All a distraction from the Epstein files
The core problem with all this anti-vax bullshit, is that Vaccines worked…and they worked too well.
We have entire generations now that have never seen the terrible consequences of Polio, Smallpox, Measels (Although thats quickly changing, Go America! /s), or any other disease thats been eliminated (at least at one point… Go America! /s) from popular concern and conscious.
and as a result, they have no idea what crippling horrors that they have been, and are actively, protected from.
and because humans are, generally, stupid and irrational and a lot of them lack the capability to think about anything beyond what they can see within 3 feet around them, they scream about the vaccines and call them evil because they have absolute no experience with the alternative, which is the diseases themselves.
True for peace time either. Very few people arguing for war has actually ever seen combat.
Yep. In this case: rules are written in blood, yet some people forget why they are here in the first place.
Only to inevitably find out “holy shit, now i get it”
Yep… its the same with almost all regulations, too.
You know, those pesky things conservatives and big business say stifle innovation and reduce money making.
and its true, they reduce innovation and reduce money making… because it stops them from cheaply dumping toxic waste in drinking water, then innovatily selling us filters to clean out the toxic waste.
It stops them from innovating by putting powdered chalk in spoiled milk to whiten it back up, to save profits from loss and sell what would have been losses to the public.
It stops them from mixing coal dust in pepper.
It forces them to provide safety equipment to workers, and cover injuries caused on the job, rather than innovating by letting workers get black lung and be fired once they can no longer work, to die miserable deaths.
Regulations are to the benefit of workers, customers, and the general public. Which is why conservatives and big business hate them, because keeping the public safe and having healthy markets means taking a small portion of money away from million/billionaires.
Don’t forget scarlet fever, rheumatic fever, puerperal fever, and the plague!
Infection is the best protection? Alright then Rand, please get infected with HIV so that you may be protected from it in the future. Better yet, expose yourself to Marburg virus so you’ll never have to use a vaccine ever again. Doesn’t sound so smart now does it?
Hey, it’s still technically correct. Also: Shhh, don’t let the right-wing politicians know.
Rand Paul is vaccinated. Reminder to tell anyone who brings him up that fact.
All conservatives are. Even the most vehement anti-vax ones.
Fox News didnt let anyone in the building without a vaccine card at one point.
But conservative voters always conveniently ignore and pretend not to remember all of this.
He doesn’t seem to be claiming he isn’t vaccinated.
RP: hotdogs might not be healthy Lemmy users: you once at a hotdog hahahaha owned noob!
You’re either young or not American. Rand Paul has been anti vaccination forever
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/rand-pauls-vaccine-claims-microscope
"On Friday night in Iowa, Paul faced likely voters in the state’s leadoff nominating caucuses for the first time since answering questions about a measles outbreak centered in California. Paul said Monday that he had heard about “many tragic cases” of children who got vaccines and ended up with “profound mental disorders.”
That assertion has no basis in medical research, and Paul clearly was still upset on Friday about how his comments had been received"
This is from early 2015, before COVID btw.
The tweet isn’t any kind of “own.” It doesn’t contradict Rand Paul. Everyone here thinking like this is some really clever gotcha moment … they’re just kind of telling on themselves.
Again. Rand Paul has stomped around for over a decade telling people to be wary of vaccines, that they cause autism, mental disorders and that they’re overall unhealthy. Meanwhile he is vaccinated.
I don’t know why you’re being straight up frustratingly stupid about it.
The point is whenever Rand Paul says fuck all about vaccines the first thing to note is HE IS VACCINATED. He’s a hypocrite and he is trying to grift people.
He knows there are Americans who have been convinced by religion and lack of education and people like him to think vaccines aren’t good, so he’s preying on that WHILE HE IS VACCINATED.
He would not be allowed to do the things he does if he wasn’t. It doesn’t matter what he says in this tweet, he should shut the fuck up about vaccinations because the rest of us know he’s lying.
There is no reason to ever listen to this man about vaccinations.
It’s not meant to be a gotcha, it’s not meant to SLAM or OWN or ANNIHILATE Rand Paul. I’m not Ben Shitpiro. Again, if he says fuck all about vaccines know, he is vaccinated and he’s trying to grift.
Okay? Okay.
The right is trying to play off people’s fears because of course no one wants to take their kid to the doctor and have them cry afterward. It’s easy to convince someone who’s already emotional, confused, and afraid that there’s a boogieman behind it.
