My entire life I’ve been hearing that America is done, we’re finished like the end of the Roman Empire. This past year has been the first time since maybe 1953 that America reversed its decline and we are going to keep stacking wins at a faster and faster rate.

the year we chose to lose the Korean War. Truman fired/demoted Douglas MacArthur (in 1951) after he suggested dropping nukes to win the war.

Qoute tweto

would a declining power do THIS?!"

gets in a pointless disastrous war of choice due to ego of dying senile ruler

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    I unironically hope that Trump somehow starts a Greenland invasion because the United States breaking up NATO would be the funniest fucking thing in the last hundred years.

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    Fuck me, they want to be the Roman Empire so bad.

    Yeah bro go be an empire. Go spread yourself thin and die just like every other empire before you.

    What a dead end ideology. 2000 years of this shit not working and people still think it’s a viable path for a society.

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      astronaut-1 always have been since 1776

      See all the neoclassical architecture and Roman symbolism like the Phrygian cap and fasces in the seal of the United States Senate on Capitol Hill

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    “expansionist rising power” - you mean failed state.

    “bring all our friends with us” - there’s Israel, the other fascist state. Other than them, there’s no one left.

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    We’re in our fading fast era

    We’re gonna be so collapsed and paleopilled its gonna be insane.

    Our own military is going to turn and cannibalize us into balkanized fascists mini-USes warring for the ruins.

    Are you ready, comrades?

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    taking all our friends with us

    explicitly telling Europe they’re on their own, threatening military aggression against the Danes

    I wonder who this person thinks our friends are. Also people thought they had entered a renewed period of prosperity after the crisis of the third century had passed. The decline nonetheless came swiftly in a historical sense. Maybe California has a 1000 years of calling themselves the United States left before they fall to the Mesoamerican conquests though

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    This past year has been the first time since maybe 1953 that America reversed its decline

    I’m sure it’s no coincidence that they picked the year before the Brown v Board of Education ruling

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      The map painting games and their consequences have been disastrous for the human race

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    I genuinely do not believe that we could take Greenland, even if the only thing Denmark has for us is strong words. Blowing things up overseas is an entirely different thing from establishing and maintaining a permanent imperial presence, which is itself entirely different to the status quo of letting dollar hegemony do that for us. The special forces of the US is a bunch of jackbooted thugs who are good at murder and kidnapping, which is why they were able to get Maduro, but that won’t help them take control of Greenland from a presumably overwhelmingly hostile population. It would be like the Winter War, only extremely dumb.

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      The population of Greenland is only about 50k. The US has murdered an order of magnitude more people in the Iraq war alone. I believe they could easily commit a genocide there to take it, if they are depraved enough.

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      Greenland doesn’t have a big enough population to stop the USA from seizing it. They would no doubt inflict extremely disproportionate losses if they chose to fight back, but 50k people are not stopping the US military, more’s the pity.

      Edit: also Finland lost the winter war.

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      There’s only 50k people living on Greenland, so there’s not enough to do some massive attrition-style thing. Or thats the popular notion here anyway, but I’ve never been a guerrilla and nothing is set in stone. Maybe there’s an inuit Ho Chi Minh out there who will revolutionize warfare for a modern age.

      I do agree Greenland will be more cumbersome to take than most users here seem to think. It’s big and cold and logistics are a thing. In practicality I think that would result in some tier 1 operators freezing to death, some grunts murdering a polar bear in self defense and then freezing to death and us getting a few good memes out of it.

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        Wouldn’t heat detecting equipment be perfect for finding freedom fighters hidden in all that snow? There also isn’t the protective canopy the NVA and VC had in Vietnam

        Regardless I do hope for the troops to turn into Popsicles and polar bear chow

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          There’s probably ways to mask yourself, but yeah. I don’t really think insurgency would work.
          There will definitely be popsicles. People who don’t interact with cold often underestimate it. They do dumb stuff, fall in a ravine and die. Then again I’m not a US army vet so what do I know?

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        Granted, the US military can defeat Greenland’s population, but then what? What happens when we start trying to charge greenlanders taxes? When we try to install a government that the people overwhelmingly reject? Do we just turn up the oppression infinitely until they comply? Treat Greenland like the Israelis treat Gaza? I don’t think we have the state capacity or political will to do that, and in any event such a project would require cross party and inter-generational coordination that just feels impossible in the current moment.