The musician started dating Australian model Helena Vestergaard in 2013, and they split after being together for approximately two years.
Before that, Kiedis, now 63, had a relationship with Heather Christie, who was 22 years his junior. When the pair welcomed their son, Everly Bear, in 2007, Kiedis was 44 and his partner was 21.
In the latest episode of My Therapist Ghosted Me, Williams and her co-host Joanne McNally discussed age-gap relationships, with the former I’m a Celebrity campmate saying: “Do you know who else I find really disappointing, because I really like the Red Hot Chili Peppers? Anthony Kiedis.”
Seemingly referring to his romance with Vestergaard, Williams continued: “He is like 54 or something, and he is going out with a 19-year-old. And it is like, ‘Dude, what are you talking about?’”
McNally replied: “I’ve seen this. I just accept now that most men, all men, are drawn to – I’m going to be very careful how I say this – significantly younger women. That’s all I’m going to say. It is what it is and I don’t think there’s any getting away from it. We judge it but it’s not going to change.”
“I would have to say that it is not all men,” Williams continued. “Because I do think it is a very specific thing.”
Addressing why younger women might decide to date older men, McNally added: “And of course, people like him [Anthony Kiedis] and rockstars like him can get away with it because no 19-year-old girl wants to be going out with some old lad who is driving a Toyota Corolla around town.
some old lad driving a Toyota Corolla
I feel targeted
She called him out for dating a consenting adult. Sure, it’s a big, creepy age gap, but that’s their business.
Maybe she didn’t know about the time when he was banging a 14-year-old.
I think she’s trying to open a dialog about his predilection to younger women. Break the ice with an icky agegap, when they have your attention bring up the stat rape.
This is so funny to me. It’s sexist, straight up. You can dislike it but this is sexist towards women.
When I was 19 nobody would’ve cared if I was with a 50 year old, unless it was a man, because then that’s sinful or something. If I was with a 90 year old woman, people would accuse me of taking advantage of her.
Let people do what they want, isn’t that what this society we operate in is supposed to be about? If I wanna lick 90 year old wieners and buns, let me do me.
While its really weird. Shes a consenting adult, both consented. So ok ig
Yeah i hate this shit. You can think it’s skeevy on a personal level, but she’s an adult, she gave consent, and she can make her own decisions. Infantilising women is not the way to go.
19yo women don’t have agency, apparently.
It makes no sense. She’s an adult. If we said she wasn’t permitted to date him there would be protests about her having the right to do as she chooses. And this does nothing but smear her name publicly as well as his.
This being news isn’t likely to be something that makes her feel better or happier or not judged by all of society. It’s damaging and for no good reason.
You should be publicly shamed.
Hopefully you’ve now met your quota and can be a decent human being to the rest of the folks you interact with today.
Very funny, after changing your comment about telling people to kill themselves. Get your shit together.
My comment never said anyone should kill themselves. I made a sarcastic reply than seemed to go over people’s heads because reading is tough, so I edited it to clarify.
This is not music, it’s gossip.
Y’know, gossip as a term has had a lot of different connotations. Some would argue that gossip is a way for people to keep others safe by letting them know of dangers (and dangerous people) that they otherwise wouldn’t have known.
I don’t see anything in the rules about music related topics being forbidden.
Thank you for keeping us safe from Anthony Kiedis
I’m Kiedis proof: I’m not in California.
I think my sarcasm was entirely missed? Or are you continuing the banter? I don’t spend enough time online, I feel like a grandma.
Continuing the banter. Riffing on Red Hot Chilli Peppers’ well-documented fixation on California.
We’ve come a long way since it was normalized for grown men to rape 14 year olds. We can go further.
What is your further? 60 year old men dating 18 year olds is creepy, don’t get me wrong, but if the 18 year old is consenting and content in the relationship (and wasn’t groomed!) where is the problem? I was being snarky before but now I’m genuinely curious.
I think that it’s possible for age-gap relationships to be healthy. I believe that the more experienced partner has a duty to leave the less experienced partner in as good a mental and physical shape or better after the relationship. I believe in adults having autonomy and freedom to make their own choices.
That doesn’t mean I reserve judgement for the older partner in situations where it’s clear they are putting their own selfish wants ahead of the younger person’s well-being. I don’t trust that Kiedis treats these young women with regard to their well-being based on his history of raping young teens.
