The Department of Justice instructed prison auditors across the country to simply stop assessing whether facilities are violating laws designed to shield LGBT+ prisoners from sexual abuse

The U.S. Department of Justice will “immediately” stop enforcing a swathe of federal regulations protecting trans and intersex prisoners from rape and sexual assault, according to leaked documents.

In a memo obtained by the non-profit news outlet Prism, DoJ official Tammie M. Gregg told prison auditors across the nation to “immediately pause” all “compliance determinations” for key safety rules concerning LGBTQI+ inmates, and advise prisons to “disregard” them.

Those rules include requiring trans and intersex prisoners to be allowed separate showers, banning body searches purely for the purpose of finding out what genitals they have, and requiring prison staff to consider their safety when assigning them to male or female wings.

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      They’re not going to stop. People like this don’t stop. They don’t stop until forced. Power is the only language they understand.

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      and we have no one to stop them

      It’s not going to take “one” to stop them.

      It’ll take concerted group action.

      Which seems impossible in a country of “rugged individualists” who don’t seem to grasp the concept of working together toward a common goal.

      (Don’t just downvote me - prove my cynicism wrong)

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      Maybe we could stop them, instead of waiting for someone else to do it.

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        Okay I’m game. What’s the plan? Or where are we meeting? Because its going take rebellion to fight against these fascist. No voting it away. Oh and we must plan it without using our phones or social media since they track everything.

        Opps guess already failed that by asking the above questions. And no way can we organize a rebellion or protest that doesn’t have to be first announced on social media. Like those No Kings Protest. Bet everyone who attended now on a list somewhere and when ready ICE will round us all up. Remember they are using the nazi playbook. And one of them is to round up undesirables and people who are against them.

        With the Supreme Court about rule against birthright citizenship it is just another stepping stone until they can round up citizens and put us in camps. If we allow it get to that point it will be to late to fight back and win.

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          If you put the same energy you put into that defeatist attitude and writing that comment into problem-solving and bravery, maybe we’d have a solution.

          I’ve tried to organize multiple things myself, the only issue I’ve had is no one ever actually does anything. Because Americans only like to complain and not actually do anything.

          You aren’t scared enough.

          I’m LGBT, severely disabled, the child of an immigrant if we’re really bringing that birthright stuff up, pretty radically left and have been TOO vocal about it, and probably on a list, and I don’t even know if I’ll be alive 1, 5, or 10 years from now. I don’t have much left to lose. Apparently most people do, or else they’d feel compelled to act.

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            If you’re serious, I’m willing. DM me. That applies to you and anyone else who sees this comment and actually wants to do something.

            Just keep in mind that I’m chronically ill, so I may not respond immediately.

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                Like at this point you’re starting to convince me that you’re some right winger or bot intent on discouraging change. I can’t take you seriously.

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                Bold of you to assume I was keeping it to DMs and bold of you to assume my plan had anything to do with anything you mentioned.

                Although maybe jumping to conclusions is your problem.

                I can also tell you never read any of my comments besides the ones you thought you could respond with a “gotcha.” I already have a target on my back. I’ve had no choice but to be in the privacy game for years for my own survival. If you think being reliant on the government to stay alive doesn’t mean you have to walk on eggshells 24/7, you are extremely ignorant and not the leftist you might think you are.

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              i would, but i CAN’T go outside without permission - i’d help with the organizing, but i will NOT attend the protest, sorry. seriously!

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                That’s fine. Like I said, I’m chronically ill. I’m mostly housebound. There are many ways to make a difference.

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    Fuck this whole administration. Fucking disgusting.

    I’m not American, but that violates the “cruel and unusual punishment” part of the constitution, no?

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      There has long been a dark undertow of anti-intellectuals and sick fuckers in this country that I’ve encountered with all my life that practically celebrate prison rape (of men by other men) because they think it’s deserved. For pretty much any crime, they think that is part of the punishment.

      They are sick and broken people, and unfortunately, it is part and parcel of the culture.

      When W came along and proposed doing something about this, I remember having conversations much like I had on the playground, except with supposed functioning adults - they’d give blank stares as if they thought it was anathema to do something about it. They seriously think that rape (and other violence) is something you deserve in prison. Like it didn’t even compute for them to have no tolerance for rape of men.

      I’m sure these people think that trans/intersex “deserve” it even more so…

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        People like that think rape is ok, period. They don’t believe women about it, either, because they think any “excuse” you give the rapist is valid whether it’s wearing a skirt, having a drink, being LGBT+, committing any crime, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, etc.

