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I work in emissions monitoring and this is super illegal.
Its only illegal if someone prosecutes them. That isn’t going to happen before the purge.
Since when has illegality stopped
parasitesrich people?Yup, the “penalty costs” are just costs of doing business. And the richer they get, the less impactful the penalty is so it gets easier to write off.
Specifically which part is illegal? Is it lack of planning permission? Is it an environmental law? Etc.
Not really. If he has permissions for a temporary install, it is above board. He just needs to get a permanent permit before moving to a long term generator instead of temporary fixes.
Should the permissions have been blocked? Now that’s a diff question
So you’re just going to parrot Elon Musk’s public statement about why he doesn’t need permission? Get outta here!
He has more than 2x as many turbines than is allowed for a temporary install. The article makes it abundantly clear that these things are illegal.
Musk doesn’t have permission to do this, no matter what excuse he gives.
While I hate being cold to peoples suffering, didn’t most of them vote for the face eating leopard party. They asked for their corporate overlords personal profit to be protected from their lungs, their environment, any consideration. They asked for billionaires to be above the law.
They are clearly being wronged here, there should be heavy fines, shutdowns and even jail time but my empathy is in short supply
Blacks typically vote mostly for Democrats while whites typically vote for Republicans. So black neighborhoods are commonly not getting representation.
Mississippi is about as Jim Crow as it can possibly be, so it doesn’t surprise me if white supremacist elected officials are pushed into office via gerrymandering, voter suppression and election tampering.
Yeah it was like 86% Harris from African Americans.
Just because they voted for a leopard to eat their face, doesn’t mean they deserve to have their face eaten
About 40% of Mississippi voters voted for Kamala Harris. Additionally, about 38% of the state’s residents are black.
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People are downvoting because they can’t reconcile one side being better than the other with both sides being bad. Is sacrificing citizens for AI companies a partisan issue? Does the mainstream democratic party oppose the unsustainable construction of data centers and what happens to people near those data centers?
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Without voting reform there can only be two parties.
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I mean the voting system needs to be reformed. There is no reform party, and cannot be because the voting system allows for only two parties. If Tucker Carlson or whoever manages to create a different far right party that steals more than 5% but less than 95% of the vote from the current far right party, that’s bad for far right voters because the less right party will always come out ahead in major elections.
I have a suspicion they put the gas turbines near those communities specifically to fuck with them the same way they bulldozed poor neighborhoods for roads
Well they probably are poor and thus have less means to defend themselves.
More likely bully tactics: they have little resources to fight it.
It’s sad that the norm is to expect those in power will try to ruin lives as fast and as efficiently as possible. Just why… They have billions of dollars already… Why
Because they’re in a race against each other that they can never win. Elon Musk may have gotten a little wiggle room from his competition when SpaceX went public but you can bet your ass (cause I know all of you don’t have a dollar to waste) Larry Page is running his brain ragged trying to think about how he becomes the most powerful one. It’s just a pissing contest and unfortunately they’re really careless
To billionaires money is just like a high score in an arcade cabinet. And they’re also evil.
Bunch of Harkonnen scumbags.
I ask myself the same question. It feels like such an empty life. More and more money that they would need many lifetimes to be able to spend, which will be worth absolutely useless if and when they end up fucking up the whole world. It doesn’t make sense at all. Yes, it’s nice to have money to buy whatever you want, I won’t argue that, but come on. At this point I’m leaning towards them just having so much fucking ego that they can’t stop anymore. If anyone has another possible explanation, I’d really like to know.
people did that work, just because elon musk tells people what to do doesn’t mean those people should be exonerated from the consequences as well. the people doing the work sure as shit falls out there ass, know there was no permit. if there no permit, then why not a great fire ball in the night sky.
Yes. I’m pretty sure it’s a contractor’s job to get the permits. Is it not?
Not removing blame from Elon. Just smearing the blame around cause all those fucks are responsible
Yea I’m not sure why this isn’t the normal way to think. The logic of “they are just doing a job and getting theirs” doesn’t hold up for everything so where is the line for these people?
Oh shucks i see you’ve signed up to drag me to the death camp! Not your fault! You’re just getting yours! Now let me be polite and handcuff myself!
We need to be more serious.
At some point participation is complicity but unless we make it hostile to work with, for, or in the interests of these inhuman monsters, people won’t know not to. Labour is not in a position to know what work is illegal or not.
Working for the wealthy needs to be seen as a threat against society. It’s deeply anti-social. We have no way to differentiate them in their range of evil, and they made it impossible to find out. So at some point, to protect the working, poor and middle classes, if you’re wealthy, you’re a threat. Don’t want to be treated as a threat? Give up your wealth and join the peasantry. We need to police our own to protect ourselves from the threat of wealth.
I agree, Elon is not at fault here. All he did was finance it with enough money to convince people to ignore the law.
Paying someone to do a crime is a crime.
