She says a lot more but my eye rolling made me stop reading after the first five sentences
https://xcancel.com/ImBreckWorsham/status/1986436503988297774#m
I get all of the comments here. I understand the anger and distain that so many of you are feeling over the current state of things. I share in many of the frustrations and anger.
But it depresses me that Trump won’t run for office again. He will be replaced by someone and the entire pool of former Trumpers will see that person and think that they can do all the things they hoped that Trump would do.
Even if Trump exits office without doing any further significant harm, the people who have made these kinds of revelations, like in the OP, will probably still vote for the same party, in spite of it all. Sure, they may never vote for Trump again, but they’ll never get the chance to anyways, so who cares?
This was calculated.
Don’t be surprised if the next candidate follows the same playbook as Trump, and don’t be surprised if the MAGA crowd falls for it again.
The only way forward, to ensure that this kind of damage is stopped, is to rally together in sufficient numbers to ensure that these folks don’t get into office any more. The absentee voters need to get out and vote.
I am confident that the numbers would work out if we could get enough people to the voting booth.
LMAO. Suffer, bitch.
A year or two ago I would have felt sorry for her.
Now I have absolutely zero sympathy.
This is the “Turning Point USA” we need.
I would love (well…not really “love”) to see the rest of that tweet as I expect them to say something along the lines of “…but I still love you and believe in you and how much you love America yadda yadda”…
When exactly are children starving through their own fault?
When are adults starving through their own fault?
It’s just something to add emphasis, no need to nitpick.
I can excuse racism and pedophilia, but my financial wellbeing is where I draw the line!
Man, I mean, that kind of is the ugly truth, isn’t it? Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia if it means there’s a shot at personal gain. I’m not surprised, really, just wholly disgusted.
Some people actually can excuse racism and pedophilia
And it’s worse, just today I was reading
Groups of Italians and other nationalities, so-called “sniper tourists”, are alleged to have participated in the massacre after paying large sums of money to soldiers belonging to the army of Radovan Karadžić, the former Bosnian Serb leader who in 2016 was found guilty of genocide and other crimes against humanity, to be transported to the hills surrounding Sarajevo so that they could shoot at the population for pleasure.
Sarajevo is in a basin surrounded by mountains, which made cutting it off and attacking it particularly easy.The snipers were perhaps the most feared element of life under siege in Sarajevo because they would pick off people on the streets, including children, at random, as if it was a video game or a safari.
I know right? The dude said “Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything” and ”I moved on her like a bitch.”
When I heard that during his first campaign, I thought he was done, no one could possibly accept such deplorable behavior, right?
…and here we are.
Well, think of who his supporters are, they just don’t think he means their pussy. How he got any women to vote for him is beyond me but…here we are, maybe they’d be proud and wear a shirt if he did and the “red pill” assholes were partly right ?
https://truthout.org/articles/yes-55-percent-of-white-women-voted-for-trump-no-im-not-surprised/
I remember when an enthusiastic “yeah!” would end a politicians career and mark them as “too unhinged” to represent anyone.
Brown suits and mustard preferences are also beyond the pale of acceptable political behavior
In the best scenario this is a wedge in what they believe. “If he lied about this… is he lying too about the rest?”
He has lied about so much and been proven wrong, so sadly I doubt anyone will take that away from this
That’s why I say “in the best scenario”. In the typical they won’t see a problem in that.
You really nailed it with this, thank you.
The thing is that a there’s actually a pretty big divide among MAGA now. Ever since Trump and his admin refused to release the Epstein files like promised, there’s a very big chunk of MAGA who went in uproar and rejected Trump. That chunk of MAGA which I would say is maybe around 1/3 of the base is disenfranchised because while they’re still MAGA in their beliefs, they no longer view Trump as a prophet like the rest of the base.
oh how I wish I believed that
I think its true. Think about it, a big part of right wing ideology, at least in the US, over the past decade or so is the idea that there’s global network of powerful individuals who influence how the world is run, who are discretely working together to run a child trafficking ring. This idea has spanned quite a few conspiracy theories from pizzagate to Q anon to the Epstein list. A very large chunk of the right not only believe this, but it is the basis of their political beliefs.