So it’s nuanced, as anything I try to approach in life.
I spread awareness about these kinds of topics because people like Kiedis still rarely see any jail time for the crimes that preceded these age-gap relationships.
Oh I see what you mean now, I was missing some important context and just concluded the age gap was the issue.
Why do old men always take advantage of young girls? Surely it’s time for a young girl to take advantage of an old man for a change.
That does happen and they’re transactional relationships. This and Leonardo DiCaprio’s young girl friends probably want access to the Hollywood parties to meet with directors and producers. As long as the people are adults, I do not care. Keep the focus on the Epstein Island people.
Melania is 24 years younger than Trump.
My issue with her is she’s a Russian asset.
Melania, a Russian asset? Do you have any source or argument for this?
For sure. I probably should have put an “/s” at the end of my comment.
In these instances the couples use each other - which I think makes both of them as bad as each other. Both are predators hunting prey.
Like you mention, the difference with Epstein & co is immense.
How do you know that’s not what happened? Do you have all the details of their private relationship?
I probably should’ve put an “/s” at the end of my first comment.
I’ll never miss an opportunity to shit on Anthony Kiedis. But no one did it better than Mike Patton, so let’s just relive one of the most epic public fuck yous in musical history.
In the late 90s, one of Mike Pattons many acts, Mr Bungle, was on tour opening for RHCP. Patton believes it was due to them putting on such a hard to follow set that Kiedis kicked them off their tour stating that they were “Trying to rip off his style.”
What followed was, well, this. Mr. Bungle Halloween Show dressed as RHCP. Pattons way of saying “If I wanted to rip off your style I’d do it like this.” In the video their bassist, dressed as flea, can be seen miming injecting a syringe into his arm. Their guitarist, dressed as Frusciante, can be seen snorting invisible cocaine off the keyboard.
Patton decided the final piece of his revenge was to get back to the studio with Mr. Bungle. He hired out fucking John Zorn (Saxophonist for Zappa) to produce their new record. They titled it “California” and released ~5 weeks after RHCP released “Californication” as a final statement, to say something to the effect of “THIS is my style. RHCP doesn’t have style to rip off, you’re an easily replicable pop act.”
If you’ve never heard “California”, you owe it to yourself to make it your next full album listen. It is truly one of the best records of all time. Mike Pattons range is frightening.
One of the biggest regrets I carry today was missing Bungle in their prime. I saw FNM and Fantomas but unfortunately didn’t get off my arse to see Mr Bungle and I should have.
For your post, there was stuff in there I didn’t know. I’d heard about the parody show but that was the first time I watched video of it. As for the meaning of California, yeah I hadn’t heard that. Both California and Disco Volante are masterpieces. Warner Bros thought they were getting another marketable FNM lmao
Thanks for the step back in time. They were great times that we will never see again.
Same. I got to see Bungle in the last 5 years. It was bittersweet that they played nothing off of California. I felt both appreciated and ignored. Classic. Battles opened. It was rad.
Yeah I was torn on going to that one. It’s good stuff but it’s the later stuff that’s my bag. Especially California. That’s a magnificent record that stands up anywhere
The real insult here is calling John Zorn ‘saxophonist for Zappa’ (edit: which isn’t even true). Zorn was a figurehead of punky jazz-fusion in the eighties’ and nineties’ NYC no-wave scene, and had/was in like fifty projects including seminal ‘Naked City’ and then jazzcore band Painkiller (with Bill Laswell and Mick Harris, the latter formerly of Napalm Death). He also has his own label Tzadik, releasing traditional Jewish music among other stuff.
Patton was on at least seventeen of Zorn’s albums and several non-album releases, and was a guest in Painkiller. Likewise, Zorn was likely on multiple albums by Patton and his projects.
P.S. Zorn has also produced Mr. Bungle’s first album.
TIL that Zorn played on Zappa’s albums. I mostly knew him from working with Buckethead and Bill Laswell
Actually, that seems to be untrue. There’s nothing about Zappa on Zorn’s Wikipedia page, and nothing about Zorn on Zappa’s and The Mothers of Inventions’ ones, except that Zorn was influenced by Zappa. On Discogs, I can’t find even one record where they worked together, only compilations of various artists.
