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    CIA and bougie pricks in general have gotten really complacent

    Man needlessly smashed up some of the US’ ability to project soft power, he’s still talking about slashing the military budget, and now this and they haven’t whacked him yet

    Soft

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    Very interesting they’re letting him actually do this. I would think the bourgeoisie would not like this kind of hit. He still has time to do “incredible deals” whereby these countries agree to buy $100 of US goods and he drops the tarrifs while tooting his horn but things do kind of look like the bourgeoisie (those near levers of power anyways) are serious about forcibly decoupling and reshoring pronto to be able to fully enact the plan of isolating, blockading, sanctioning, and trying to turn up the pressure on and destroy China or at least prevent their rise and displacement of US power.

    I mean it’s either fail children running the show which I still can’t buy because they’d love their enemies to think them more foolish and incapable than they are and we don’t have that luxury OR the whole plan for drawing back, child labor, small yard, high fence, using the sword of empire to attempt to force the world to buy more US stuff to displace competitors OR they’re on some sort of dark enlightenment trip and think capitalism is over and the only way to avoid socialism is turning the barbarism machine way up and trying to create some sort of techno-feudalism or something else at home.

    Why does it matter? Well if they’re just incompetent then indeed the fall of the US is in order in the near future lea-w but options 2 and 3 spell very, very, very dire times for those in the imperial core as it’s a very orderly managed decline that’s liable to be able to potentially draw it out many more decades into the future and inflict incredible amounts of suffering on those of us stuck here in the mean-time (beyond just treats being more expensive).

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      Just like how the proletariat is divided thanks to class unconsciousness, I wonder if the same sometimes dogs the bourgeoisie. Wars are a key example where even a united bourgeois class can enter conflict with itself.

      There are growing divisions within the capitalists about how to navigate the latest wave of imperial crises, and with that has come a cold war of political influences and the conflict within a usually-united class. Whilst this will threaten global capital, and with it many capitalists, there will be others who take the spoils of the coming disruption for their own gain.

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        The bourgeoisie are always class conscious, but fractured by campism, they DO come together if capitalism is sufficiently threatened. They are a homogeneous blob in the sense that they oppose working class movements and labour emancipation, but the struggle over the division of the earth is always there.

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        Funnily enough, the bourgeoisie are usually united in class unconsciousness. Unlike workers, when they act out of a narrow self interest, it tends to constructively interfere. And the US, they’ve been acting inside a liberal legal system designed to cushion any harsh consequences that kind of blind profit seeking leads to. A few of them are more aware, but it just means when they act out of narrow self interests, it’s just a little more savvy and with a slightly broader time horizon. Bezos and Buffet already liquidated a bunch of wealth last November.

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      Reshoring will never happen outside of the rest of the world imposing a Cuba-style blockade on the US (inshallah). Offshoring and de-industrialization was the only way the US was able to push off the spectre of the declining rate of profit and the corresponding class consciousness that comes with it.

      The only way this made sense to me was as a way to push through a tax cut bill through reconciliation that would essentially relieve the wealthy and corporations of paying any taxes at all. A massive and permanent transfer of wealth (because of course the dems would never repeal it). Trump’s GAO would massively inflate the expected revenues from tariffs in order to 1-for-1 cut taxes on the rich. But the I saw Scott Bessent say that tariffs aren’t factored into reconciliation so assuming he was telling the true (big if) then who knows…

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        Offshoring and de-industrialization was the only way the US was able to push off the spectre of the declining rate of profit and the corresponding class consciousness that comes with it.

        Maybe they don’t care? US proles are really, really, really propagandized against class consciousness and socialism. End of history and all that. I mean inevitably it comes back when conditions get bad enough and /enough/ time passes but maybe they think something else will happen before then to prevent it? Nuclear war where they all hide in their bunkers? Automated police kill-bots to keep the proles in line? Things like AI and robotics alleviating the need for all those workers (here’s where they obviously don’t understand proper Marxist economics of course and it eventually breaks down to them eating each other but by then they might have exterminated a lot of us so it’ll be small comfort). I mean they’re attacking public education and doing all kinds of other things you’d need to do to create a downwardly mobile population suitable for harsh factory work in horrible conditions. Add in some terror of gutting public healthcare, spreading around a few ever-present diseases like covid that slowly cripple those who get repeatedly infected and only those who keep their heads down and work have the healthcare to be able to survive in those conditions while many others are being picked off and you no longer have just food and hunger but living as a weapon.

