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We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
You don’t have to watch the videos.
You’re going to watch a man getting killed. That’s not good for your mental health. You can just take a pass here and not watch. Your watching the video is probably not going to help in any way, and it might hurt you. So, just think about your own needs before you traumatize yourself for no reason.
Don’t look away, thats what they want, its also a sleight to the life of this man to not bear witness.
Watch, be enraged, then engage.
It will hurt your metal health way more to not watch and keep pretending everything is ok.
Don’t look directly into the trauma-causing footage. That’s what they want. It’s no slight to someone’s life not to personally watch them die. What matters isn’t that you personally watch their death from as many angles as you can. What matters is that you tell the truth about what happened. You can do that without obsessing over watching someone die. In fact, if you think that watching someone die is the important thing, you’re dishonouring them by focusing on the wrong thing.
It’s a fair warning. But it also shows that there was no restraint. They murdered him. There was no struggle. He was just letting a woman go free. There was no threat on ICE. We all see it.
But a fair warning for those who haven’t seen something like that before.
Yes, and I got that information from you, without having to watch the video myself.
Correct. But I could be full of shit.
It’s also possible that you saw doctored footage. It’s possible that you’re mentally disturbed and don’t realize it and that what you think you saw isn’t actually what your eyes told you they were seeing. You could be a figment of my imagination. You could be an LLM bot. I could be an LLM bot. You could be trapped in the matrix.
Lots of things are possible. Most things are improbable. You gain essentially nothing by watching a snuff film for yourself to agree with the millions of other people who have also all watched it and all agree that they saw what they saw.
Interesting take on personal trauma. What’s “good”, “bad”, or even “neutral” for mental health is very individualistic. A warning is warranted, but I’d be wary of telling people it’s “not good” to watch it. Maybe not for you, but you are you’re own person
Plenty of adults here who can make that call themselves (proper warning is always welcomed/needed)
Personally, I don’t choose the route of burying my head in the sand so I can savor blissful ignorance. I watch people die regularly IRL and am comfortable with the notion… but what’s wrong is wrong and sometimes people need to understand the reality. If they ain’t up to it, than a proper NSFL warning is good enough to warn them
People ain’t all children, and I respect what you’re trying to say… but if I got executed like that man; I’d want everyone (who was able) to see it for themselves. Especially in an age where false narratives and soft details are the norm
I prefer to see the horror with my own eyes and make my own judgements. I’ve accidentally seen far too much as is, and it only gave me strength after healing
A warning’s good enough, no need to patronize
Everyone should watch the video. Ignorance is not, in fact, bliss. That man was murdered by our government because he dared to protect his fellow citizens. No one can appreciate how egregious that killing was until they see it in living color.
Hiding from the truth because the truth is hard, is no way to live. We should all know what it happening. It will effect us all sooner than we think.
It’s not ignorance to spare yourself the trauma of watching someone die. You can know what happened without having to watch it yourself.
“I don’t want, and shouldn’t have, to do/see something difficult, because of the negative implications it may have on me personally.” I think that logic is bunk.
It is cover for avoiding the hard realities of life and the world around us. It is cover be being a coward. We should confront the difficult moments, not hide from them because they will make us feel complicated emotions that we will need to process. That attitude is exactly how we ended up here a country and it should be called out for what it is - fear and weakness. Now is not a time for either, unless we want this situation to get worse.
You don’t need to personally witness all the brutalities of life to stay informed. Do you watch all the Internet’s child porn just to be aware it’s out there, and to suffer the consequences of that? Or is it only violence porn that you think is essential viewing?
I mean in this case there is a benefit to seeing exactly what happened and how it happened to confidently shield yourself from propaganda. The video isn’t graphic per say (no blood or gore), and a single viewing instantly demolishes the fox news narrative
Now like the charlie kirk video is senseless, and I 100% agree with you there, no point to viewing it if you don’t want to.
I mean in this case there is a benefit to seeing exactly what happened
Why?
to confidently shield yourself from propaganda
Unless you were an idiot who actually believed the lies the Trump admin tells, your shield is already up and active. If the Trump admin said that the sky was blue, I’d assume it was night. That was true months ago, nothing they’ve done or said recently has changed it.