Idk where the article’s author got that, since I’ve never heard such a claim despite listening to Zorn on and off for twenty years. I straight up read through his Wikipedia page recently-ish, before posting an album of his here on Lemmy.
And now I see the link between Patton and Serj Tankian.
Serj + Buckethead, Buckethead + Zorn, Zorn + Patton.
Serj has said a lot of glowing things about Patton in interviews. Always wondered if they had any career overlap.
Marc Streitenfeld, Serj Tankian, and Mike Patton released a single together, called ‘Bird’s Eye’. Patton and Tankian were both guests on Praxis’ ‘Profanation (Preparation For A Coming Darkness)’, but on different tracks (Praxis is a band of Laswell, Buckethead and Bryan “Brain” Mantia, with various guests including Zorn and aforementioned Mick Harris).
If I recall correctly kiedis used his connections to get bungle cancelled from some festivals and also got California delayed.
Such a shitty tiny little person who hates that Patton is 100 times the singer than he could ever be. Also Mike seems like he’s not a junkie and generally a decent and nice guy which can not be said about Anthony.
I love that album. Once I took a hike around Edinburgh to listen to the entire Bungle discography in order.
As a huge fan of Mr Bungle, Mike Patton and Frank Zappa - I have never heard this before, but I love everything about it.
The fact about Zorn playing for Zappa is untrue, but he deserves plenty admiration on his own (Naked City is his album and then band with the same musicians). He also produced Mr. Bungle’s first album.
I love Goodbye Sober Day, I didn’t know about the beef with RHCP so that was a fun history lesson
i believe the problem was that in the early days Faith no more sounded similar to early RHCP, and later that Mr Bungle called their album California. As everyone knows, Kiedis is the only one who has the rights to sing about California. To be clear, RHPC are shit compared to anything Patton did.
As stated in my post, California came out after this beef. It was Patton’s final blow to RHCP to title their next album so similarly to RHCP.
But you’re right that Keidis was likely more familiar with Faith No More in his suggesting Bungle was ripping off his style
This is what makes the ‘most public musical fuck you’ so immense. Patton was showing Kiedis that Bungle wasn’t only ‘not Faith No More,’ (which to Patton, sure might have been a bit like RHCP… because it was his pop act. He was trying to make money, not be artistically inportant. And it was still more diverse than RHCP could ever dream of becoming. He was subtly saying “Faith no more was my pop act. You know me through that. Bungle is the real me, these are my friends from high school. And because you’re a twat, the next Bungle album is titled ‘California.’”
Oh, yeah, that’s the guy who was the Anger Sphere in Valve’s Portal.
He’s a fucking madman,
Like I said. His range… Is… Frightening
More people should be fans of Mike Patton.
Jfc how does his vocal chords still work?!
As someone who can lay down some pretty brutal growls, it’s technique.
He is an opera trained singer. He knows how to abuse his voice, when to stop, has immaculate diaphragm/breath control, has intimate understanding of sound compression… etc
If you want to continue to enjoy the music of your childhood, never look into the personal lives of the artists who made it. It will make you very sad/angry
One exception from the horrifying classic rock era is Pink Floyd. At least nothing that I am aware of from those guys.
Waters is somewhat crazy lately, but he’s also old as fuck, so eh.
The keyboard player had mental breakdowns from Waters bullying him. Syd Barrett literally went crazy. They made loads of money from their music, but lost it all to shady investments and had to live in tax exile. Two different versions exist of the flying pig in the live show, one with balls and one without, because of Gilmore and Waters falling out. There are some good stories with Pink Floyd.
I think Rush as well. So far so good anyway.
Weird Al.
Tool’s members are pretty boring… Except Maynard … Who plays in multiple bands, runs a winery/vineyard, runs several businesses, and yells at people to get off his lawn…
Speaking as someone who is/was moderately obsessive about Tool, I regret to inform you that Maynard is credibly accused of rape
Arizona stronghold! Got to meet him at a greenwise market event in Boca Raton. You could tell he didn’t want to be there, and it was only his curly haired partner doing all the hand shaking. He didn’t sign with the classic x’s and I was kinda disappointed.