        I am not optimistic about Americans becoming class conscious quickly enough to matter in the next 20-30 years and more specifically class conscious and aware of and versed in Marxist theory as it’s not enough to be class conscious, there are plenty of liberal-ish types who are but think the end all is peaceful protest and organizing and are easily put down. I just see some sort of extreme reaction taking hold as much more likely.

        They might feel (and not without some reason) that by the time there’s any real risk of the proles becoming class conscious AFTER reshoring that they’ll have AI plus robotics down and they’ll have automated kill bots, an enforcer class (cops), plus be able to increasingly replace the lost labor, plus just kill off or cripple tons of the unruly proles by poisoning their water and air, letting pandemics ravage the population at large, and of course climate change heat effects and perhaps increasing food costs to just starve a certain amount to death every year (if kept small enough I’m sorry to say most Americans would walk atop all those bodies and skeletons and stay in line as long as their number isn’t up, as long as the mass slotted for starvation is small enough every year to be put down by militarized police and for the rest of the population to keep their heads down and not join them this seems viable).

        Again this all eventually falls apart but it’s little comfort as many of us here will be dead as a result long before it reaches that point.

        I say, never say never. Really they might only be trying to prod back strategic industries. Trump likes to go on about antibiotics production which is telling because in a prolonged war against the rest of the world or at least against China the US would run out of medical treatments for their soldiers who’d begin dying to preventable things because they’d be cut off. The US wants to be able to self-sufficiently wage protracted global war on the rest of the world, war for conquest, war for dominance, war for plunder. They can afford to lose iPhone production, they can afford to lose all kinds of consumer goods but they must have food (already not a problem, not likely to be given Canada is a major supplier of fertilizers and we have lots of natural gas for that purpose), they must have medicine for their soldiers, and they must have arms building capabilities. Trump talks about ship-building, he wants back massive ship-building capability in the US which is why the tarrifs on non-US made ships because right now in a prolonged war China could just keep churning out new ships and the US would be without a navy very quickly, he wants to decrease global purchases of Chinese ships to shut down Chinese shipyards and move them to places where the US has control to give the US the ability to use them to make war-ships quickly in a prolonged war and to deny China that same ability.

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      It’s the national bourgoisie ascendent against the international bourgoisie. Trump’s favoured businessmen will be given special exemptions while the economy gets gutted and they can pick up the remnants at a steal. meanwhile their international rivals get shafted.

      Also they are definitely on a neoreaction trip, it’s just that all they’ve done is reinvented fascism and mixed it with older patronage networks that won’t work for a modern economy.

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          Exactly. Fascism ala 30s style cant really be created, since there is a lack of marxist and mass class consciousness. Brutalization still exist, since its a core fabric of extraction.

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          I think we underestimate the left here. I suspect the organisational seeds the left has will consolidate as the crisis grows and more people become radicalised. the cadres I’ve been talking to often have room to scale, and sometimes fighting capacity, but they want to keep their powder dry where possible and not escalate prematurely, so they keep the street fighting to a minimum and focus on resisting evictions and deportations.

          Meanwhile the right are actually pretty keen on vigilantism and in the absence of a target they’ll invent one.

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        Yes, that’s it. Class solidarity has historically been annoyingly high amongst capitalist both national and international and (whatever other effects), this might have the potential to further erode both at the same time.

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      Think you’re pretty spot on on the incoming techno-feudalism side of things. They think AI & robotics is gonna mean they don’t need workers anymore and so they’re setting up for their fiefdoms.

      Owning everything’s no fun if the peasants won’t dance for your entertainment.

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    Genuinely think the intent is to make conditions so unbearable within the empire so he can round up the coming storm to push forward the most violent shit possible.