There’s no prize for being viewer number 1,000,000,000 of the death. You’re not going to spot something that the previous 999,999,999 people all missed. You’re not going to discover that the vast majority of those nearly 1 billion other viewers were lying and it was actually Trump telling the truth. All you’re going to do is watch someone die, and discover that what everybody other than Trump toadies said is correct.
No, we NEED to be traumatized by this. We need to feel the visceral outrage that it takes to absolutely demand justice, OR ELSE! and mean it.
If you want to get traumatized, you do you.
I wouldn’t push your own idea of personal trauma onto others. Probs not healthy for anyone
Can Tetris help?
Allegedly. Just play it in your head
Did you personally watch the video before coming to that assessment?
Of course not, I’m not going to traumatize myself unnecessarily.
Who would? But it’s real and in our face. Learning how to process is healthy, avoidance is not
You don’t need to “learn to process” to know the truth. You don’t have to personally witness every horrible thing that’s happening.
Knowing and understanding are not equal, just as instruction and guidance aren’t. Processing knowledge helps to bring understanding my friend. I’m not saying you’re wrong; I’m saying not everyone does it like you, and that’s ok
Maybe you process faster; maybe you’re skimming the details to save personal harm. Maybe the way you do things isn’t a hard truth, but samely, doesn’t make your recommendations invalid. I just would personally change my wording from a place of “don’t do it”, to a place of “I wouldn’t, but that’s me”. Otherwise you risk depriving the wisdom of life from others, due to your own personal fears
Truly incredible that you’re proud of your ignorance, and blindly sharing your opinions about how people should be acting more moderately: https://lemmy.world/post/42098476/21740923
You’re an embarrassment to yourself.
Not wanting to traumatize myself doesn’t make me ignorant.
Thinking that the only way you can be informed is by traumatizing yourself is the truly ignorant position.
Not wanting to traumatize myself doesn’t make me ignorant.
I actually think it does. Police has been murdering people in US since forever and the only way to realize how bad it is is to actually watch the footage. Reading about it does not paint the whole picture. Seeing how Americans are reacting to the ICE killings makes me think most Americans are ignorant of the police violence in their country. They know police kills people but don’t realize cold blooded executions by law enforcement like that happen every day. They pretend it doesn’t happen and only react when specially extreme case forces them to watch to footage (like in George Floyd case).
I actually think it does.
You’re wrong.
the only way to realize how bad it is is to actually watch the footage
Really? That’s the only way?
Reading about it does not paint the whole picture
Neither does watching a video. The only way to get the whole picture is to go out and get killed yourself. In those seconds while you’re dying you’ll truly understand.
See how stupid that is?
Did you see George Floyd death footage?
You have every right not to watch the video. But opining about other people’s reaction to the video without watching it is unacceptable.
Take your safe-space mindset and opinions about media you haven’t consumed back to Tumblr, please.
But opining about other people’s reaction to the video without watching it is unacceptable.
Thinking that other people might be traumatized by watching someone get murdered is unacceptable? Walk me through your thinking here…
Watch the video.
It’s tough, because it’s literally a video of a murder.
But we all have to watch it.
3-4 Icicles at holding a man down and beating him, one of them lets off a single shot that instantly makes their victim go limp. Then 2-3 other icicles all draw and fire multiple shots into the body while the rest scatter.
Shit isn’t getting better and complying doesn’t work.
This is why I’m saying we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
People can downvote me all you want, but you know I’m right. It’s literally the only thing these actual monkey-brains understand: violence.
If there’s 4 of them beating and killing one person, there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back. We need to mix up our own chemical warfare agents.
there needs to be at least 10 of us with knives and aluminum bats hitting right back.
No, because that will make them open fire…
What will work is protesters in plated vests with rifles.
Every state is different. For Minnesota it’s illegal to open carry a rifle, and there’s no permit to open carry a rifle. But if you get a permit to carry a handgun, you’re now allowed to carry a rifle.
The threat of effective violence is more effective than the actual act of ineffective violence, even when the threat is just passively implied by the presence of rifles and plates.
