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awesome, i received my first threat on lemmy bc of this meme
I voted for Kamala. But her weak spine-ass would’ve let Israel do the exact same thing to Palestinians. She said she wouldn’t be any different from Biden, and we know Biden was a huge Zionist.
Of course though, Democrats will clutch their pearls even to this day saying that it was someone else’s fault as to why she lost. No it fucking wasn’t. Kamala had the MOST support immediately after Biden backed out. She even brought Tim Walz on board who seemed decently progressive at the time. And then Dems started capitulating to the Right. It was sickening to hear at the DNC, “the world’s strongest military”.
And then just yesterday, the DNC votes to block a resolution condemning dark money, including AIPAC, in elections. Establishment Dems are cancer in my eyes. We know Republicans are evil, so Democrats should be the ideological opposite - yet they aren’t. They let Republicans get away.
We urgently need Ranked Choice Voting (RCV) in this country so we can finally break free of these horrendous 2 choices. Or we don’t and stochastic terrorism rises because politicians refuse to curtail corporations and people suffer more and more financially.
are we still doing this? Seriously? Blaming voters for the outcome of an election which happened over a year ago instead of coming up with a winning electoral strategy for today?
You’re allowed to hate both you know? The Empire will never put a progressive in charge.
Brother she ain’t running no more. What are you fucking talking about?
Isn’t she considering running next elections?
People not voting for her is why we’re where we are today.
Kamala losing is like part 250 of a 250 part shitshow that started with Reagan and that is why we’re here. You’re just conscious enough to be around for this latest bit and aren’t taught the previous ones in school, makes ya think?
Or maybe the fact that killing innocent children in Gaza was more important to her than winning the election is why we’re here today.
Genocide is non negotiable. If you think it is, I hope you’re prepared to defend your property when the fascists comes to take it for themselves like they’re doing in the West Bank.
What an utterly simplistic and reactionary statement.
You’re just stirring the pot. Why do you want Trump to win?
Praise Allah for killing the petro dollar though
Damn didn’t know people standing up to genocide are the reason we are still letting Israel genocide people. TIL.
The people who “stood up” to genocide allowed the ones who genocide MORE into power. Good job!
The people who “stood up” to genocide allowed the ones who genocide MORE into power.
Is there any point at which you think we should draw the line in supporting our own party, even if the other party is still worse?
Oh so you can never hold anybody to a higher standard since there’s always someone worse out there. Interesting. Must be miserable always settling in life.
Oh so you can never hold anybody to a higher standard
Literally no one said that. You’re saying that to try to make your point stand, which it doesn’t.
there’s always someone worse out there
Sure is. Now they’re in power and things really aren’t going well.
Must be miserable always settling in life.
It’s called being an adult. A big part of being an adult is damage control. Welcome to reality, it’s far from perfect and sometimes you have to choose the path of least destruction.
You can indeed! But voting in the horribly broken US system is about harm reduction.
Alright well, enjoy voting for Gavin Newsom I guess. Crazy the election is 2 years away and we are already talking about “harm reduction”. Hope the DNC paycheck is worth it.
Just like Biden, voting in Harris would have been harm reduction in the short term, and harm multiplication in the long term. She would have continued to do nothing to address the treason that Republicans committed, and she would have done nothing to mitigate the terror that the next Republican president would bring. The only way voting for conservative Democrats is harm reduction is if no Republican ever wins an election again, and Republicans are going to win some elections.
The biggest difference if Harris had won is that Republicans would win in 2028, and they would have a competent fascist in the Oval Office. We need democrats who will fight Republicans, not just delay them.
Shame too many people are willfully ignorant to the blood on their hands.
How many times do I have to say it? The party lines are drawn in such a way to distract you from the actual cancer of late stage capitalism. Yeah yeah, “vote blue no matter who”. How about “educate your neighbors no matter who” to get some actual fucking change instead if this ridiculous in-fighting?
Every other day with these same exact divisive bullshit DNC centrist posts. Its almost like a media company running an ad campaign.
Field better candidate next time instead of a genocide accomplice.
So if this is why the Democrat candidate failed then the next candidate they put up won’t support Israel since the Democrats will learn from their mistakes? I would like that, but I don’t think it will happen. I think the new candidate will be the same as the old candidate and the Dem’s will have learned nothing. Pro-business, pro-Israel, soft on regulations, soft on Republican lawbreaking, and corrupt as hell.
And so, to avoid this from happening again, next time the Democrats are going to propose a candidate that doesn’t have that weak spot, right? RIGHT?
the US system is broken, this is what happens when there is only two choices 🥲
So you have an average normal politician running against literally Hitler. And people vote for literally Hitler.
And you don’t think the problem is the people voting for literally Hitler?
Don’t get me wrong, the US voting system is also bad. But that is really, really not the main problem here…
IMO the bigger problem is that the “average normal politician” managed to be so bad that voters didn’t feel motivated to vote against Hitler.
This should have been a slam dunk - and there were literally a number of easy ways to motivate voters, like promising to stop the ongoing genocide the country is funding. But when given the choice between “letting Hitler win” and “stopping the genocide”, Harris and the entire DNC leadership chose to let Hitler win.
Isn’t that deeply fucked up?