        They think rape is the right of men. (They likely also believe female perpetrated rape isn’t real at all)

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      The ghouls on the supreme court have ruled that to be banned, a punishment must be both cruel and unusual. If it’s cruel and common then it’s fine for certain types of cruelty. Like solitary confinement lasting weeks, or months, or even years in some cases.

      There are more okay forms of cruelty, and a lot of things that are banned, but fewer banned things than anyone with human empathy would condone.

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    If you order and carry out this kind of thing, there is something wrong with your brain.

    Even W had the fucking decency to start initiatives to do something about prison rape, FFS.

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    And the Project2025 agenda takes yet another step towards their dream goal of a theocratic dictatorship.

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      I keep hoping that the people will come to their senses at some point. But I suspect that this is just what America is. I’ve never in my lifetime been more ashamed to be an American.

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    These people want everyone raped in prison.

    They’re fundamentally the most evil people to exist and need to be killed before they kill us first

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        hopefully nobody reminds them because I’m confident these people think prison rape is the entire point of prisons

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          Oh, for sure. I grew up in a deeply red part of the country, and if you don’t already know, I assure you that there are many conservatives that think rape is, and should be, part of the “correctional” prison complex. That if you commit a crime, even something relatively minor, if you don’t go to get prison and get raped, well, then, they personally feel you cheated or that the system isn’t working quite properly. Because prison is supposed to be punishment, and obviously, that means rape, I guess. And other forms of violence.

          Again, that’s for male cishet prisoners. Unless you are “manly” enough to avoid it, I guess. Anyone else - they deserve it.

          I’m quite sure that for trans/intersex their thoughts are even more horrible.

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      Americans genuinely seem to believe that sexual assault in prison is an engineered intention of the prison system. We also get an earful about how rape is the consequence of inmates assaulting one another with scant acknowledgement of the chronic abuse by prison staff against inmates.

      No real consideration of why the US is uniquely positioned as having some of the most dangerous and deplorable prisons in the world. No real introspection surrounding the real purpose of inmate torture and abuse, or how it facilitates the profiteering off of inmate labor.

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        Well it’s simple. The US just didn’t want to give slavery away, because then they’d have had no production capabilities to compete on international markets.

        So that’s why the US has the highest % of prisoners in the world. US prison population is similar size as China’s prison population and there’s 4x as many people in China.

        1.7 million prisoners. That’s like 1/100 adults.

        And once you go in, even for a small crime, your probably just end up doing worse shit inside. The recidivism rate in the US is crazy.

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            it’s not tankie to have critiques of america

            it’s tankie to deny legitimate criticism of regimes whilst also leveling similar critique at simply “enemys of”, or doing a what-about-ism in order to redirect discussion away from said criticism

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              it’s tankie to deny legitimate criticism

              All this time, I thought “Tankies” supported military intervention by Communist states.

              Turns out any disagreement with a capitalist criticism qualifies.

              No wonder there are so many Tankies in here.

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        Voting for a candidate that can’t win is worse than not voting. Third-parties actively harmed the process and used resources that could have been spent preventing this bullshit.

        We live in a 2-party system. If you aren’t happy with the Dems, make that displeasure known in the primaries, then vote against the fascists in the general election no matter what. It’s not that fucking complicated.

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        I’ll blame both. Tossing away a vote on a guaranteed loser candidate is the exact same as stepping aside and allowing fascism free rein.

        People vote 3rd party to be able to smugly claim they voted while pretending to not be part of what caused the issue.

        I’ll say it clearly so it’s easier understood:

        WHERE YOU ASSUMED YOU WERE BEING ASKED TO VOTE DEMOCRAT- YOU WERE BEING ASKED TO VOTE AGAINST FASCISM.

        I seriously don’t know how this was so difficult that over 4 million people couldn’t figure it out

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      I don’t agree with that strategy either, but she didn’t carry enough votes to have made the difference anyway…

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      According to the electoral college, every state either voted 100% for trump or harris. So no one voted for Jil Stein. And if you’re in a red state, NO ONE VOTED FOR HARRIS EITHER, and vice versa. Stop purposely being stupid of this fact.

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      Yeah, to al the assholes who decided not to vote for a progressive

      We could’ve had West abolish prisons

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        Fucking hilarious! Hey, real quick, what’s West been up to since November?

        Remember when we tried to tell you that he and all the rest of the party dividers would disappear post-election?

        Yeah. Maybe you’ll listen next time. That dude didn’t give a shit. He’s paid to split the vote and that’s what he does.

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            Yeah, the difference is, none of us that were voting for her ever claimed or believed that she was going to change the world-

            -instead, we just thought she’d play spoiler to the one person that would bring us fascism.