It costs less than a grand to get kitted out just like an ICE agent, hell, most of them don’t even seem to carry rifles, but all the more reason for protesters.
The Black Panthers seem to understand what it’s gonna take to deter Miller’s stormtroopers. Superior firepower.
Protesters should assign disciplined guardians: Kitted out, and watching from rooftops and windows.
These terrorist cowards might come to understand the words “constitutional oversight” when they break RoE and are gravely punished from above in return.
Show up alone, you get arrested. Show up with 100 people, you get shot. We need to show up with 100,000+ people.
Organize! Join an organization! DSA, PSL, something anything!
What you do is break that 100k up into 100 separate 1000 person marches. That then also spreads out the Feds and makes it basically impossible for them to round everyone up.
Pretty sure they did have 100k+ people yesterday at least. Maybe not yet this early, but 100k people does not mean much when the organized violent thugs just wait until they can find people away from the large crowds and murder them on the street.
I see one person in this video. Imagine if there was 100,000.
There was. And then they left ICE intact, which then found a spot the next morning with maybe a dozen or people and did a murder.
maybe a dozen people
I think you’re missing my entire point.
What is it then? 100k+ people should exist 24/7 around the entire nation on each block?
we need to get even more violent in retaliation.
That’s how you lose.
That’s what they want.
Right now two white people getting killed by ICE in broad daylight with dozens of cameras on them is slowly but surely destroying the GOP. There’s nothing that shifts public opinion more than a clear narrative of “good guys” and “bad guys”. When one side is armed and the other side is unarmed, and the armed people are killing unarmed people, there are clear good guys and bad guys. The white house is doing everything they can to spin the Minneapolis victims as “terrorists”, but when they’re unarmed it’s a matter of seconds to disprove what they’re saying.
As soon as the anti-ICE protesters start getting armed and start shooting back, the story gets complicated again. It becomes much easier to claim the protesters are violent if they’re shooting back. It’s dead easy to claim an ICE goon feared for his life if someone shot at him.
“They’re shooting at ICE” gives Trump the excuse he needs to send in the military and start having guys in APCs start shooting heavy weapons into a crowd. It’s also much more likely the soldiers are going to obey if they’re getting shot at. If they’re sent in against unarmed protesters and ordered to mow them down, it’s very likely they’ll refuse that order. And, refusing that order would be a big step in the end of the Trump regime.
Not shooting back is the main thing that the Minneapolis protesters have done right so far. It’s also the most difficult thing to do.
But hey, it’s America. America thinks guns solve problems. So, go solve that problem Americanely, while the rest of the world just watches the US tear itself apart and shakes their heads.
What the fuck are you talking about?
People are currently not shooting back, and people are currently being murdered in the streets. Clearly it’s a plan that is working well so far /s.
You talk about a “good guy/bad guy” narrative, and then admit that the current government is painting the victims as terrorists. So why do you think your narrative is any stronger than the one that the president and many popular news media outlets are complicit in? Especially when you personally are telling people not to watch the objective footage.
The world is watching the US right now, and we are seeing innocent people die in the street, while people comment about how bad this will be for Trump in the next election and people need to get out there and vote while the Slavecatchers pull families from their homes. I’m feel like I’m losing my mind!
People are currently not shooting back, and people are currently being murdered in the streets
A small enough number that they can all be listed by name. You’re correct, it’s a plan that is working incredibly well. A handful of people have died, and those handful of deaths have resulted in protests by millions of people. The reason that those millions of people are willing to protest is that the people being killed are clearly blameless.
If someone died in a shootout with ICE, it’s much less likely that millions of people would turn out to protest their death. Thousands maybe, but not millions. For millions to show up you need a clear example of “good guys” and “bad guys”.
then admit that the current government is painting the victims as terrorists
Yes, the government is trying to create its own “good guys” and “bad guys” narrative because, as I said, it works. But, they are utterly failing in the attempt to paint these people as bad guys because they’re being killed while unarmed and not fighting back.
