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Trump has said that the United States shouldn’t have midterm elections this year because midterm voters often vote against the president’s party. Democratic congressional leaders have said they expect Trump to disrupt and dispute the midterms.
“It’s some deep psychological thing, but when you win the presidency, you don’t win the midterms,” Trump told Reuters in a recent interview. He then boasted that his presidency had accomplished so much that “when you think about it, we shouldn’t even have an election.”
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) told the Associated Press that Democrats are concerned that Trump will try to prevent open and fair midterm elections.
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Gosh, if only we’d known what he was like before all this happened.
Jeez. Forget going mask-off. This asshole just did the equivalent of walking in the room naked.
It’s like that airplane interview when Lindsay Graham is like “we gotta help the people of venuezala”, then Trump goes straight back to rambling about oil when Lindsay is trying to smooth trumps deranged babbling over.
He’s a terrible liar, has no idea how to cover things properly.
No one’s ever held him accountable, why should he get better if it’s been working the whole time?
Democrats are concerned. Ahh yes, just concerned. The silence from Dems has been disgusting
Democrats love having trump. They can lower thier standards lower then ever and they feel the voters will be forced to vote for them. Being forced to vote for someone sound like democracy to you?
Normally I would link electoral reform videos, but that time has passed.
This is why I’m rooting for revolution
Don’t worry, Democrat leadership is furiously working on how they could support the fascists.
But but but they’ll ban insider trading for members if Congress any day now…they promised!
He already said before that if the Republicans lose the mid terms, and they would, they will, he would be jailed
He’s right
And he will be.
Much as I’d love for that to happen, assuming there are free and fair elections at all: I have a feeling the first words out of the Democratic leadership after winning will be “it’s time for healing and to move forward” (or words to that effect)
Chuck Schummer had already basically bent over for them multiple times.
They’d need a two thirds majority in the senate to convict him after impeachment.
No chance. Repub seats are gerrymandered to shit, and while he’s unpopular he’s still more popular than dems in quite a lot of those seats
All of this is one big convoluted effort to stay out of jail while inflicting as much fear and pain as possible.
Some people escaped dictatorships… only to end up here… 🫠
So many colored people voted for this orange turd, it’s fucking maddening.
Same, for every woman that voted for this child rapist deserves their heads examined.
People vote for a well known rapist and then are surprised when their country gets fucked.
I’m sure trump is going to call for the mid-terms elections to be cancelled. We’ll still have them, but it will give cover for gerrymandered red-states to reduce their efforts to make voting available and visible to their citizen.
If the elections go south for Republicans, I fully expect Mike Johnson to play games with allowing Democrats to be sworn in and seated in Congress. We really need to be preparing for both of these scenarios.
He will declare that Dems cheated everywhere they win, and if the House tries anything, he will declare they are traitors and declare state of emergency claiming absolute power (or whatever other made up shit).
Time to count who sides with whom in the military…
The military has already taken Trump’s side, and are gladly following his illegal orders to murder Venezuelan fishermen and kidnap their president.
it will give cover for gerrymandered red-states to reduce their efforts to make voting available and visible to their citizen.
I think you’re absolutely right, as it draws near we will get a steadily increasing narrative how elections are rigged, there’s massive corruption in voting systems (the paper is chinese!) and many other distracting nonsense claims.
But what they have overreached on over and over again is they are broadly very stupid people, and they can’t grasp the scale of this country and the people. I’m sure there will be election shenanigans but I doubt it will be enough to turn the tide. If they try to cancel any elections outright, while people are this tense and ready to riot, there will be widescale violence. Which the administration may want, but no town mayors or state governors want. The states still hold the cards here.
Yesterday he joked about it. Today he says it. Tomorrow he does it.
He wasn’t joking.
I vote we throw Shitler, the turd Reich and every politician who takes money from Israel into a woodchipper and start over
“Trump has said that the United States shouldn’t have midterm elections this year because midterm voters often vote against the president’s party.”
Yeah, that’s why it’s called VOTING.
but 90 million didn’t vote at all.
So the reason he’s come up with is literally just he thinks he’ll lose?
That’s a very good reason for there to be an election, Donny
“Democracy” is too close to “Democrat” in his pee brain and kinda short-circuits.