The reason why this part of the right gravitated towards Trump to begin with is because he’s the only one who entertained the idea. While all the other politicians ignored or denied these conspiracies, Trump used them to gain support. In 2016 Trump claimed that he was going to go against the establishment, expose their crimes, and drain the swamp. In 2020 he claimed that the powerful elites were conspiring against him because he was close to exposing them and they’re trying to steal the election to keep him out. In 2024 he claimed that he will release the Epstein files the first day he’s in office again.
A lot of people genuinely believed that he would do this even though he himself is a powerful elite, has close ties to the people who ran the pedo rings, and there’s allegation that he even participated… but then again, we’re not talking about the most critically skilled bunch. Regardless, these people supported Trump because he promised to deliver what they sought, and so in that sense they’re more loyal to their belief in their conspiracies then they are to Trump himself.
When the Epstein list turned out to be a real thing, their long running conspiracy theory has finally been validated, and they pinned all their hopes on the one guy in the political sphere who promised to bring it all out to light on day one. So when that time came and Trump started his second term, nothing happened. These people started getting antsy and they started putting more and more pressure on Trump and his admin to explain the delays, especially after Bondi explicitly stated that the files were on her desk.
So when Bondi and Trump suddenly did a 180 and not only refused to release the Epstein files, but straight up denied their existence, that’s when the spell was finally broken on some of these MAGA types who hitched a ride just for these files to be exposed to the public. This was doubly so when he publicly disowned any supporter who even entertained the idea of its existence. At that point even the most dimwitted MAGA who joined the movement for the truth saw that Trump was not only not going to deliver on his promises, but he basically just admitted that he’s guilty. He’s one of the elite they were trying to go after all this time.
This portion of MAGA is what became disenfranchised, they’re no longer see Trump as a fit leader for the movement even if they believe a lot of what he stands for. You don’t hear about them or see them as much, because they’re not really a part of MAGA anymore. They’ve been banned from all MAGA spaces virtual and irl the moment Trump disavowed them, and they’ve been rejected as being liberals by the more brainwashed MAGAs who are still in the movement, in fact these ultra brainwashed MAGAs are the movement.
This may ironically be a conspiracy theory on my part, but I firmly believe that this rift is real. I have never, ever seen the comment sections on Fox News, ONN, Brietbart as well as the Twitter, Truth Social, and the right wing youtube space turn as heavily against Trump as that moment. I think this was the last straw for a lot of them, and I assure you that Trump and his MAGA candidates are going to be shells of themselves in terms of performance in every election from now on.
They became the victim.
If more people actually worked like this, we’d have fewer issues. Rightwing policies are absolutely terrible for working class people, and workers far outnumbers the groups that would benefit financially from these policies (even when the people in power are somewhat more reasonable than Trump and don’t sacrifice the entire economy for their insider trading schemes).
The solution is simple, we eat the rich
I cannot bring myself to believe that this is real. The only way I can believe someone so eloquent of a writer would believe Trump is if they are in on it and it seems she’s not a billionaire. Also, I don’t think people who would vote for Trump 3 times would ever have the ability to reflect and change their view on him.
If they would be capable of that, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.
100%. Rightwingers believe people who use welfare are mostly undeserving except the occasional outlier. They’d more easily accept that the dems simply won’t let Trump release the Epstein list or some conspiratorial nonsense than call it the Epstein shutdown. This is a lib doing a “How do you do fellow cultists”.
Rightwingers believe people who use welfare are mostly undeserving except the occasional outlier.
And all of their family members who rely on welfare are in the “outlier” group. Because they aren’t like those other people. They really need it.
Or they also hate their family members. It can be pretty hard to convince these types of people that your medical conditions are actually real if they’re not as visible as e.g. amputated limbs, and then they just see you as lazy failures or something.
Also, a bit too articulate for the average cultist.
The moment she expressed concern for people who weren’t her, or directly related to her, was what broke the suspension of disbelief for me.
The belt got tighter and tighter until it started to hurt them personally. Then they started to reflect.