            Those 3rd party clowns were supposed to usher in a new world of perfection and bliss according to all the kids crying about things like…. “aBoLiSh pRiSoNs!” LMAO!

            -Instead, all they did was play spoiler to the one person that could have stopped fascism….

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    Seems like a feature of American prisons. Never see articles about European prisons having problems with rape.

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      now now it is illegal to say that if you’re talking about trump, but NOT illegal to say “with a mortar launcher” because that’s its own sentence; it’s an incomplete sentence that had absolutely nothing to do with what was said before that, so perfectly fine, perfectly legal.

      still illegal to wish death on trump (as president) though, but technically legal to say “we have a group that meets fridays under the brooklyn bridge, we sing sabrina carpenter karaokes after meetings, and the password is ‘sic semper tyrannis’”.

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    Since rape is the only way most of them can get laid, and they’re all about to go to prison within the next few years….

    This tracks.

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    In a memo obtained by the non-profit news outlet Prism, DoJ official Tammie M. Gregg told prison auditors across the nation to “immediately pause” all “compliance determinations” for key safety rules concerning LGBTQI+ inmates, and advise prisons to “disregard” them.

    Holy shit, Tammie M Gregg was former director of the National Prison Project for the ACLU. Goddamn.

    Tammie M. Gregg was the Deputy Director for the ACLU’s National Prison Project. Tammie also led the ACLU’s Stop Solitary campaign. Tammie came to NPP from a long and distinguished career with the U.S. Department of Justice and other federal agencies. After beginning her career with law firms in Minneapolis and Washington, in 2000 she joined DOJ as a trial attorney in the Civil Rights Division. From 2003 to 2011 she was a senior attorney in the Special Litigation Section, where she worked on cases involving prisons, jails, and policing. She rose to the level of Principal Deputy Chief of the Section, where she provided day-to-day supervision to a staff of over 70 people.

    What the actual goddamned fuck

    15th National Indian Nations Conference - Opening Remarks - Tammie Gregg

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    “Americans allow Trump DoJ to immediately stop enforcing prison rape protections for trans and intersex people”

    Fixed

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      They’ll have another No Kings march in a few months. That should do it.

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        What do you suggest I, and American, do? I’m part of local antifascist and socialist organizations. I help support those most affected by the gestapo. I protest (and yes, I attended No Kings) and frequently write my local officials and representatives. Am I supposed to rise up in revolution? With what organization? How do we have any possible chance of defeating the US military, much less the Christian right who own almost all the weapons?

        Genuinely, what else do I do. I feel like I’m doing everything I physically can to resist short of throwing my life away in what will be deemed a “terrorist attack” the next day, and yet constantly see people derisively commenting on the uselessness of American opposition short of a hopeless violent revolution. What would you have me do? Not protest? It’s one of the few ways that most citizens can resist, and the administration clearly fucking hates it.

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          Convince other people. You’re doing the right things but not enough of you are. You need more people in the cause.

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        Easy to talk shit while sitting in another country. These same types of monsters are working to take Canada as well. If they do, I’ll make sure to post a snarky lil comment about it while you’re struggling.

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          This is my favorite kind of MAGA-level defensive bullshit comment.

          We tell you repeatedly what is going to happen if you keep letting your kid run around playing with matches and are met with literal decades of belligerent, shitty “mind your own business! USA! USA!” responses- and now that your house is ablaze and we’re telling you to PUT IT THE FUCK OUT, your very smart and good response is “lol shut up, the fire is going to spread to your house too.”

          People like you are why the US is fucked.

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            I’m about the furthest from MAGA as you can get. But if lumping me together with them makes it easier for you, then go ahead i guess. It’s really difficult to entertain more than one point of view at a time, after all…

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        You mean the cute little parade, right?

        Only if the weather’s nice. And if they get all their permits beforehand.

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          I’ve been told asking anything more from people is too much because they have families and jobs. I get the feeling they’re not looking further ahead to where the fascism and blatant disregard for human rights affects them. Every day it creeps closer.

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            Right, because no one in history who ever put themselves at risk had a job, family, dreams, hopes, or anything to lose. Americans’ heroes, in their eyes, were all just superhuman Disney characters who never really were in danger of losing anything and whose victory was guaranteed.

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              That is unironically half the problem. We have a totally mythologized view of our own history that has made us damn near incapable of repeating it

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          I am pretty sure you mean that we exist because of the ruling class. The American Revolution wasn’t really a popular uprising. It was a bunch of wealthy people seizing power through propaganda and terrorism.

          There was never the “people” as you put it. It was a country by the rich for the rich with a nice helping of liberal propaganda the placate the masses.