So why do you think your narrative is any stronger than the one that the president and many popular news media outlets are complicit in
Because “my” narrative is clearly supported by all the video evidence that is being collected by hundreds of people with their phones out. If people weren’t there with their phones out documenting things, then the Trump admin’s narrative would probably win. But, instead of guns, people are using cameras, and it’s working.
Especially when you personally are telling people not to watch the objective footage
I’m telling people that they don’t need to traumatize themselves by watching footage that literally millions, if not possibly billions of other people have already watched. Their additional eyeballs on that footage isn’t going to do anything.
The world is watching the US right now
Yes, and the world has sympathy with the protesters because the protesters are unarmed while the ICE goons are armed. If the protesters started shooting, the world would quickly lose sympathy with the protesters. Instead they’d just sigh and think “great, the Americans are trying to solve everything with guns again”.
I’m feel like I’m losing my mind!
It might be good for you to unplug and stop subjecting yourself to the constant news cycle then. Don’t watch all these videos, just take care of your own mental health.
A small enough number that they can all be listed by name. You’re correct, it’s a plan that is working incredibly well.
Some of you may die, but that is a risk that I am willing to take.
Because “my” narrative is clearly supported by all the video evidence that is being collected by hundreds of people with their phones out.
We have evidence of wrongdoing and crimes by the governments that spans years. If evidence was enough to topple this regime, we wouldn’t be here.
It might be good for you to unplug and stop subjecting yourself to the constant news cycle then. Don’t watch all these videos, just take care of your own mental health.
Kindly go fuck yourself you patronising git. I am mature enough to look after my mental health, and I choose not to turn away from the events that are unfolding. I do not need to be hooked into the 24h news cycle to see that things are dire, and ignoring them or telling others to ignore them is the kind of shit that lets dictators steal more power.
Other people who read the news are not idiots and do not need this thinking outlined for them, it does nobody besides feds trying to make bullshit arrests for terroristic threats any good to share these thoughts on public forums
Implying the feds aren’t running a troll farm to incite people.
I just don’t want our guys to get hurt.
Don’t make a stand in a blaze of glory. The goal should be to make sure nobody knows who did it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/m1xOMR7R4q8
The video
Grabbed this from a lower comment, should be attached to the top comment.
I watched it multiple times and they just executed that guy. They just unloaded the entire clip into the body. Fucking hell that’s just gruesome.
At some point for these highly insecure “warrior alpha” types: “stopping the threat” just turns into jacking off with excitement.
I’m trying really hard to see how this could be anything else than a straight up execution. It’s hard to see any way that dude could be threatening the life of anyone here. He’s shot on his knees with his hands down looking away from the shooter (granted the footage we have here it’s kind of hard to tell just cause there’s so many people). There’s footage of him talking to the agents before just holding his phone to record and then they start shoving him. There’s also 8 bajillion agents beating the shit out of him right before. The woman’s footage from the other side of this will show a ton if she was recording.
Anyways, I look forward to hearing how this heroic agent saved the lives of all his fellow warriors during this altercation. Hope the agent recovers from the assault safely and quickly in the hospital…
Edit: few things, someone pointed out the agent in the grey coat disarms the victim and runs away with his weapon before he’s killed which I did not see at first.
Also, second lady’s footage is now out and it doesn’t show anything different than a bunch of thugs beating the shit out of this guy and then killing him.
Her footage (NSFW)
From this it seems more obvious to me that they saw a gun on him (I think I hear the agents shout ‘gun’) and they panicked and shot. Lack of training and discipline. Just horrific.Why they unloaded the rest of the mag when he was clearly incapacitated I don’t know. Total lack of respect for human life.
This is outrageous, and there should be swift justice.
I’m about to watch the video, but just want to state my thoughts after reading the article:
Video shows several agents wrestling the man to the ground and shooting him multiple times
This is the only information the article states. Their passive language suggests to me the sequence of actions is unclear, but probably that while wrestling him, he was shot before being fully restrained
Now to watch the video and find out if the wording is propaganda
2 notes: 1) That shooting is so much worse than the wording would suggest
- I didn’t realize the article was in a feed format. Explains why it was only 1 sentence
The mag dumping was so egregious.