Don’t doubt the human capacity for self
reflectiondeception. I’ve met quite a few of articulate imbeciles who voted orange.Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.
Kelsey Grammar, who player Frasier and the X-man Beast, is famously a Trump asslicker.
Hmmm, side show bob was famously a self aware, smart republican. Good casting
Edit: deception. Self deception. Autocorrupt got the best of me.
This shit is why I never use autocorrect. It’s way too easy to end up saying this kind of absurd garbage, some typos and typing slightly slower can never be as bad as that. And I’m already the type who might forget a “not” and thus say the complete opposite of what I intended …
For me it was how easily they slipped in the phrase “Epstein shutdown” that gave it away. That just seems so clearly phrased by someone who always hated Trump cosplaying as victim of a face eating leopard.
The mistake is believing the capacity to disappoint isn’t unbounded.
If you haven’t had the “pleasure”, talk to a Republican in real life. This is how they think…
I talk to them daily. This is not how they think. They didn’t ever stop to think that maybe they were wrong.
I frequently chat with my neighbor who is a Q-class Trumper. Over the past year, I’ve been able to observe the leopards licking his face as if I were filming a nature documentary in 4k. We actually get along great. I like having a window into whatever inane, batshit information he consumes, and he really enjoys my company, as I don’t outwardly judge him, and I listen. Naturally, he’s on disability and dependent upon the state. As such, he’s running low on funds and needs to move in a couple months.
We had elections this past week in my state. I told him that I voted, and he offered up some excuses as to why he can’t make it to the polls. We tend not to directly discuss politics, because I told him a long time back that I’m still salty about Bernie. Deep down, he knows that we don’t align, but he doesn’t want to rock the boat. I give his pets treats. I give him treats. He occasionally mentions various religion-based conspiracies and alludes to looming conflict and the criminality of the left, but he’s become more mum on this front. I think, the gears may be turning in his head.
I don’t have any grand insights with which to conclude my anecdote. I give the guy a 30-70 chance of rediscovering reality. But, by being nice to the dude, I do think his chances are much better than they would be had I ignored him the past few years.
But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them. In your case, it sounds like they are right on the border of realizing this. It just sucks that this is what it takes for them to even consider this.
It’s tragic, yes. But, don’t underestimate the effects of propaganda, repeat exposures that dwarf my face time with the guy. He doesn’t have my range of experience. He’s just a lonely, 50-something man that’s had more negative than positive experiences in life. He has tunnel vision.
In my mind, he’s responsible for his choices and frame-of-mind. But that’s not going to stop me from sharing my perspective without confronting or proselytizing. Insecurity is a mother fucker.
Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.
I was raised white Christian nationalist, although we didn’t call it that and I wouldn’t have realized that’s what I was. I was taught all the conservative bullshit, both politically and socially. Thankfully there was always a part of me that was like “something isn’t right here” and I kept my mouth shut and was never the bully going around mouthing off to gay kids or minorities, but I definitely thought things like “being gay is a choice” and “poor people should just work harder” and “abortion is something welfare queens do” but also “welfare queens have lots of babies for more money”.
Being around people like you who were nonjudgmental and just talked about their point of view and occasionally gently challenged my beliefs without being confrontational opened my worldview and helped give me the courage to listen to the voice in my head that was saying something felt wrong with the belief system I was raised in. I’d always been taught things like liberals were stupid and lacked critical thinking skills and acted solely on emotions and I was young and kept in a bubble and was dumb enough to believe it until I started meeting people who proved otherwise. That was enough to start the cracks forming that eventually shattered the entire wall of lies. I’m now a raging socialist and I don’t care how people live their lives as long as they aren’t harming anyone else. I don’t think I would have ended up that way if I wasn’t someone who is willing to think for myself and who isn’t afraid to be the “black sheep”, because leaving that mindset lost me my family, but I definitely wouldn’t have ever been able to start down the path I’m on if I was never exposed to people like you who started showing me the lies in the first place.
Kudos man. Happy to hear that. It’s tough to assemble a cogent world view when the people closest to you muddy the waters by tugging emotional hooks. I’ve been there.
