Trump is a musical theater fan who dodged the draft, gossips about teen actors love lives, has never worked a day in his life, isn’t in shape and has no signifiers of masculinity. He gets to be the pinnacle of masculinity purely because he represents cruelty.
Likewise no matter how grizzled whoever the Dems put up is they will always be effeminate in comparison, no matter how many of their supposed criteria for masculinity they fulfill.
Beyond the dems, none of their political opponents can ever be real men. No socialist is anything but a (gay) effeminate loser, nothing but their unwillingness to be performative cruel will ever be considered.
idk why draft dodging is an insult… everybody is antiwar until it comes to people actually not going to war
It matters that they define the military as the epitome of masculinity and refusal to engage with it as unmanly until Trump doesn’t want to do it.
they just obliterate the class analysis. dodging the draft via the means used by trump or george w bush is bad because the bourgeoise are bad. dodging it by proletarian means is cool.
The class analysis doesn’t need to be brought in to highlight the hypocrisy.
It’s not shameful to like musical theatre either.
It’s only a insult against those of the ruling class who can get out of it. The people who cause the wars are not the ones going to war.
I’m a huge dude. 200 cm, decently muscular. I wear a mask due to my disability. I walk past chuds all the time where I live, and I can see it in their eyes. How badly they want to yell at me for it. To say some snide comment (they wouldn’t get physical, its the Midwest). They want so badly to be cruel, but they can’t, because the fact is I look like I could pack them up without breaking a sweat. Every once in a while, a drunk guy will the the gumption to talk to me, but they just ask politely why I’m wearing it. It provides me with a sick satisfaction to see them be subjected to the powerlessness they want desperately to cause me.
Hmm ok so we need to be all tall and shredded and chuds won’t know what to do
I wouldn’t say everyone needs to, but as leftists we should be forming parties and aid groups anyway, the bigger people should be there to protect everyone else.
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skibidi ohio behavior 😒
I think it’s because they follow the morality of power, and for them being a man = good.
Like their morality framework is that if you are a loser, you are bad (morally). If you are a winner, you are good.
Men “won” the gender wars. So they are good. Women trying to take space and have “equality” is something a loser would do, thus bad.
Cruelty is for them just another aspect of having power in our world. It’s how you express how much more powerful you are. You can be a dick, you can be arrogant. But if you are cruel and still get away with it? You are truly powerful.
Also, if you are a loser you are not human. Winners are humans, cause humans “won” the jungle survival game.
And so on…
In a world where everyone says you are right you can never appreciate soft power. You don’t know what no means. When you encounter a “No” you angrily yell and someone solves the problem for you. Perhaps by soft power. But because you set the chain of events in motion by yelling you think the yelling was part of it being solved. The cruelty follows. They want a reaction to their dissatisfaction. Cruel baby men.
Sam Neill with the duck is who I want to be as a man, and I’m kind of already halfway there so that’s good.
I <3 (gay) effeminate losers
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love to categorize an entire group of people as hopelessly intrinsically bad here on my favorite leftist website
Hey real quick what’s your opinion of trans men
Hey real quick what’s your opinion of trans men
I remember seeing the “all he/hims on this website are misogynists” struggle session and this question made a lot of folks do
levels of “well um er what i mean was uh” so maybe we’ll get the same argument that inevitably devolves into them doing a transphobia by making an exception for trans menYeah I think this is one brainworm that needs a bit more rooting out on this here hexed bear website (see: how many upvotes that original top-level comment got before it was removed).
But I’m hopeful we can improve! I’ve seen the site improve many of its brainworms over the years. Just takes time and persistent discussion (and good mods/admins, which we have lots of)!
Well trans men are men, so.
I don’t see how this is a black mold incident at all. I do not like or feel safe around men, trans men are men, ergo I also do not like or feel safe around trans men.
Do you believe those that are misogyny affected are wrong to dislike or be distrustful of those who are misogyny exempt? Especially when it is transmisogyny specifically? In a similar vein, do you believe BIPOC are wrong to dislike and be distrustful of white people? Do you deny there is a societal dyanmic there where one group actively benefits from and enforces unfair social paradigms even if as individuals they do not directly intend to? It seems some mod does, as my original comment was sniped despite my repeated insistence I was not speaking from an essentialist position, but I would like to hear it from you.
So what?
Do you believe those that are misogyny affected are wrong to dislike or be distrustful of those who are misogyny exempt? Especially when it is transmisogyny specifically? In a similar vein, do you believe BIPOC are wrong to dislike and be distrustful of white people? Do you deny there is a societal dyanmic there where one group actively benefits from and enforces unfair social paradigms even if as individuals they do not directly intend to? It seems some mod does, as my original comment was sniped despite my repeated insistence I was not speaking from an essentialist position, but I would like to hear it from you.
They probably believe that, but have decided to “log off for a few weeks or months” after they posted an ultra-brainwormed tMRA screed in response to this comment chain and i took it apart so viciously that it must have scared them. Did the usual transmisogynist “i’m sorry you’re so triggered, but you’re a little dumdum who has not parsed the article like I, with my superior masculine high IQ
” and refused to elaborate, maybe because they knew they could not say anything more without letting their mask slip or maybe they just know that i do not show mercy to TMEs, especially not when they’re pulling a very poorly disguised “not all men”.And then they wonder why we very logically respond with “yes all men”
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I agree with what you’re saying but it’s also not responding to what they were saying
- they’re saying all men will inevitably become cruel
- they’re not saying men have a monopoly on cruelty
Still, their argument is bad and I have engaged them to try to identify a possible transphobic brainworm
they’re saying all men will inevitably become cruel
That’s not what they’re saying, though? They’re saying that masculinity, the socio-cultural construct, is upheld and performed through cruelty. In the dominant form of masculinity in Western culture, that is absolutely the case.
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Wherever there are men, no matter how marginalized in any other aspects, they will always selfradicalize into violent misogynists
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There is no masculinity without misogyny.
Okay yeah, that reeks of radfem-style gender essentialism.
I don’t think I’m doing gender essentialism at all. I think I’m doing gender abolitionism, just through correctly identifying which of these social castes is one built on the back of wanting to do oppression and which of them is a formation of being oppressed. Name one aspect of masculinity that isn’t inherently tied to the oppression of women.
Name one aspect of masculinity that isn’t inherently tied to the oppression of women.
I’m too nonbinary to think that there are any concrete aspects of masculinity. We’re in agreement here that it’s made-up social constructs all the way down.
Therefore, I also think it’s foolish to insist that all aspects of masculinity must be inherently toxic.
Wherever there are men, no matter how marginalized in any other aspects, they will always selfradicalize into violent misogynists
Yes because masculinity, as a social caste, is built around misogyny and the oppression of women. This is nothing to do with gender essentialism or bio essentialism. Doing misogyny is THE way to affirm your participation in the social caste of masculinity.
Do you think it’s possible for trans men to pass without being misogynistic?
you forgot that trumps other measure of manliness is his thirst for theremoved of women underage girls and i think thats important
It is pretty cruel, to myself, how many wings I pound at 2 for 1 night at Buffalo Wild Wings.
Trump is a reflection of the complexes of the lawn dealership owners. They’re getting crushed, by both the “big government” (big capitalists) and workers unions. Similar to 30s Germany, they unite under a figure who expresses their desires, but it fundamentally a product of the big capitalists (IG Farben then, agribusiness/pharma firms that were literally part of the IG cartel like Bayer now). In both cases, this class got consolidated into workers/big capitalists right? Pretty sure this means we’re emptying the suburbs and confiscating the treats