But we all have to watch it.
Repeating for emphasis. Official stories are already being posted that are blatantly not what happened. There will be some portion of the population that believes the lies they’re told. It’s powerful for your own sanity to be able to know with certainty that you’re being fed bullshit because you remember seeing it with your own eyes.
3-4 is a generous underestimate.
Here is the video link
Link?
I disagree about everyone having to watch it.
I am capable of believing you, others that have seen the footage, and the reports coming out about what’s happened here. Seeing the act in full detail isn’t going to strengthen my resolve against ICE, nor make me more empathetic to this man or his family.
This is all barbaric, and while I similarly don’t think it’s getting any better, I don’t have to watch a recording of the last moment of this man’s life to know he was murdered, just as you don’t have to go see his corpse in the morgue to know the same.
No.
You need the visceral emotional reaction.
That’s different than logically understanding the abstract concept a murder happened. That’s not new, but what happens in this video is new. It crosses the line in an inexplicable fashion and either enough people see it happen once in this video all at the same time, or we all wait to see it individually in person
With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need.
I don’t need to see a thing to have an emotional reaction to it. I am not a child lacking object permanence.
Being able to watch a dozen different angles of a person’s death in high definition isn’t necessary for everybody. Most murders have no footage, and empathy can still be experienced for them. Surely you also run the emotional gambit when you read of a school shooting, whether or not there is footage of the carnage, don’t you?
With respect, don’t tell me what I need based on what you need
You don’t understand any of this, but if you were polite and asked questions I would have explained it and you’d have walked away from this with more knowledge than you had now.
Think about who really lost in this exchange
Who really lost? You perceive this back and forth as something that can be won or lost? Both you and I are arguing semantics from behind screens, not out risking our life and limb. There are no winners here.
You do though, because one the authorities start spinning their lies, there will be an element of doubt in everyone who has not seen this video.
An element of doubt? I can think critically. Can you not? The default thought hasn’t been ‘trust the authories’ for quite a while now. Rather the opposite.
If you hear two conflicting stories, without witnessing for yourself, there will always be an element of doubt. I’m not saying trust the authoritys, and I don’t know where you got that from. I’m saying you shouldn’t blindly believe what anyone says.
I got it from the comment you wrote.
because one the authorities start spinning their lies
I haven’t suggested anything about blindly believing a singular source. My point is that a video source isn’t necessary for everyone.
im almost sure one of them shouted “gun…gun…” then they executed him 1 second later despite the fact that he was not reaching for it.
Let’s break this down more.
If we choose to believe he had a gun so what? You are legally allowed to carry a gun in this country. The presence of a gun is not a legal excuse to murder a person.
Even if he had a gun he was being actively held down by several members of ICE. I don’t see how he could have drawn a weapon in that position. Regardless once they started beating him while he was on the ground he had every right to use deadly force to defend himself.
So even if you believe what DHS has to say the video shows there is no scenario where the mere presence of a gun justifies their actions
I’m sure these guys keep spare guns just for these kinds of occasions.
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Watch the video again.
Tan beanie greenish coat guy pulls out a pistol and starts pistol whipping the guy.
Grey coat sees this, and nopes the fuck out.
Tan beanie stops pistol whipping him, readjusts his grip…
Then his hand is block in the video and a single shot rings out, causing everyone else to flea before shooting the body.
It really really looks like this guy just decides to escalate from pistol whipping a restrained and subdued man to shooting him in the head while multiple other people who didn’t know what was going on held the victim down.
This is just inexplicably fucked.
It wasn’t a pistol, it was a can of bear spray. Still horrible and not at all necessary, and no worse/better than a pistol imo. Just mentioning for clarification.
A valid question but more likely that they dropped a gun, on purpose or by incompetence, then they freaked and murdered the guy.
Fucking piece of shit fascist
Im almost sure one of them shouted “gun…gun…” then they executed him 1 second later although he was not even reaching for it.
Im just guessing what happened but I do not justify it. I hope the dnc vote to defund them completely this week
If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.
So if I can shoot rabbits… Then I can shoot fascists?