Talking to him and being a good person can do more than you realize.
100%. Honestly more than anything were suffering a large scale collapse of community. First, the highway system and cars came in and carved up large-scale communities. Everyone riding around in their own personal pods, not having to interact with anyone else.
Then the internet comes in, allowing anyone and everyone to find material that conforms and confirms their biases. Forget about going out and touching grass. Has anyone spent any actual time in an average day brushing elbows with hundreds of strangers and holding casual conversations. Nothing stops stupid behaviors faster than being judged by the community around you.
That’s what fixed the rest of what was left of my toxic worldview. I started working in healthcare. I’ve treated people from all over the world. I’ve treated people who speak so many different languages. I’ve treated people of all religions. I’ve treated different gender identities and sexual preferences. I’ve treated people I knew were rapists or murderers (fucking worst, but you grit your teeth and treat them like human beings who need healthcare). I’ve treated so many refugees from various places (love the refugees, keep them in the US!)
All of them are just people. I’ve met a lot of really shitty people and a lot of really good people. It’s hard to hate a group of people when you meet individuals from a particular subset and realize they have the same hopes and fears as you. At the end of the day, we all just want to go to our respective homes and be safe and loved and alive and there shouldn’t be anything political about that.
Not that you need me to tell you this, but you’re a good person.
But your story just continues to show that nobody with such strong opinions seem to care until it directly effects them.
Yeah. I’ve been considering that it’s a bit like the difference between empirical and theoretical physicist.
The theoretical physicist uses models of how the world works to make predictions about the outcome of experiments. The empirical physicist has to do experiments to believe it. It’s kinda the same for people in politics.
Some people can predict what outcome certain policies are going to have. Others have to figure it out experimentally.
What’s the best way to teach a kid to not play with fire?
Let them touch it. Hopefully they will only do it once
People who are below average intelligence take a lot longer time process new information and tend to hang onto myths much longer than smart people. Smart people can adapt to new information whereas these folks just can’t. They are susceptible to being gaslit because they can’t think critically. Personally, I don’t think people below a certain intelligence level should be permitted to vote.
I’m going to disagree with you a bit here. I’ve seen first hand when intelligent people use all their additional cognitive ability to create rationalizations and pseudo-logical interpretations of questionable facts to avoid challenging their own assumptions. It takes a good dose of humility/integrity to admit that you were wrong and be willing to change course. That’s not a feature of intelligence, at least not in the realm where it is typically measured.
You may not realize it but you’re humanizing “the left” for him. Its probably keeping him somewhat grounded.
Heh, oh I do realize that. I’d not say I’m being strategic, but I am being intentional. One of the reasons I chose to live where I currently do is to expose myself to that subset of the population. I don’t have a car, and one of the (internalized) benefits is creating opportunity to chat with a broad spectrum of people. I hope this doesn’t sound like I’m tooting my own horn, but I consider myself to be a student of perspective. Many years ago, after university, I joined the Peace Corps. I have direct experience building relationships with folks whose beliefs blind them. I just find it tragic that we seem to be careening toward conflict when it’s all so eminently avoidable. So, I try to spread a little grassroots goodwill.
I’d add, I wish that we in America had some form of compulsory or strongly-encouraged foreign service not related to war.
First of all, i don’t think you’re tooting your own horn, you juuust stated you don’t have a car! So its unlikely you happen to have a horn lying about…
Intentional is a good description, but from what i read i want to add sincerity. Thats important, especially in a world of grift and propaganda.
Is this not normal? If you treat people kindly and with respect, they’re more likely to respect you back and treat you kindly. This common courtesy establishes a level of trust where others are more willing to listen to what you have to say. This is the only way people can ever change their minds.
I have never seen any instance of anyone changing their minds because others were demonizing them and making fun of them. I feel like the people who advocate for others to be dicks to people like this guy tend to be major assholes themselves, and these people are big part of the problem. Yet that views is becoming more and more common. So props to you for treating this guy like person, you might think much of it, but your interactions with him might very well be the reason why he even has the chance of coming around.
you’re honestly one of the best. I wish I could have that kind of patience even just for my own family let alone others.