Correct. He conflates political asylum with mental asylum. He’s unbelievably unfathomably dumb.
He also defunded transgenic experiments on mice because he thought the mice were getting gender reassignment surgery
If someone tried to be stupid, they couldn’t be a dumb as Donald Trump
I’ve always seen it written as “pea-brain,” but I like this a lot more. I’m gonna be the change I wanna see in the world!
Pee brain.
I’m not sure that’s even a typo so i’m leaving it.
No way. The dem votera will just find another distraction/ excuse to sit it out and he’ll get his third term. Calling it now.
DeM bAd
He’ll get his third term in the midterm election?
If they sit it out again, whos gonna stop him?
By definition, midterm elections are not Presidential elections. Trump’s third term, if he had one, would start in 2029 after an election in 2028.
If the voters dont help the opposition make gains and the republicans (read: trump) retain control of congress and the senate, whats to stop him/ them from changing the rules and locking him in come 2028? Seriously? You people dont see the importance of this midterm vote in the longer tern, and want to argue about definitions? He even said he’d do it. Remind you of any previous elections?
You didn’t make your thoughts at all clear in previous comments.
Yeah, we really really need the Democratic Party to do better.
The US shouldn’t have a convicted felon in the oval, but here we are.
Well, more than half of america voted for this, or allowed it to happen, so…
You are wrong. ~23% of Americans voted for Trump. The problem is that a shit ton of people sat out.
Correct. Did i misspell ‘or allowed it to happen’?
If they didn’t want it they would have voted.
You just repeated what they said.
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Those people can either be classified as “don’t exist” because they actively wiped out their own influence, or “as bad as the Republicans”, because they were comfortable allowing it to happen, but they certainly CAN’T be classified as “magic absolution of the American public as a whole for this series of events.”
You knew they would not vote for only I am not the other guy, yet you jamned a status quo politician and platform down their throats. Not being popular, trying not to be popular. NOT offering any real reform, not calling out interests cheating us and promising to fix things.
You knew that was not enough, and or america did not know what republicans are, yet you shouted down calls for a new deal, deferred to ivy league party leaders.
So the fault lies with you, first and foremost, I bring it up because those same tools of donors still control the opposition, for perhaps our last chance to take the country back, in 2028, in the succession fight, before elections are fixed beyond recovery. And it already will be fixed your establishment types cannot take it back, and if they did would do nothing and hand it right back.
I hate defending non-voters, but a large number of people are unable to vote or aren’t well informed enough to know what’s going on. In the former camp, there are lots of people who can’t get to the polls because voting day isn’t a holiday or because there aren’t enough polling locations in their area, or because they are sick, etc. etc. Most of the time politicians actively work to make it harder to vote.
Of course you can feel however you’d like about the latter camp, but being uninformed is also being encouraged. People are often undereducated. Some people just don’t consume news. I’d be willing to bet there are some people who didn’t know an election was going on and some who couldn’t name the president.
Fuck off. That’s not a fucking excuse at this point. A third of the population allowed this to happen. The end.
This is the exact sort of response I expected.
My point here is that there is a lot of class struggle that actively works to prevent individuals from voting. Putting the blame just on those people misses the mark and will not fix things.
Take one example. Some people get to make a choice. Take time off of work, stand in line for literal hours, and try to vote or feed their family today. Is the solution to blame the individual or to address how fucked up the system is that prevents them from voting?
Yes, there are idiots who could have voted, but didn’t. They deserve derision. But, if we don’t identify that voter suppression is real, if we place the responsibility on people entirely, we play directly into the hands of those who don’t want people voting.
If there is an overhauled American democracy someday, it will be important to mandate vacations for workers during the voting window. That, among other measures, will be needed to safeguard the future from fascism.
True, true… But you also can’t classify them as voting for trump.
Maybe it the comment should say said, “more than half of America didn’t vote against this”.
I don’t understand. Do you people not understand the words “or” and “allow”? Like, what the fuck.
I am OP and am stunned that, as you’ve correctly stated, that this is what it boils down to. Fuck em. People are stupid. On BOTH sides of the political argument. One side is determined to burn it all to ashes for personal gain while the other side refuses to even try to use the tools afforded to them as constitutional rights to stop them, until things are absolutely to their liking. Nothing is ever their fault, and only their world view is valid. No other explanation matters as long as they get to puff their virtue. And score internet points.