It’s your duty as a human. Think of it as pest control.
they executed this man. they beat him to the ground, pistol whipped him, and then shot him WHILE HE WAS PRONE AND LAYING DOWN.
Americans, for fucks sake, on the other site I’d be perma banned for suggesting what you know I’m going to suggest but you guys REALLY need to utilize that 2nd amendment you hold so dear. They are literally NOW executing you and to those that STILL believe “it won’t happen to me or my family” you’re wrong, it will and it currently is.
The only GOOD Nazi is a DEAD one.
The only GOOD Nazi is a DEAD one.
The Greatest Generation understood this at great cost, and after that bloody sacrifice our leaders quietly pardoned and installed the wretched and vile filth into influential positions anyway, sugarcoating their twisted ideology with a shiny star-spangled finish and telling us freedom had won the day.
Would our great grandfathers still have charged those beaches if they could see how “great” their country has become today?
(Edit) I think they would…
We disappoint their memory at our peril.
No 2a response. This requires organization by competent people with military training in coordination with state government. Where this is going is obvious now. Citizens need to keep on with nonviolent protests and hope to hell there are retired generals out there willing step up and plan and implement what’s needed.
Walz should be using the activated MN National Guard to arrest the ICE fucker who executed a MN resident and to cordon DHS personnel to their federal buildings, denying them the ability to leave the wire to go out on CP’s. Instead he’s staging them against the MN residents protesting. Fucking bullshit.
Ironically this is literally the “well armed militia” part of the second amendment that conservatives seem to ignore. Some were concerned that the federal government could simply use military force to undermine state sovereignty, so they enshrined the ability for the states to regulate militias independent of the federal government.
The fascists have spent decades eroding this right by pushing the idea that the amendment is about self defense of the individual, which is a much less of a threat to their fascist aspirations. Now we see the ultimate conclusion of this ideological trojan horse - the “second amendment crowd” is enthusiastically embracing fascism, while the states are powerless to push back.
Here is the video. There is no justification for this shooting.
That makes me sick to my stomach.
The sanctity of a human life has lost all meaning if it can be violated so casually without consequences…
This pot’s about to boil over. It won’t be long now…
Frogs sitting in said pot: “this is fine”
The ones that leave, have a future.
Hey man, if I could leap out of the pot, I would…
I can’t find the interview now or remember who it was with because of my brainrot but roughly than six months ago this woman was saying in no uncertain terms things will get progressively darker and more violent. And I’ve thought of that when every one of these moments has arisen. She was speaking more to the need of a parent whose health premiums quadrupled and SNAP benefits were cut having to care for and feed a sick child and what that might do to their anger and willingness to go do something against the elements foisting this upon them, but of course we never can predict what the precise hinge point moments are going to be during turbulent times. We just knew they were coming. And now they are. And will continue.
“And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
Watched video a dozen times looking for a weapon near or on the person shot. Just couldn’t imagine how to justify this otherwise.
I see a water bottle hit the ground early in the video but that’s it. Clear hands and wasteband from what I can see so far.
I’d love to be wrong.
It’s like that one video with the cop dropping to the ground doing barrel rolls and shouting shots fired, when an acorn fell and hit the roof of a car.
Bunch of untrained morons.
From what I understand, the water bottle was a mace canister. Some reports were saying the guy was reaching for it to use as a weapon but I don’t see that. It is then kicked away. Also, pay attention to the agent in the gray jacket. He walks up a bit late, and disarms the victim by pulling the (holstered) pistol from his waistband. He then runs away holding the weapon as the victim is shot. Like a dozen times.
It would’t matter if he was strapped with a .45 brother, that’s a right we have right after speech. They’re in the wrong here, this was MURDER. It was not even an execution. Execution implies you know it’s coming.
President gyna neck and v.p. permaliner: “Don’t worry, we’ll just make something up.”
These are the “Life is so precious” people. Fucking losers, hypocrites and Nazis. I am up for the firing squad when this ends. We can’t allow such evil to continue. Anyone else with me?
I was for long prison sentences, but those that issued these orders, and those that enthusiastically carried them out, should be executed. These are your fellow citizens, there should NEVER be a situation that you are firing on your own citizens for any reason.