Cute, but of course it’s fake, a ‘feel-good’ post for the left. Some of the phrasing (‘we see you’, ‘Sit down’, etc) exposes this as someone on the left impersonating a magat. MAGA simply does not talk like that.
Look at the profile and timeline. It’s all anti-trump, anti-repub stuff, just done in a way to sound like coming from a conservative POV. No posts bashing Democrats which a real maga account would definitely have.
We can see their profile from the link.
- verified account
- Joined April 2023
- 19,284 tweets
- earliest months support Trump & MAGA while opposing Biden & Democrats
For a fake, that’s a long con.
It’s not a long con, it’s a long shtick. And not as long as the Colbert Report.
Colbert was ironic comedy, satire, & parody.
The earliest months look sincere in their support Trump & MAGA while opposing Biden & Democrats. That’s a considerable commitment. I doubt the commenter I responded to actually looked at the timeline.
Maybe, but there is a genuine shift among the right where they’re turning against Trump. Trump has been relevant in politics for a decade, and I have never, ever seen a bigger uproar against him within the right than when refused to release the Epstein files. That was the very first time that I thought “oh shit, this is different”
Republicans do not hold a monopoly on bashing the democrats. The republicans dont even do a good job of it.
Everyone hates getting taxed, idk how ppl cant come together on taxing the ultrawealthy more so we get taxed less, they just avoid it entirely, idk how mfs still believe in trickle down economics
because I’ll be a billionaire one day too. just gotta finish pulling up these bootstraps
There would be no incentive to become a billionaire if you have to give away 0.1% of it! It only grows at like 8% a year in the first place! 😭😭😭
Basically the ultra-wealthy are presented like a superstar, like a celebrity in american media. That way, everybody wants to identify with them, and that causes the thought that if they have more wealth “that’s good for all of us” because they identify with them.
It’s basically because they have superstar status that people worship them. That’s what this is all about.
I’m fine with taxes.
Like, as in the way they are at the exact moment in time of this post?
Taxes are great as a concept but who pays what and when: seems rigged in favor of those who have.
I’m fine with paying taxes, yes.
You don’t need taxes if the government owned a few key assets that actually generated profit.
The only reason we have taxes is because we decided long ago that only private enterprise should make money.
She’ll forget about her ‘outrage’ in a week ot two, then go back to praising all his ‘wisdom and leadership’.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be Compassionate! She THOUGHT that by Electing Trump ONLY Trans and Brown kids would be Hurt! She NEVER Thought
JesusTrump would go after WHITE People too! Be NICE!See a normal person would see this as opportunity to bring this person over to their side. This could be an opportunity to explain to this person that this is how other people feel too, that her she’s not alone in her rejection of Trump, and that she’s better off joining everybody else in the fight for everyone instead of just for some.
However, a deranged person would see this as opportunity to mock and belittle this person for changing their view because they view people as inherently evil.
My friend, people have been explaining that shit to them for decades. This person will 100% vote for the next fascist who hurts brown people and lgbtq people
The point isn’t to convert, politics is not religion. The point is to use common ground to establish coalitions and utilize diplomacy tactics (compromise and cooperation) to advance practical policies that seek to benefit the greater good. You’re not going to see eye to eye with everyone, and it’s wrong to think that you should only ever work with people who do. If people like her share a common stance with us, it would be foolish not to capitalize on it.
Or, theres more issues than just trans people. Ffs, America is fucking doomed. Youre not upset that theres a fucking nazi Gestapo running around, youre just upset that arent taking away the people you want taken away. What a fucking mess.
I think I might have cancer from reading some of the responses. And then clicking through to their profiles.
It’s truly astounding the things these people believe.
And they believe the same things about us.
We have an actual war on truth and objective facts in this country, and it’s being waged by billionaires that control the narrative to pit us against each other. American media is a goddamn propaganda farm run by a dozen or so Goebbels.
I agree with what you said, but I’m like 5% worried you might be referring to “leftist propaganda”.
You think leftist propaganda doesn’t exist?