“black communities” …say no more, they’re fuckin’ SOL…
in one of the most racist state missisipi.
Mississippi black communities, not only are they SOL they’re about to be raided by local law enforcement.
Meanwhile if you put a couple of solar panels on your roof without filling out nineteen different forms in triplicate, providing a notarized drawing by a licensed architectural firm, paying $2000 in fees plus enduring the eleven month processing time, your local code authority will put a lien on your property and send a SWAT team to your house.
Has this happened?
It’s one part hyperbole, one part true.
They are just going to call it another “Sacrifice Zone” like they do the cancer alley in Louisiana arent they?
Some people just are expendable for progress, what can the country do?
Expendable for
progressprofits.
Implies they care about anyone in Mississippi.
Implies they care about anyone
in Mississippi.FTFY
The sheep’s are sleeping, no one will do something about this. Welcome to the reality.
This makes me wonder what would happen if one would pour glass dust in the air intake of thos generators.
Prolly get filtered out. I was thinking cans of expanding foam (ie, "great stuff) with an m80 duct taped to it. Light it up, chuck it in.
One of those fell in my washing machine when I wasn’t looking and it got emptied during the cycle.
Ruined my clothes and the machine wasn’t happy about it but it eventually worked fine after a few cleaning cycles.
The “liquid nails” type of expanding foam however, I’m pretty sure that would fuck up anything.
I think the great stuff would do more damage then the M80, and would result in probably one less charge.
Is the m80 not to just make the great stuff leave the can?
I mean I assume the great stuff would leave the can after you huck it into the turbine, but if you’re worried it won’t be punctured, you could just duct tape down the trigger on the can before you huck it.
You might be right, maybe not. Let’s find out!
Wasn’t this protected by the State because alleged DoD application? This is one of many reasons we cut it with England, just saying.
Time for hostile take over.
Infrastructure still has real-world costs.
Why does it matter if the community is inhabitated my residents of a daek skin color?
- Are Lemmy users really that fixated on skin color?
- Are we in that need for upvotes and non-existant karma
- Do you want to spark controversial discussions?
Why did you do felt the need to mention “black communities”.
And don’t tell me it’s because you copy pasted the title of the source article or something.I understand your point but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
"These pollutants are proven to have adverse effects on the health of the people living within a five-mile radius of the source, and census data showed that the residents living in the affected area are predominantly black. "
If you watch Errol Musk’s interview about non white people in US, combine it with the knowledge of the type of similar asshole Elon is, it is not at all surprising that he knew the effects of such turbines and selected this location on purpose. It is not at all surprising that Elon would have an agenda where he tried to reduce non-white population because he thinks he is saving humanity by doing so. Ofcourse you can’t put in the headine something like “Elon, being a racist asshole, placed turbines near black communities” that is too biased and too speculative for news reporting. You can only present facts that are associated to this and let the reader decide. It is still biased and leading but atleast you allow the reader to form their own opinion to a much greater extend.
I understand your point
First reasonable response
but it is a piece of relevant information when Elon is considered
Both position (mine and you (+ seemingly the whole thread)) can be true.
Thanks for explaining your position.
It mattered to Musk that there are Black communities to fuck with, so why not mention that.
Sure. But that’s not a headline thing that needs mentioning.
Instead it should be something like “In his racism fanaticism, Musk ordered XY gas turbines to be installed especially near residents (of a minority)”.
Can that can’t be proven to be actually cause of racism (it likely is).
But the other headline (currently being used) is also racial profiling.
The entire point of that is exposing his prejudices. I don’t know how you miss that kinda thing.
It has absolutely nothing to do with their Lemmy account, or the controversy.
Would it matter if it was near 100k white instead of 100k black residents?
No, 100k residents are actively being harmed.So you can’t read I guess.
Bruh.
Sure thing buddy. If that makes you feel better?I see humans. Not black, white, yellow, rainbow colored humans.
Minorities are oppressed and fucked with. That is for sure. Needing to call it “black” in a headline instead of “minority” is cloaked racism in of itself.
So you are ok with writing “… placed near oppressed community” but not specifying what group?
And that’s great for you. But had nothing to do with what I said as the original answer.
So clean your digital ears out a bit, and maybe repetition (with free bonus expansion) will help.
The point was specifying Elon’s particular flavor of oppression.
Had nothing to do with speaking Lemmy controversy, or hinting that one kind of racism was worse than another.
Hoping you get the point now.
Beyond the angle already mentioned about Musk’s racism, black communities in the US have disproportionately been affected by polluting industries. It is worth mentioning when it happens yet again.
And don’t tell me it’s because you copy pasted the title of the source article or something.
Well yeah, it’s usually good practice not to change the source article’s title.
Do I think the “black communities” part was necessary in the title? Not really. But if the author decided to frame it like that, and OP wanted to repost it as-is, I see no issue with that.
Balanced take. I can support that angle.