The problem with prison sentences is that the next republican just pardons them and we’re right back here.
Yeah, we’ll have to revisit the whole presidential pardon thing, and prohibit its use to aid cover ups of presidential criminal activity, and make it retroactive. All the Jan 6 Traitors better show up to serve out their sentences, or it’s an additional 10 years, without any parole or good behavior time.
Or we can simply charge them all again for crimes we didn’t charge them with before. They’ve got a deep bench of past criminal activity. And all the J6 Traitors can just be charged with Sedition, and get all new sentences, significantly longer than their first sentences.
I could definitely enjoy seeing them get charged and imprisoned multiple times.
Fucking hell.
This was an execution.
Where them 2A boys at?
They are the ones behind the masks doing the murdering.
Exactly. Just look at the social media accounts of people who are pro-2A. They’ve suddenly found themselves in a boot licking contest.
Tired of hearing this. Pick up a gun yourself and prepare to defend your neighbors and yourself.
THE 2A IS FOR EVERYONE, PASS IT ON.
8 against 1 … 100% executed cause pogroms on immigrants are now normal
Plot twist: Wasn’t even an immigrant. Was a tall handsome white male VA nurse. That man was worth more than all the men in ICE.
From what I understand, the man was recording. Approached by ICE, pushed by ICE, then assaulted by 6+ ICE agents, then murdered.
Next headline: Paid insane far left violent radical terrorist, viciously attacks lone ICE agent trying to deescalate situation. ICE agent barely survive with near fatal wounds.
There’s footage of pretty much all of that. He’s talking to ice agents holding his phone. He’s then pushed around. Another protestor is also pushed. He moves toward that protestor who is on the ground. They swarm him and the rest is history.
Killing ICE Officers now SEEMS like a moral good. They’ll kill you first. Well, they’ll disarm you first, then summarily execute you.
Acting in defense of others is a legitimate defense. When ICE comes to town, people are going to unlawfully die at their hands. Stopping them before they can murder more innocent, unarmed citizens is the civic thing to do.
It is, but actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military. That war may well happen even if we dont go around killing ICE, but letting them start it for no reason at all will mean more support on our side, and better odds.
This doesn’t mean you can’t use force in self-defense, or to stop a massacre, but it does mean that just up and killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
Your point is very valid.
However, personally (and kinda anecdotally), I doubt the US military would EVER side with ICE.
There’s an unspoken heirarchy within those that serve in police, fire, EMD, and military services. Many of them actually have overlapping skill sets and training requirements. Meaning many military end up as officers or EMD’s. Or officers turnover to fire (there’s literal waiting lists to get into fire departments filled with ex-LE officers.)
The point is, this heirarchy is always determined by the amount of training necessary to hold each position. Usually with EMD and Military near the top in terms of total training needed, both physically, mentally, and practically. Below that is police and fire, both requiring weeks or months of training a year, and each placing large and permanant physical and mental demands on those that manage to complete the training. Both groups usually look up with respect to EMD and Military. If not for their training, but more for the fact that EMD’s have saved officer and fire fighter lives many many times. So theirs a respect that runs very deep between all these people who choose such demanding careers.
Especially the ones willing to put themselves through literal hell training just to possibly save lives. I cannot place enough emphasis on the possibly part. Because you have to get used to death in these jobs.
ICE training is less than 47 days.
Few if any in LE or FIRE respect them. Mostly because most ICE are rejected from their programs for failing training. So they are very much seen as a failure to ALL of these groups, placed in the subbasement of this heirarchy at best. Especially by the military, who have far more training requirements, yet now all earn far less than anyone dumb enough to join ICE.
The people who’ve dedicated themselves to just having a chance to save a life, do not respect those that on a whim one month decided to cosplay as someone that’s “protecting” others. They’re an insult to pretty much anyone that actually does the job ICE barely pretends to.
I VERY sincerely doubt anyone in the Military would be willing to protect a group of untrained cosplayers who all very likely failed to learn how to protect themselves. If anything, the human corpses ICE is unnecessarily creating very much frames them as the bad guy to ALL the people whose job it is to actually prevent corpses from happening.