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      manufacturing bad conditions to manipulate the backlash is certainly an idea, i’m not sure it works when you scream from the rooftops that it’s your project and what ever happens will be your fault.

      there’s no fallguy, there’s no possible fallguy, he’s branded the tarriffs as his idea from here to kingdom come. how could even the historically unintellectual yankee people possibly misdirect their ire?

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      This is the plan, absolutely. Sure these people also became true believers for their propaganda, but there’s no reason to think elements of the ruling bourgeoisie are ignorant to the effects of what Trump’s doing. They’re crashing the global economy with no survivors and is banking on America being able to whether the blows enough to take bigger bites out of their main economic competitors.

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    I knew that globalised neoliberal oligopolistic capital was dead, I didn’t know that it was this dead… There’s no going back to the past, the powers that be tried to restore the neoliberal order after the 2008 financial crash, and ultimately failed. This is the end result.

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      Exactly so funneling people towards voting for the dems is even more erroneous and delusional than it already was. Neo-Keynesianism is also an dead end.

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        Neo-Keynesianism has been a dead end for almost a decade now, since the initial failure of the Sanders and Corbyn campaigns. They were never going to be allowed to seize power, as the working class globally was, and is, in a position of defeat, not strength. The Dems were basically running on “let’s try revive neoliberalism for a third time” (after Obama and then Biden failed to do so), which is as you pointed out, quite delusional and what led to the Dems losing a section/faction of bourgeois support to Trump (Musk, Zuckerberg, et al). As much as Dugin is a borderline, if not straight up fascist, he was right on this, Trump was initially abandoned by the “deep state”/bourgeois in 2020, but gained support from elements of it, alas an “even deeper state” after they realised the state of delusion in the Dem establishment camp. Without this support from this “deeper state” (Musk and silicon valley types like Zuckerberg) Trump would have never been elected, and would not be allowed to do what he is doing now with tarrifs.

        As funny as the JDPON Don memes are, the real JDPON move would’ve been the USA and a flailing Europe trying to revive neoliberalism for a third time while Russia and China work together on constructing an alternative system. The USA has to try something different. Tarrifs + potential expansionism in Greenland and the Great Lakes + protectionism appears to be that difference.

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          They and their base know neoliberalism is a failed economic and political project, understood as “globalism” by the rank and file. This is the reason behind the tariffs and the open plans for annexation and why they’re completely scrapping their pinkwashing propaganda apparatus. They’re simply trying something new, throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. They might be making stupid plays, but the truly stupid play is repeating the same failed script.

          They at least acknowledge that the Titanic has hit an iceberg and are correctly panicking while the Democrats and the neoliberal status quo they represent are still in denial mode about the Titanic even being hit by one.

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    Can’t wait until Trump dies choking on a fish filet and all the allied countries he alienated immediately come back into the fold as though nothing had ever happened.

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      They’re not coming back to the fold, I hope trump lives a long life and I hope America fractures under him. If America fractures the entire planet would be a less violent place for most humanity rather than just white masters

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        no shot the u.s. doesn’t coat the globe in nuclear hellfire the instant it seems like shit is going to go sideways

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          I mean they can, it won’t save them, it would just destroy the world. By that logic so could Pakistan, so could china, UK, France, india and so on. But nukes require intelligence and some level of organisation to maintain and, America is losing allies, therefore bases to operate nukes, firing nuclear workers, gutting the government. America is the most powerful armies on the planet, but half of its power comes from its mass network of allies and military bases, without those you are just the most well defended and isolated nation on earth but invading? Good luck, you couldn’t beat afganistan with nato.

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            it won’t save them, it would just destroy the world

            nothing you said is wrong and it’s just a gut feeling but i personally believe the people in charge find that preferable to a world where the u.s. is no longer dominant.

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              You are absolutely right. I just hope whoever is in direct control of the nuke realised the gravity of their actions and defy orders if need be. Im sure every individual who is even remotely close to such an action understands the gravity of it

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        On the contrary, one of the likely outcomes of Trump’s actions is nuclear proliferation.

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      Yeah this is not just about Trump. Trust in the American voting public has eroded. Even if Trump’s successor reverses everything he has done, America’s allies will never trust the US in the same way.