Wtf. Theres a moron in charge actively destroying their civil rights and the voters sit it out because of some issue du jour caught their eye and ‘nobody could be that stupid to vote for him a second time’. Then blame the politicians for a choice they chose to make. Suure… The funders, lobbyists, complicit media, broken system and corrupt politicians twisted their arm and gave them… Gasp… No choice! Im stupid dissapointed to have to share air with these dolts. They deserve every one of the next three years.
Seriously, both groups are narcissistic assholes. Im starting to see trump everywhere in this debate. The rest of us are fucked.
No American voted to have their elections dismantled
BS. Anyone that voted for Trump in 2024 voted to have our elections dismantled. He was open about his intentions.
“Get out and vote! Just this time. You won’t have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It’ll be fixed, it’ll be fine, you won’t have to vote anymore.” - Donald Trump, July 26th, 2024
Tbf, his opponent happened to have a weird laugh!
/s
And lacked a penis how could she run the country. Their vwey emotional.
And she reservedly supported some bad policies that Trump supported whole-heartedly! They had to let Trump win to send a message!
‘My hands were tied! I know trump bad, but the options were not perfect! Both sides are funded by the same capitalist interests! She even said ‘no deviation’! The dems owed me as a voter, to field a candidate that matches my ideal of what a candidate should be! Adulting is hard!’
He even said he would do this during the campaign. They absolutely voted for this and they deserve what they get.
Everyone single fuckhead looser that voted red voted for this. For fucks sake Trump even said at a rally for “Christian” votes if they would vote for him this time it would be the last time they had to vote.
YES THEY DID. THAT IS WHAT THE GODDAMN WORD “VOTE” MEANS. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
All caps is cruise control for cool.
No one who let this happen can say they didn’t have the choice to at least know about it and dismiss it
Well, its in the history books now: more than half of them thought otherwise. I suppose you’re right in that apparently the other group dont love their country enough to get off their privileged asses to exercise their right to vote and therefore can’t be considered ‘american’ enuff for you. Oh well.
Yes, but voting for the other candidate wouldn’t have instantly solved all problems now and forever, so you might as well just let the blatant fascist win.
US shouldn’t have a president
Let AIPAC control America directly instead of via a puppet president and Congress.
I really don’t give a fuck what this asshole wants.
His very existence in that office is illegal and immoral.
I dunno, Biden performed better than expected and he’s a sleepy old guy. Is trump saying he’s no better than a sleepy old guy?
I mean he sleeps all the time and also on camera.
Better than expected? You expected less than 40 pc approval for 3 years, then forcing an unwinnable candidate and strategy for make or break 24 elections?
Just, wow. No wonder “we” lost. You are as delusional as republicans clearly nothing will free you from your influencers leading you astray.
Popular reform is the only path out of the abyss, and it is so much more of a trecherous path now than 2024.
I meant to say better than statistically expected, but thanks for the eval.
Hey “we just gotta vote harder” Americans, what you gonna do when they take voting away?
I am probably part of the 0.001% of people who actually had interest in and read exit polling from 2024, because it contains data that makes a lot of people very uncomfortable, particularly on the left who have blamed repeated losses on voter turnout.
The problem is not turnout, the problem in American democracy is the subversion of the broadest swath of people, the tuned-out, overworked, misinformed liberal majority in America.
The last several federal elections have had the highest voter turnout in American history.
What they didn’t have though was people who had any involvement in the issues or understanding how the political system works, and apparently no attention spans at all. Many millions of the people who voted for Trump were people who voted for Obama or supported Bernie Sanders, and that should spark a massive conversation about leftist/democrat messaging, but is largely glossed over. And a massive swath of the voting was literally hinged on the price of eggs at the time, and the well-known effect of voters making their decisions based on current economics and the party currently in power.
A lot of this came from forces foreign and domestic doing everything they can to salt the discourse, poison all the wells and boost all the weirdest, worst nonsense on both sides so that average people who only get their news and information from two hours of facebook or twitter scrolling every week had no idea what was going on.