But I like the cranberries :<
Do you have to?
Do you have to?
Can confirm. Child of the 80s. Absolutely huge Michael Jackson fan. Not so much now.
Oh, no. PLEASE tell me Michael Jackson doesn’t really have anything questionable in his past. I’m hoping it’s something minor?
minor
That’s the claim, anyway. Supposedly, according to media outlets and one specific family he invited children to his property for epstien reasons, not to try and recapture the childhood he wasn’t allowed to have.
Idk if I believe he did anything, but bare minimum some former child actors that have said “no he definitely didn’t try anything with me but other people in Hollywood did” and I find that more compelling than a talking head on a news program who is “just asking questions”
He definitely took young boys into his bedroom, locked the door and slept in the same bed as them. He admitted as much himself. He was in his forties at the time.
Whether he did what he was accused of will never be 100% proven as there’s no other evidence than the testimony of the two victims, but their stories are so similar it seems fairly likely (unless they colluded), to be true. Furthermore, fact that they both maintain their stories despite having absolutely nothing to gain from it also lends creedance to their story. I loved MJ, I don’t want it to be true, but my gut tells me that where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Michael Jackson was acquitted every time though, all signs point to him being slandered and the media doing what they do best - fucking up someone’s life over accusations.
In the end, we’ll never know. Iirc, it is just one family accusing him?
From Kiedis’s Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Kiedis ):
Kiedis acknowledges in his autobiography Scar Tissue that he had sexual relations with a 14-year-old girl when he was 23, before and after learning of her age, in the 1980s. This inspired him to write the song “Catholic School Girls Rule”
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Kiedis had a relationship with actress Ione Skyein the late 1980s starting when he was 24 and she was 16.
Then talk about that, not him currently dating an adult woman.
If a consenting young adult wants to be with an old person, more power to them, but these are actually gross and should put him in jail
Insane.
We put a dude from my hometown in prison for doing that shit.
Yeh, but did that dude sing ‘Under The Bridge’?
He was gross and it was the 90’s. I’m sure he sang it all the time.
If you read his book, he has done much worse.
he also had an incredibly weird childhood too. no wonder he grew up to be a creep/freak
Yes. That is relevant. This isn’t.
meh, she’s of age and consenting. I’m more upset about the time he raped a 14 year old.
The guy is a asshole and and the part about the young girl from his book shows he isn’t a good person but this is a nothing burger from people who are going to be real get off my lawn types when they age up.
You can be upset about the rape and disgusted about the predatory nature of a 50 year old taking advantage of a 19 year old. They’re not mutually exclusive.
So just to be clear about this: you think that adult women should not be allowed to make their own decisions and mistakes? Because you can’t have it both ways, saying that yes, they should be free to make any decision they want, as long as its decisions you agree with.
I partially disagree that we shouldn’t judge him for this. However, I also recognize that saying she can’t do this is removing her liberties, and treating her as a child. If the genders were reversed, I bet we’d never hear about this story, but we treat women as something to be protected instead of individuals.
We can judge him some, for taking advantage of the situation (and the much worse things in his past). To say it’s absolutely wrong is absurd though. I can’t go that far. Adults are allowed to have relationships with whoever they want, and honestly, people should keep their disgust to themselves unless the person doesn’t want it. Many people would have the same disgust for homosexual relationships, and say people need to be protected from that, and fuck that nonsense. Do what you want, as long as it isn’t coerced.
We don’t have to agree with what happened to agree that she’s allowed to make decisions for herself. Doing otherwise is stealing her freedom from her.
So to be clear, I think most people by the time their brains have finished developing completely (ie let’s say 26 onward) don’t view 18-25ish as actual adults. They are entering into adulthood, but their brains are not fully developed.
This is genderless and applies to all human development.
So yeah maybe people in that age range shouldn’t be allowed to date people twice their senior. Which obviously that kinda of legal thinking is difficult to Implement, and would have so many nuances.
the best we can do here is social and moral outrage against this behavior. There are many Extra-judicial punishments, take your pick.
I’m with you.
Minimum age for enlistment should be 25.
Adult women can make their own decisions. Predators and disgusting groomers are still predators and disgusting groomers. It is our task as decent adults to protect our young people from the sick fuckhead older people would use their ignorance of the world and freedom to exploit them because they make excellent victims, especially with people defending their base actions for some reason rather than reprimanding them.