If infection was the best protection…then why did 7 million people die? Was it the best protection for them? What about the other deaths caused indirectly? What is it like 20-30 million deaths? They know what they’re saying. Fucking evil fucks.
We all knew infection was the best protection.
Statistically speaking, yes, comparing the group who had had COVID vs the group that was vaccinated, in subsequent COVID infections those who had had the disease were less likely to die.
Because those in the infection group who were most likely to die of COVID had already died. Turns out surviving COVID is a good indicator of your ability to survive COVID.
The statistics on unvaccinated first-time COVID vs vaccinated first-time COVID tells a very different story.
This kind of bullshit frustrates me so much.
Long covid is a thing. And it sucks. I’d rather be vaccinated than end up with long covid.
I’d also rather be vaccinated than dead from my first round of COVID. But yes, I know some people suffering from long COVID and it absolutely sucks.
“Best” if you exclusively optimize for immunity in living patients.
While, yes, there’s survivorship bias in such statements I think the stats also showed the chances of contracting a second infection was also lower than a vaccinated person contracting a first infection.
That’s not really surprising. A vaccinated person’s immune system has just seen a single protein, whereas a COVID survivor’s immune system has been trained on the whole virus. I would expect it to perform better.
…but the risk of infection Vs vaccination can’t be ignored.
No reason works on these people.
A family member boasts that covid wasn’t that bad, because he survived it, he doesn’t realize that if he didn’t, he wouldn’t be here making this argument. When bringing up, that his brother in law died he makes an argument that he just had cold and hospital killed him on purpose (conveniently forgetting the fact that you just don’t go to a hospital with a cold)
Something something B17s.
“Infection is the best protection” sounds fucking crazy
I get the context, I get the point
But it’s still crazy
Its literally the idea behind a vaccine anyway. You are deliberately infected with something that mimics a marker for the virus (or sometimes a deactivated virus) in order for your body to deal with it before it fucking kills you.
These idiots are arguing for vaccines without even knowing it.
That’s the idea behind Edward Jenner’s smallpox vaccine, but only a few modern vaccines give live pathogens, or even neutralised pathogens as vaccines.
The COVID RNA vaccines (e.g. Pfizer/Moderna) contained messenger RNA that gave instructions to your body to construct proteins found on the surface of the COVID virus (specifically the spike proteins). Your immune system would then train itself on them.
You’re not getting a small dose of virus, or even any parts of the virus, dead or alive. You’re getting instructions on how to make a substance that the virus also contains. It’s very impressive tech, but I do worry that it could be given blanket approval post-covid. The RNA instructions are just a delivery mechanism. What matters, from a safety point of view, is what the instructions tell the body to make.
Well yes, I was simplifying for the sake of the layman. Either way youre using a marker for your immune system to target.
I will admit Ive been out of the game, so to speak, long before mRNA vaccines became available so I cant comment on the risks.
There’s so much mis/dis-information around this stuff I think it’s worth being precise. Otherwise you get people arguing with each other where neither side is correct and it’s strawmen all round.
I get it. We’ve all been taught vaccines are all variations on a theme, but I think most have taken the wrong bit. As you say, the theme is training the immune system on something. It’s not where that something comes from.
There’s people who are scared of vaccines because “they’re rewriting our DNA”. It’s crap, but it’s because someone heard about mRNA. They’ve misunderstood and become alarmed. That then starts spreading. Telling people “You’ve misunderstood this new amazing tech” lands a lot better than “That’s not even how vaccines work” and then explaining something that isn’t the COVID vaccine.
I swear these grifters, if enough of their fan base dies too fast, will suddenly call it “The Trump Money shot” because vaccine is a dirty word for them.
It’s like saying, “The best way to defend yourself from a fight is to intentionally provoke others, then let your ass get kicked when it happens.”
Whereas getting vaccinated would be, “Learn self-defense beforehand,” with masking and social distancing being, “and avoid getting into fights in the first place.”
We tried immunity via infection. Over a million people died.
But the survivors did great! You Demoncrats keep hiding the FACTS and SCIENCE 😮💨
Did Rand Paul trying checking under the couch cushions? Everyone I cant find something, it’s under the couch cushion.
If he ever invited Vance to the house, I would just never look under couch cushions ever again if I was him.
The weak get culled, and what remains is stronger.
Yeah, remember that which doesn’t kill you, maims you.
And that which doesn’t maim you gives you chronic pain.
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Did I really have to put a /s on that?
Yeah, sadly people says that bullshit unironically
Yes.