Not in any meaningful way, at least in the US.
I think there’s only a small handful of leftists in American politics at all, and that their propaganda apparatus would be small, if it exists at all. Maybe centrist, neoliberal propaganda, but leftist? Where?
Leftist is a relative position, so what it means changes depending on what it’s compared to. There is always a left and a right as long as there is a meaningful distinction between the two.
Oh it absolutely does, but nowhere near the volume as rightist propaganda.
Literally all of the major news channels are owned by conservative billionaires now. And a substantial amount of newspapers. They bought your local TV news, too…and in doing so they bought your trust.
Every time I click on a conservative news source, there are half-truths, lies through omission and/or emotional language in an active voice. All the news channels have talking heads scream-talking in an elevated, authoritative voice and have banners run across the bottom in all caps as if it’s yelling at you. It wants your attention, and it wants you to think it’s important and scary.
These are age-old tactics of yellow journalism. Does it happen in leftist news? Sure, sometimes. Not nearly the same level.
The problem is, generally speaking, the full story with whole-facts is damning to the right. So they keep only the news that works for them.
If this wasn’t obvious by the time Kellyanne Conway got up on Meet The Press and told us about “Alternative Facts”, then it should’ve been by the time Trump talked about Haitians eating pet dogs on the debate stage.
In today’s political climate, Leftist propaganda isn’t a threat. It’s irrelevant.
I say this as someone who firmly believes in capitalism and limited government.
Fascism is the only threat that matters right now.
You don’t think Charlie Kirk or Trump shooting are related to propaganda?
First of all, those shooters were right wing nutjobs. So leftist propaganda was definitely not involved.
Virtually all political violence in America is done by rightwing extremists. That’s a fact that’s been true for 45 years. You can look it up.
If you sincerely believed that those shootings were caused by the political left, then you need to fact check your news sources and check your own gullibility, because you got tricked.
Second of all, I meant a threat to our society, democracy, and our way of life. I didn’t mean a threat to individual fascists.
If tankies ever become significant, I’ll be right here arguing against them. But they’re not significant. That’s another fascist lie.
As far as I can tell, there is no official motive known for Crooks, but Robinson was clearly not motivated by right wing propaganda. Where do you get your news? Do you have any sources supporting your theories that they were right wing? The irony…
All the MAGA morons I know are totally fine with what is going on
Many aren’t, they are disappointed he isn’t going harder :(
They will be, until they are personally affected
It’s the party of pure selfishness, they do not understand empathy. Until they themselves are affected at all, they won’t understand .
They understand it and they believe that it is “evil”. Charlie Kirk said it himself.
That video Don’t be a Sucker should be mandatory yearly viewing. It won’t solve everything but people would learn to better recognize the divide and isolate patterns.
Or maybe not. Humans are complicated.
Ben Shapiro quaking in his Jewish little boots rn. Turns out if you’re instilling hate about all the minorities, they’ll eventually get to yours.
This is the case for most people. People change their opinions when they’re personally affected because first hand personal experience is as real as its going to get.
Anyone who has empathy can see how bad things are for others without going through it themselves though
But that’s a matter of perspective. Empathy as a concept is vague, subjective, and fluid.
Sure, but the definition is about putting yourself in others shoes. If someone said “let’s lock up all (ethnicity)” and you can’t imagine how shitty it is to be locked up due to ethnicity, then you got a problem
Sure, but let me give you the same example but in a different context.
Let’s suppose that instead of “let’s lock up everyone from this ethnic group”, a politician says “let’s stop illegal immigration”. Stopping illegal immigration is a perfectly rational, reasonable, moral stance to have. If someone hears the latter phrasing, they might take it at face value even if the politician really means the former. Thus, this individual has come to indirectly support the former even though they think they’re supporting the latter. The end result is the same because the politician’s intentions never changed, however, the morality of this individual is no longer as black and white as in your example.
And if said person can see what is happening, for example with ICE, and they don’t question what is going on, after gaining an understanding, then its right back to being as black and white
Your first mistake was thinking the MAGA morons have empathy.
Oh I don’t think they do