So yes, “just vote harder” didn’t and won’t work going forward. Our chance at turning this around though is that people right now are a LOT more unhappy with our politics than they were in 2024, everyone in 2024 were far more comfortable and didn’t actually believe the stories about Trump being a fascist dictator, and tuned out his previous administration because attention spans broadly are melted. Right now if elections were held, or canceled, Trump will get wiped out one way or another.
The GOP’s only hope of retaining power is literally a fascist takeover, they know it, they’re just too dumb broadly to pull it off so I have a good feeling midterms are going to be a violent spank in the ass, and Trump will likely not finish his term. This country has actually survived many similar periods. If enough people can get their brains disengaged from the slop then we have a chance.
Protest peacefully and grumble while more rights are stripped. I have zero faith in Americans anymore. They wont do what needs to be done.
how long does it take you to get to your country’s capitol city? I can’t find an exact number for the US but I estimate less than 25% of Americans live within a one day drive to our capitol. meaning it is a significant investment for most of the country, one that the median household can’t afford.
And DC is designed to quell demonstrations, protests, and absolutely riots. It’s one of the few planned cities in America, and they’ve thought every avenue through in terms of barriers and crowd control. The National Guard has plans upon plans.
The most serious threat to power in this country would be the types of activities that GOT us this country, and they’ve long known that.
I don’t want to discourage anyone but they’d have little problem turning machine guns on us all, and what would happen? The rest of America would see it on the news and social media, and go “oh God,” and then cook dinner and go to work the next day, in shock no doubt, but… well we have had national shocks before and life kept going.
I don’t see a way through unless the military itself were to reject the authority at the top and turn on them.
Rioters wouldn’t get anywhere near the Capitol ever. Thatmuch has been proven!
I live in Canada. It would take me 3 days.
Anyway you dont have to go to the capital to put up resistance. This isnt 18th century France.
I’ll give you an example. My country was practically shut down for a week by a handful of people because they organized and blocked the railroads. Canada is highly dependant on its rail freight.
Not saying that works in the US. Just that there are ways if resisting that dont involve maching with some signs in the street. Your government doesnt care. Protests wont work.
Its alot shorter if you plan to make it a one way trip.
Yeah, American citizens storming and taking control of government buildings is impossible!
Oh wait, no it fucking isn’t, and we absolutely know this because MAGA fucking did it. The number of people who are ANTI Trump, if the polls are to be believed, are TWICE AS MANY as pro Trump. So why do you people keep claiming that doing nothing is the only fucking option? Are you a psy op? Are you secretly pro Trump and trying to crush dissent? What is your game here exactly? Because I simply refuse to believe that someone can be this obtuse.
“We’ve tried nothing and are out of options”
“Its okay, when the primaries come we are gonna really vote hard and get democrats that will FIX THIS!!!
I’m gonna vote for and support the establishment guy though.”
Huh it’s almost like the President and therefore the military he’s in charge of were supporting that instead of trying to shut it down.
Not everyone who has a different opinion is trying to run a psychological endgame, or is obtuse.
Any excuse to absolve yourselves from action.
You asked why Americans won’t do anything and I answered. I’m not a psyop, I’m just a dude trying to feed my family and keep the roof over our heads. you want me go erect a guillotine in DC? cool let me go get shot or thrown in prison while my family starves. I’m not saying nothing can be done, I’m just not the right person to say what it is that we can do.
No, they wont. And the rest of the world suffers for it. The American way.
Walk me through your plan to depose the American government in less than a year. Don’t forget that if you fail or are caught planning they don’t just kill you, they kill you by injecting you with poison that feels like being set on fire from the inside while you suffocate, take everything you or your family possess leaving your survivors homeless and destitute, shoot your dog and probably a couple of family members too.
Like, if you’ve lost all faith we’ll “do what needs to be done”… What needs to be done?
You don’t need to storm the capitol, just sit on your asses for a week. Nation wide strike will get gears moving pretty fast as production, transport, maintenance and everything shuts down. Get your community together, share food, have strong social bond with strikers so that those in need get help and so on.
One saturday afternoon doesn’t cut it, but it doesn’t take that long either until it starts to really affect everything in society, mainly company profits which seems to be the driving force for anything political around there. It’s not going to be easy, it’d been far easier to go an vote against for current situation, but that train is long gone and it’s not going to get any easier in the future.
