Apparently us “tankies” don’t live rent free in their heads.
No. We own all of the estate up in there.
Absolutely unable to think about anything else.
Good old strawman argument never lets them down
Once again I am asking libs to please come up with an argument that properly understands and disproves Marxist analysis. Seriously. I don’t want to have to do a revolution, I don’t want people to die, just voting problems away would be way easier. Except that voting away problems doesn’t actually work, the ruling class will not give up their power peacefully.
But all they ever have is lies and bullshit, they can’t ever attack our position based on anything we actually believe, because they can’t prove it wrong. They’re just mad their vibes based analysis doesn’t actually work, and think that shooting the messenger will magically fix that.
Why do that, when you can do what this guy did, and send me a genuinely illegible listicle?
liberals reading about a conflict between two different modes of production in an extremely stratified class system: muh freedom fighting revolutionaries
Would love to hear this worthless little shitstain explain how these two are morally equivalent, would love to hear all about chattel slavery in modern day Russia
Tell me a single fucking story about a child being ripped from their mother’s arms and sold, I’m all ears
Russia = Bad
Confederacy = Bad
See tankie? These two are exactly the same and therefore you support both because you’re an evil redfash tankie.
Of the two, the US is the one with slavery still legal under its constitution. I haven’t read the Russian Federation’s constitution, but I’d bet money on slavery not being legal there under any circumstances. The abolition of serfdom was a major part of their history, under both the tsars and the bolsheviks.
Contemporary Marxists supported the union unanimously. Libs just cannot comprehend why we are always right
the virgin soil of immense tracts
The stunning Eurosity comes crashing in
Those on lemmy.world would also say the confederates are hamas not Israel
Oh right cause of the wall the Northerners built around the confederate states controlling who could come and go, and their previous invasions, makes sense
they call themselves rebels is the only thought process that’d go into it.
The CNT(Confederación Nacional del Trabajo/National Confederation of Labor)) an anarcho-syndicalist trade union who along With the FAI formed the majority of the anarchist faction of the Republican(left-wing anti-nationalist anti-fascist) side in the Spanish civil war, believe it or not advocates for slavery, it right there in the name! /s
If they could grasp material analysis they wouldn’t be Libs.
That website with all the John Brown emotes, that just posted an original John Brown fan videogame? Yep. They’re Confederates.
Didn’t the original sub get banned for John brown posting
the prevailing theory is that the subreddit got banned because of an influx of “slave owners deserve to die” posts, yes. as it happens a lot of those were also John Brown posts
John Brown fangame‽ send link
Wow, art isn’t dead
Crushing the Confederacy was the one time the Untied States was progressive. Of course the libs of the era made sure that slavers got away scot free and that black people were still oppressed afterwards.
Crushing the confederacy wasn’t about freeing enslaved people, it was about ending the slave plantation production model and replacing it with the industrial factory employment mode of production. The northern bourgeois had a more efficient system that pushed a lot of the responsibilities of the slave owner back onto the employee, they did not give a shit about the plight of the slave.
That still makes it more progressive in a strictly materialist sense, since it creates conditions (urbanization, expansion of the proletariat, concentration of production) more conducive to socialist revolution.
It was as Frederick Douglass said in Boston in 1865, that the Civil War was begun "in the interests of slavery on both sides. The South was fighting to take slavery out of the Union, and the North fighting to keep it in the Union; the South fighting to get it beyond the limits of the United States Constitution, and the North fighting for the old guarantees;-both despising the Negro, both insulting the Negro.
– Black Reconstruction in America
Bleak racism
The north got fucking terrified because of Haiti and the common sentiment at the time was that black people couldn’t compete with white people in the free market and would thus die out on their own. When that didn’t happen abe lincoln himself was looking into ways to deport them to africa, but his general said black people would procreate faster than they could deport and so they just started burning villages and destroying everything black people built after the civil war instead.
No, the US was also progressive from roughly 1930-1945, and not just because of the New Deal. It was also because of genuinely anti-imperialist foreign policy in Latin America.
[G]enuinly anti-imperialist foreign policy in Latin America
I can’t claim to know too too much on the subject, but I do know Puerto Rico must be a rather notable exception to this assertion
It certainly is. Even at its most progressive moments, the US never stopped being a racist colonizer run by capitalists for capitalists for a second. But in certain periods, due to a complex set of conditions (especially involving interstate conflict and powerful mass movements), the US was in aggregate a progressive force for the world. Probably totals up to less than 10% of the country’s existence.
If you wanna read more on the Latin America stuff, check out Greg Grandin’s work, like America, América. Under FDR, the Vice President was going to Bolivian indigenous peasant unions and fighting on their behalf against US corporations, the Secretary of State supported and enforced pan-American labor rights and minimum wage, and the Ambassador to Mexico materially defended Mexican land expropriation of American corporate property. Communists across the continent were vocal supporters of the US and thought it was about to make a lasting turn towards anti-imperialism and worker power. Latin American states run by leftists were seeking closer integration so the US could aid them politically suppressing fascists. It was a brief period, but it was legit. I don’t think the US is capable of repeating that, structurally, without a revolution or at least a working class powerful enough to threaten one.
Added to the ever-expanding reading list. Thank you, comrade!
Great post!
Why did the Chapo sub get banned again?
Liberal: “I bet you tankies would have supported the confederacy!”
Leftist: “Kill every slaver, write the history of liberation with the blood of the oppressors”
Liberal: “Mooooods?
”And thus was born the artist ChaCha subsequently know as Hexbear
“Anyone who criticizes or opposes US foreign policy is a fan of the Confederate States of America”
Is this seriously the best these dipshits can come up with? This exceeds liberal self-parody and runs smack into unreality, but what can you expect from reject reddit trash
These are the same people who would’ve been like, “I’m against slavery, but it’s just too complex of an issue to just get rid of it!”
“It wasn’t about slavery! It was about culture and heritage!”
The culture and heritage is slavery.
I’m willing to bet real money that hexbear and lemmygrad have a much higher percentage of poc than lemmyworld.
Hexbear feels white as fuck idk
White westerners are the majority, but PoCs are a significant percentage, likely more than most other instances(based on self demographic ‘polls’, and not that any ethnicity is a monolith but PoC in general are more likely to be attracted to left wing politics outside of the US Overton window where the center-right neoliberal democrats are considered left-wng(source is just for US but others can be found). The EMPoC comm here and its mega are pretty active, None of that is concrete so I can understand not believing it.
Anyways its feels white as fuck because it is, but is significantly less white than most instances, and because of most Hexbears conviction towards certain ideals and commonly shared aspects of worldview, whitey shuts up when he should a bit more often than those other instances.
Any idea why niche internet forums are overwhelmingly white?
More access to tech and free time especially for the ethnic majority who unlike the racialised underclass are not subject to greater degrees of poverty that curtails those things, is in (white majority)western countries is one factor.
As well as the majority of such sites being English language(which is the majority language or the primary second language in most white majority countries). e.g. A Spanish or Arabic language forum would have significantly different demographics.And outside of Hexbear specifically, PoCs often get banned by white admins/mods for bringing up racial disparity and their experiences with it, under the guise of removing ‘divisive politics’
Black people have to actually do things I guess
I think it’s more downwardly mobile vs upwardly mobile white people in comparing us to the lib instance. Intuition from posting and recent struggle sessions here
Not compared to lemmy.world.
5% vs 0.2%
Yeah that’s around where i’d guess.
I highly doubt it, at least in the case of hexbear