      Most countries are pursuing strategies to reduce any and all dependencies on the US. While the US continues to hold 20% of the worlds purchasing power (much of it concentrated among the wealthiest Americans) the rest of the world is working to make its economies as robust as possible with the remaining 80%.

      We’re witnessing a change in the world order. The end of American exceptionalism, leaving a power vacuum that will likely favor China and Russia for the forseeable future.

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          He didn’t have a pro tariff administration that time. His win was somewhat unexpected and it didn’t seem like the republican party was ready for it. There were factions within the party that were not on board with his growing popularity.

          He’s surrounded himself with protrctionists now and he has a playbook (Project 2025) to follow.

          This is going to have much longer lasting implications than anything from his first term. We’re not even three months in and the entire world is rethinking the global economic structure and how the US should play a smaller role in it if it is no longer stable or reliable.

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    I’m seeing a lot of 10% countries there. Does anyone know what the 10% countries have in common that the others don’t? I strongly doubt the “Tariffs Charged to the USA (including Currency Manipulation and Trade Barriers” is a real number. It seems more like an arbitrary number they’ve invented to justify going after some countries but not others. There must be a difference between the 10% countries and these other ones that they’re focused on beyond this made up number they’ve invented.

    Madagascar at 93% made up number, what’s that about? Cambodia at 97% made up number, what’s that about? Laos at 95% made up number…

    Reads like a priority target list.

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            That’s stupidly simple and describing it as “including currency manipulation and trade barriers” is ridiculous.

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          So 10% seems to be the default/minimum for countries that have no or little tarrifs on the US. The made up numbers like 97% is not to do with the countries actual tarrifs, but their trade deficit to the United States and total US export. So let’s take Cambodia: $12.3 billion dollar trade deficit with the United States, and U.S. goods exports to Cambodia: $321.6 million. 12.3/321.6 = 0.038, rounded down to 0.03. 1-0.03=0.97, or 97%. I haven’t checked the others, but this seems to be how the numbers are calculated.

          Nah this is wrong the figures are wrong, had a brain fart above. It’s US imports from country, not exports that are used. The explanation below is right:

          US trade deficit with South Africa: $8.8 billion. US goods imports from South Africa: $14.7 billion. 8.8/14.7 = 0.598, or 59.8%.

          US trade deficit with Cambodia: $12.3 billion. U.S. goods imports from Cambodia: $12.7 billion. 12.3/12.7 = 0.969, or 96.9%.

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        What the fuck is with the “currency manipulation and trade barriers” explanation if it’s that simply?

        I hate these people.

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          They want countries to buy American and equalise on exports and imports. In other words, the USA must not have a trade deficit with other countries, the USA wants to reduce it’s trade deficit and the USA wants to start manufacturing and exporting goods themselves, and they want to use tarrifs to create the market conditions to enable this. Cambodia only exports $321 million in goods to the USA, but the USA imports $12.7 billion in goods from Cambodia. Thus a trade deficit of $12.3 billion. Thus the tarrif of 97%. 12.3/12.7=97%. If Cambodia imported more US goods/the US exports more to Cambodia, or if Cambodia exported less goods to be USA/the USA imported less Cambodian goods, or a combination of both, the tarrif would be lower. The only way to get the tarrif to 0 would be to equalise on exports and imports/get trade deficit to zero, or the US having a trade surplus with Cambodia.

          It’s a crazy plan to try force the US to start manufacturing things itself again, on paper.

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            It’s a crazy plan to try force the US to start manufacturing things itself again, on paper.

            Will porky even bite on this? Seems really delusional, and even if they did, it would takes decades to retrain the AmeriKKKan people to work in skilled factory jobs

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          They literally admitted it

          “The numbers [for tariffs by country] have been calculated by the Council of Economic Advisers … based on the concept that the trade deficit that we have with any given country is the sum of all trade practices, the sum of all cheating,” a White House official said, calling it “the most fair thing in the world.”

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            This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. It’s like saying the 7-eleven is “cheating” because I buy more stuff from them than they buy from me.