It was a slam dunk. I still know trump supporters who think everything negative said about him is a lie. Why did this never happen in human history before (an unrelenting smear campaign running for over a decade against an innocent man)? Meh I dunno something about woke.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Harris’s win obviously wasn’t a slam dunk, she lost.
yeah but she COULD have won retroactively if we browbeat people who already vote blue for the next ten years about it
Yeah… Were totally mad at people who voted blue. You’re so right. 😬
I meant she was the obvious choice to anyone with >3 working neurons.
She was! But since a rather large portion of the US public seems to have 0-3 neurons, it’s not enough to be the obvious choice for everyone else.
Harris and her campaign knew this. They had polls clearly showing that she’s so bad at motivating voters that she’ll likely lose.
No, it was the voters fault that Harris decided to fish for the republican vote by shefting more to the right in her rhetoric. Those stupid people should have voted blue no matter who!
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your whole comment is provably false. claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.
do not forget that Israel has made gaza a concentration camp long before that time.
claming the attack on the 7. was a genocide is laughably false.
I linked sources. You spew bullshit.
you linked the wikipedia article. it’s allegations. if you had read it you would first notice that the allegations are about “intent” and genocide. As the power imbalance is laughably.
The empire long called the rebellion murderes with genocidal intent. When the rebellion hit what they could, the empire killed their own to avoid hostages. The empire then told all that the rebels had murdered babies and made up other lies to make the rebels look bad.
it’s allegations.
So are the current allegations against Israel, right?
To be more than allegations, there would have to be a ICC judgement in either case, I think?
As the power imbalance is laughably.
Just because you are laughably weak, it does not mean you can’t do evil.
A wiki page listing people who have called it a genocide doesn’t exactly prove that it was one, and regardless the israelis have long been oppressing the people in gaza, including illegally capturing land by force for many years, so them striking back would be less a genocide and more an act of war, a warcrime in this instance as they largely attacked civillians, but so does israel which is why both the leader of hamas and israel are wanted war criminals
It’s like saying the slave revolts in ancient rome were genocides because the slaves were attacking romans, who else were they supposed to attack? And could you really blame them for striking back at their oppressors?
Ideally it would have been resolved peacefully but the international community turned a blind eye to what was happening, and israel sure as hell wasn’t about to stop out of the kindness of their heart
“Gaza did a genocide in Israel” is actually fucking insane.
It’s not insane, it’s a rhetorical tactic. “OK, fine, Israel is doing a genocide - but they did it to us first!”.
That is not how it started shut the fuuuck up.
Average normal politicians don’t give Hitler weapons to commit genocide.
Funding a genocide is not normal.
If you had this system in Europe you would not like the results. Best outcome: 200 years of middle of the road conservative shit Christian party
Yeah, I agree. If this can ever happen all you can really say is that us culture is cancer.
It really is a fundamentally broken system.
The system is not broken. It’s functioning exactly as intended.
Gosh darn it, if only the good cop got their way they wouldn’t have treated me like this.
Sadly, similar stuff does happen even when you have more parties.
In my opinion, what’s happening here is that the policies of the parties do not align with the opinions of the public. If you care about not doing a genocide, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for last cycle. If you care about universal health care, there wasn’t a candidate to vote for. And so on.
And you can measure this. Research has been carried out into the congruence between policy and public opinion in the US. For example, in the paper Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens, it was found that the impact the average American (as a group) has on policy is miniscule compared to the influence of economic elites. You and I don’t benefit from invading Iran, but the owning class sure does, so that’s what we do. All this is independent of whose in charge.
And so now you might rightly theorize that since there are only two parties, the democrats can fully cater to billionaires, as long as they’re less bad than the republicans. And as time goes on they move further and further right, since they really don’t have to care about voters, because the only other party consists of actual demons, and people will vote for them anyway.
However, you see this effect (the wealthy having a disproportionate amount of influence on policy) in pluralistic systems as well. Norway has about 9 major political parties, yet the study Affluence and Influence in a Social Democracy finds that here too, the rich have an outsized influence. Similar studies exist for other western European countries, most of which (if not all) have more than two major parties.
So I don’t think the root of the problem is the two party system (although I’m sure it doesn’t help).
Yes but more importantly this is what happens when people are so ignorant and uneducated that someone like Trump makes it past a humiliating response to a social media post about him considering a run for president. Then he is a horrible president, killing thousands of citizens through negligence, commits an insurrection, and voters are like “I dunno he’s not that bad. He’s male at least”
More importantly, he should have been charged for all the crimes he did in his first term. Shouldn’t have even been able to run from his prison cell, or at least not between all the court cases he’d need to be worrying about.
SCOTUS ruled that the POTUS cant be charged with literal crimes while in office, so…yeah.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that happened after Trump was reelected, meaning there were four whole years of Biden as president where it never happened.
Because he didn’t lose the 2020 election remember, Biden stole it. So therefore he never left office and was covered.
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Truthfully, I’m not sure why it seemed to be retroactively applied to his first term. Reality is probably because its all fucking corrupt so of course it did.
Another insultingly stupid take of blaming voters for the problems caused by greedy people. THIS VIOLATES RULE 1 of the forum.
Every president in the USA has supported Israel as long as Israel has been a thing, but none of them before Trump let Israel goad them into starting a direct war with Iran.
Impossible to say definitely, but there’s no reason to believe Kamala Harris would have either.
Please stop. This is disingenuous trash. No one concerned about Israel said vote for him.
Yeah Top Cop over here definitely would have done something about gun violence lmao