They do not have friends willing to join them. They are nothing but a national embarrassment to anyone that could.
Excellent post. I also believe that when it comes right down to it, the military is NOT going to back Trump’s worst instincts. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he backed down from his Greenland demands because his own military told him that they would refuse to fire upon our NATO allies.
I want to highlight this:
ICE training is less than 47 days.
ICE training is exactly 47 days. Why? To honor the 47th president. Seriously.
ICE training wasn’t a carefully considered program that happened to last 47 days. Some sycophantic loser CHOSE that number because he knew Daddy would hear about it and be pleased for a few seconds. This is the kind of thinking that is managing our nation.
actually doing it means a shooting war with the US military.
As opposed to the one-sided shooting-war ICE is already engaged in against the people?
letting them start it for no reason
By the blood in the streets, it looks like they already have
killing them isn’t strategically a good move at this time
Tell that to Renee Good or the guy they just disarmed and executed.
They fucking mag dumped after the victim is clearly dead. These fucking fascists are untrained racist cowards. Every fucking ICE agent deserves to be imprisoned.
If you’re not screaming to destroy ICE I don’t want to hear your fucking opinion.
Dangle.
I have no words. I am literally speechless at what is currently happening in the US. I have to force myself to have words and they are all a mixture of vengeance and justice. Like… holly fuck.
There is still a long way to go. A long way to go. But after all this is said and done, if there is an after, I hope you never forget these pieces of shit. I hope you force whomever comes next to hand you these people. They do not deserve jail, they deserve justice as given from the community. They are evil behind comprehension. Seems like you cannot give an inch to the right, as they will let their evilness take over and go after everyone, mercilessly.
I hope there is good work being done on identifying and preserving whoever these evil pieces of shit, motherfuckers, morons, idiots, pedophiles, are. And when this is all done, you fucking drive all of them out of society.
Pieces of shit motherfuckers.
To my American brothers, I am truly sorry for what is happening. I don’t know the right thing to say. I want to motivate you to do what needs to be done, but at the same time, I am fully aware that it is hard.
The close up from the woman standing right there:
Ohh, I think I see what happened. The up close angle makes it clear that “dangerous” man was trying to assist two unarmed women who were being assaulted by federal fascists after they made the fatal mistake of… maybe saying something mean (? I guess) or disrespectfully blowing whistles on a public street and trying to walk away.
I guess Americans should really know better than to try and deescalate when fascists are in the middle of having such a fucking ball assaulting their neighbors.
Note to all the “white knights” out there (not the ones who traded their hoods and crosses for a government issued mask and gun, just the ones that respect women): be careful not to cross the sexually frustrated terrorists when they’re out there working through their issues with women. They’ve been training their whole lives for the day somebody would actually pay them to put a woman in her place when she gets a little too sassy. It’s not fair for you to spoil it for them. /s
What the fuck were those broads thinking anyway? They must have known there would be fatal consequences for their actions. I mean really, imagine the audacity of just walking right up to and disrespectfully whistling at a white supremacist on a public street in 2026.
So basically the opening scene of V for Vandetta, but the guy wasn’t V
I’ve never actually seen the movie, but I’m pretty sure every ICE agent is the guy who (somehow) believes they’re the Guy Fawkes in this situation.
A really important watch these days… It’s like it’s made for now
Do you have a mirror? Reddit is blocking my VPN
Several witnesses have already been transported to the Whipple building. ICE attempted to order local police from the scene, but O’Hara refused, sources said.
O’Hara instructed his officers to preserve the scene. The BCA was enroute to the scene.
All available MPD officers have been called into work, except dogwatch (overnight shift), and days off cancelled.
Lines are being drawn.
The problem is that the police tend to side with the fascists.
Numbers go brr.
One of the other comments here joked about a gofundme. Should there be or is there some crowdfunding service to help fund the general strike?
That would have to be huge
Would probably get more people on board if there was a strike fund.
Sure but I don’t see how it’s doable for potentially tens or hundreds of thousands of people, and with no strong organization like a union
