbling empire” now with “run by pedophiles” dlc and “youtube” expansion pack.
i don’t think it’s qualitatively that different from discourse around 2005, the medium and dispersion of personalities (individuals rather than networks, no editorial voice as such) changes, but eh
Nothing ever changes
Another one I keep seeing is Scott Ritter
Scott ritter is actually a reformed chud and not an out and out nazi who just so happens support antiimperialism to save the hegemon some money
Is he? He still talks like he is very pro troop America First
Yeah, I shouldn’t have said that. But he’s a lot more tolerable than any other chud or neolib
He’s not that reformed
Yeah, you’re right, not at all. But he’s about as good as it gets for a lib
Scott Ritter
searched him and first thing I see is sex offenses
“Professor” (Micheal) Jiang Xueqin. The secret third Micheal the Canadian yakubians were cooking up in their lab.