First time?
Back in my day, we didn’t have /s, and we liked it.
Problem being is the world is full of idiots that would sincerely believe in that statement. And would take your sarcastic take as validation.
It’s depressing, but even obviously stupid statements aren’t that obviously stupid to some…
Nah. It works both ways 🫣
What remains is stronger than what was culled, but are sicker than before the culling started.
Reminder: The neoeugenics movement wants to ban vaccines for the masses, so that the poor will die from preventable diseases.
Disease mutates if left to eat through the masses. It will mutate into something that kills them too. What an idiotic idea, I struggle to believe these people actually think this way.
Eugenics: I’ll make better people for you. Stronger, faster, smarter! A race of Harrison Bergerons!
Eugenicists: But what if we could become immune to polio?
My favorite is that these chucklefucks treat COVID like it was all Dr Fauci’s fault, as if every major country in the world didn’t also have vaccine strategies in place. The moment you explain the rest of the world doing it better than America, they stare at you like deer in headlights.
they still believe china created it.
They believe FAUCI created it in a secret lab in Wuhan China.
remember rand paul is the other SENATOR of kentucky, along with mitch.
So the good folk of Kentucky are represented by one dead senator and the other just brain-dead. I wonder what their internal monologue is convincing themselves that this is something that actually succeeds in “owning the libs”
Yeah, infection is the best protection… If you survive your first infection, which an awful lot of people didn’t, and many more still developed life long disability as a result.
So I think I speak for most when I say I’d rather take the vaccine, so my chances of dying/being hospitalised were way lower if I ever got the real thing.
Having gotten the vaccine, and later gotten Covid… that it would have been way worse is scary.
Has Rand Paul ever gotten a cold? He must have only done so once and now has lifetime immunity.
I remember the time I got the flu. Boy was it awful, but I’m so glad I can’t ever get it again.
no, but he tried to certify himself by creating his own accredidation program when he became an MD for his specialty, i think opthamology. he was a scam artist from the start.
Rand Paul needed to create his own certification board in order to practice medicine.
medical science has shown that long covid fucks with the brain. now, is this an “easy out” for stupid people, or do we really have to consider it
I think the problem was rooted in public trust. Many people were required to vaccine due to their work or where they lived and vaccine manufacturers were largely sheltered from product lawsuits. Putting these two things together has a corrosive effect on public trust.
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-i-sue-if-im-harmed-by-the-coronavirus-vaccine.html
trump politicized the hell out of it, thats where its coming from.
What injuries? Who has been denied a case here? The standard requiring documented negligence seems completely reasonable, these are highly studied and highly documented items.
If you ride an elevator and you get a headache, you can’t just sue the elevator manufacturer. That elevator was inspected at every step and was known to work, there is a very high bar for you to prove that the elevator caused the headache. Bringing lawyers in is a waste of everyone’s time and money. Vaccines, even the coronavirus vaccines, are 100x as safe as those elevators.
Americans are over-litigious and uneducated about medicine.
It’s not so much that Americans are uneducated… it’s more that a large portion have developed a resistance to being educated…one could perhaps say they’re vaccinated against knowledge.
Didn’t the earlier AstraZeneca vaccine eventually get pulled due to possible links to Acute Disseminated Encephalomyelitis? Ultimately, it doesn’t matter. A lot of people are going to be upset at having a mandate when recourse to justice if the vaccine goes wrong is pulled before the effects are fully studied.
As far as I can tell, that vaccine wasn’t pulled because it was unsafe, it was recommended against because there were other competing vaccines that were safer and more effective.
Its like how they don’t sell cars without backup cameras anymore. Its not like the cars were unsafe without backup cameras (actually all cars are unsafe), but in that rare chance (basically 0.0001% if we’re continuing the analogy), it can save a life by using a car with a camera.
I think people have a poor understanding of what the terms “fully studied” and “extremely rare side effects” mean. In colloquial speak, these vaccines were “fully studied”. For every person who had a vaccine “accident”, there were millions whose lives were saved by the vaccine.
People are willing to take huge risks for convenience (cars), but they’re unwilling to trade away huge risk in return for a microscopic risk (vaccines).
Yes it did. But that one was also a traditional vaccine, not an mRNA one that these idiots screamed conspiracy about.
They used that to throw doubt on all vaccines in general.
2 policies were anti science.
Requiring vaccines for people who had already recovered.
Removing (particularly mask) requirements for people who had been vaccinated.