Oh god did he groom her too? I didn’t see that part
You’re being obtuse so you can massage this exchange into accusing the interlocutor of being a misogynist or pedophile.
You think you’re clever. You’re not. It’s a trite internet-ism.
Yes, I think adult women should be allowed to make their own decisions. That doesn’t exempt the much older man from judgment for accepting the young woman’s advances.
In this case - Kiedis has a history of raping children. So yes, I will cast judgment on him for continuously dating women much younger than himself.
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Its better than in was in the 70s just about every musician was dating 14 years olds…
*barf
They were all dating the same 14-year-old.
„Dating“ aka raping and trafficking.
Damn I don’t know what it is about Lemmy, but it just brings the pedophiles out of the woodwork. This comment section is bleak.
If people wanna talk about his underage girlfriends from forty years ago have at it. Acting like this is at all the same thing is infantilizing the adult woman he’s dating, and it just shows how utterly broken some people’s minds are when the subject of sex comes up.
Man at first I did not understand cause Im late and sorted for score. Its like those Iceberg videos in here the further down you go, the more depressing it gets.
Yeah, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with people? A 60 year old sniffing around teenagers and young 20 year olds are creeps and sleezebags. It is not laudable, nor is it “evolutionarily normal”, it is a power imbalance. We are humans, not base animals. We can choose to be better.
Totes agree. However a majority of society has been conditioned to think those with money deserve what they buy and by extension sociaty excuses bad behaviour, due to wanting to follow.
These chicks would not look twice if they didn’t have fame or money. It is a power imbalance and the old pervs can call it what they want, the young girls can use names like sugar baby to soften it, but it’s still tacky and degrading behaviour.
For all the free will people purport to have, there are so many people who would much rather not have a choice and wrap themselves in deciet to defend their abhorrent behaviour, rather than actually just choose to be better.
Perhaps everyone is coasting so hard they don’t even comprehend that they can choose
So you going be Leonardo DiCaprio? Because he may very continue dating young women in his 80’s.
He’s gross now for his dating record. We don’t have to wait until he’s in his 80’s to judge him.
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The sexism and pedophilia openly embraced on Lemmy almost pushed me away completely when I first came here. I’m trying to be the change I want to see here instead.
Ma’am, you do a fantastic job at being the change we love to see.
This is literally my face at 4:20am today reading some of these comments
Edit: Fuck, some nasty people in these comments. I need a joint and it’s not even 5am 🤢
<3
Hahaha that image is perfect.
lol yeah, some folks be nasty and that’s my fave while scrolling
Love me some Seven of Nine 💚
I haven’t seen that, personally, I have found the majority here to be rabidly against those things. I was made aware of this particular pedophile right here on lemmy maybe a year ago and stopped listening to their music
A very similar conversation about Steven Tyler happened in the lemmyshitposting community that was appalling. There was an incredible amount of defense for pedophiles there, similar to this thread, except those comments were highly, highly upvoted and supported.
The sexism I have experienced first hand. You should see some of the DMs I get.
I’ve literally seen not one thread on the topic in which pedophile lovers don’t come out of the woodworks. It’s important to remember that a lot of people are on this website because they were banned from Reddit, some of whom for good reason.
I’ve seen tankies and extreme libertarians but none of what up mention here.
May I ask if you’re a man?
I don’t particularly identify with any physical sex. I am gay however.
I find AFAB tend to pick up on the subtleties of sexists and misogynists a little easier than AMAB people tend to simply because of life experience.
There’s a lot of misogyny that’s allowed with very little pushback on Lemmy.
I don’t disagree with you and am not surprised. There are a lot of immature people and those who are not able to recognize their own emotions. I tend to be sensitive to such things but may not always be subject to them myself.
I’m sure I have blind spots to some stuff like this that as well. I know I’ve stumbled occasionally with my own husband as he’s a different race than I am. Since I haven’t experienced racism personally, it can be harder to spot immediately for instance.
Like I said though, it hasn’t been enough to push me away completely and I’m working on making the fediverse more diverse :)
Prudes mad that rock star is dating an adult woman. More news to follow!