This.
Join or form mutual aid networks in your local community, share what resources are required to keep on sustainable living while striking, be it food, transport, medicine, housing. Start with your neighbours, or if not viable (due to different opinions on direct action etc.) seek up groups of your peers.
Grind the country to a halt. To you who claim there are no options available: this is an action most people can take if you are willing to give up on luxuries for an uknown period of time - and share what resources you have to help those that are unable to otherwise.
The alternative? An increasing fascist dictatorship state that your kids will have to grow up in, not “the land of the free” you so proudly keep on repeating.
Stay free.
Alright. How do I make that happen? I’m assuming since you’re answering so confidently that you actually have an answer and have done something like this before.
You certainly couldn’t just be another armchair revolutionary who handwaved the entire “plan a nationwide general strike and risk execution for insurrection” based purely on what you think sounds straightforward, right?Most revolutions have outside partisans who come and lend a hand. Why don’t you come over and do that?
Maybe it’s a bit trickier to organize hundreds of millions of people to have at least passive support for something and interrupt the social momentum of hundreds of years of uninterrupted peaceful transfer of power than can be accomplished in less than a year and being shitty towards the people who are upset and don’t know what to do is just … Being shitty.
I have been on strike, I’m a active participant on local community and have been a part of local policy changes. But as I live in a civilized nation I have the leverage of previous generations who did organize and build foundations for strong communities so I didn’t have to start from nothing.
I mentioned it would not be easy as the easy way was voting for Harris. But with that mindset of yours I suppose there’s nothing anyone can do and the game is lost already.
Organization in todays information world is relatively easy. Spreading information and communication with different groups is a very much solved problem. Getting people on board should not be a problem either at least based on what I can see from the news, a lot of people are fed up on the current status and a lot of people are already getting organized. It’s small steps all the way. You get handful of people to join the movement and each of them do the same and not before long your pyramid has quite a lot of people and getting more to join gets easier on every step.
And for me personally, I’m not coming to the US. I’ll stay at home and continue to do my part on my community.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, I’m saying that the people who are saying that they’ve lost all faith in Americans because we haven’t full actualized a revolution in less than a year are being shitty for no good reason. Armchair revolutionaries who think that it should be done now because it’s supposed to be as simple as “organize, kick them out, make a new government and they all just say shucks while we arrest them”.
As you said, people are getting organized. But to some people outside the US, that’s not enough and we should be done deposing the government by now. That’s what I’m saying is unreasonable.
Based on the finish dude in your icon and finish instance name, I’m assuming you’re in Finland.
Organization takes longer here than it would there based purely on population. I’m in an average sized state. Our population is twice that of Finland. The state is about the same size as the country.
Even if we were all on board even for a strike, it’s still gonna take longer than so many people seem to expect us to be able to do it in.
Revolution. You people dicked around so long that it’s now more dangerous. But it’s probably your only way out. You don’t get sympathy points from me for waiting too long. Do something or face criticism from the rest of the world. Simple as that.
Yes, that’s what I’m asking for the details of how you do it. I don’t know how to do a revolution. My assumption is that the people who confidently and definitely know that we’re doing it wrong must have some idea how to do it right.
So again, how do I overthrow the US government?
You people dicked around so long
“So long”? What’s your threshold for a reasonable timeline for a revolution to start? he hasn’t even been in office a full year.
US is a big country. Surely there are people who know what to do. Find them, support them. You don’t have to be the leader.
Do I look under rocks for revolutionary leaders?
No, you use this crazy new underground networking system called the internet. Theres discords for like every niche ass party thats trying to do activism now. Its easy to even find MAGA Communists near you if you look for it, and if you can do that I’m pretty sure you can find anything to put yourself behind if you actually take the time and effort to do it.
Also, this is his second term of presidency. Also? If you think the issue is just that a democrat isn’t in office then you don’t actually understand the issue with the US.
The US is controlled by capitalist oligarchs, your Elite. It has been since before I was even born. When I say your people should have revolted long ago? I’m talking about decades ago. Long before Trump.
They already did in '24.
Write a strongly worded letter.
Americans, what you gonna do when they take voting away?
nothing. Fox will tell them elections are not needed.
If magas don’t go to vote it’s a good thing, no?
