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I was born in the 80s and some of my earliest memories where the Karate Kid films. If anyone here is in their 40s, they’ll remember the obsession with karate. Kids were signing up for karate lessons left and right. I recall something on TV where kids were demolishing a house using karate (obviously it was staged by whatevs).

Then the 90s happened, and the West got paranoid about Japan taking over. Pop culture produced absurd books about Japan taking over the US, and people literally feared it happening.


I like anime. It’s definitely better than most white culture shit. It just feels like the #1 theme or trope for a video game or series (that isn’t the West) is Japan. I’m just utterly bored to death of Japanese schools, Japanese feudal themes, yakuza shit, Tokyo streets, etc. Yes, it’s 1000 times cooler than New York or Texas. I’d rather play Ace Attorney or a Yakuza game than COD or Modern warfare. I’d rather watch JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure than Family Guy. Japanese stuff is often cooler than Western stuff.

God I can’t complain if Japanese developers want to make something that they know with the language they speak. My big gripe is non-Japanese developers imitating Japan because that’s what sells. Think Genshin Impact, Battle Realms, or Blue Archive. My steam recommendations are filled with Japanese themes made my non Japanese developers. No, I’m not offended. I’d just like to play a game, once, that doesn’t have samurai and geisha. It would be neat to learn about another culture that isn’t Japan. Maybe go to another continent.

Wouldn’t it be neat to play a stealth game in Nigeria or Bolivia, and not yet another game with Samurai.

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    I’m hinestly surprised we aren’t seeing more Chinese-themed things. It’s been a niche fandom in the west for a while now, but with China being what they are today, I’m surprised they aren’t more prominent in media, whether made in China or elsewhere

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    The reason why there’s so much Japanese or Japanese-flavoured media is that the Japanese government has actively funded their media sector for decades with the explicit purpose of swaying people to hold pro-Japanese views as a kind of political soft-power. These efforts have been broadly successful. The material conditions that facilitated these efforts (allowed to gain from the spoils of imperialism to serve as a buffer against communism, a one party state allowing long-term planning, no official military with which utilize hard political power) are largely due to the US-shaped sociopolitical situation that emerged out of post-WWII Japan.

    Consequently, many pieces of Chinese/Korean media actively copy the (now-popular) anime aesthetic partly because it’s known to succeed, and partly because of the effect.

    A pair of (rather long, admittedly) videos on the subject. Disclaimer, the presenter is somewhat of a lib and also a lawyer, but makes a convincing case imo:

    Anime, Propaganda, and Soft Power Politics

    Why Do So Many Gacha Games Pretend To Be Japanese?

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    I think just being willing to be critical instead of fetishize goes a long way. Seven Samurai is an all-time great film for several reasons, but one of them is that it challenges the mythology of the samurai in several ways and, despite the title, the only literal samurai in the narrative are people killed off-screen at an indeterminate point in the past because they were terrorizing peasants.

    Edit: Also, Jojo has an extremely Japanese inflection, but only parts 4 and 8 are set in Japan (and 3 starts in Japan but by episode 2 they leave and don’t come back until basically the epilogue).

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      Seven Samurai is an all-time great film for several reasons, but one of them is that it challenges the mythology of the samurai in several ways and, despite the title, the only literal samurai in the narrative are people killed off-screen at an indeterminate point in the past because they were terrorizing peasants.

      I thought Kikuchiyo was the only one who wasn’t a samurai? The rest were, but they weren’t wealthy or powerful samurai.

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        Technically, the remaining six are ronin rather than samurai. They used to be samurai, at least to the point of coming from a samurai family in the case of the youngest (I don’t remember the exact details if they are even given), but you aren’t really a samurai unless you’re actually serving under a lord, which none of them are when the film takes place. So six are ronin and one is a peasant or something but larps as a samurai.

        We can infer from a couple of factors, not the least of which is actually possessing a substantial amount of armor, that the samurai killed prior to the movie were probably real samurai. It would also be much harder to get away with the crimes they were committing if not for them being under a lord, and if they were career criminals in the eyes of the law then they would probably just be referred to as more bandits by the villagers (because that’s what they would be).

        At least, that’s my understanding of it.

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    I was reading a blog post where the author was specifically going off about how media perception skews so much towards major areas, that whole nations (in the specific case, Greece) are reduced to the major areas (Athens) and this erases smaller regions and their cultures (e.g. Peloponnesus). What I’m saying is, if they are going to do Japan again, I’d like a Kagoshima walking simulator pls

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    I get sad about this a lot. Like in the wasted human potential sense, thinking about all the cool artistic aesthetics and stories we’re missing out on because other cultures don’t get fostered with the same kind of media budget.

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      I watched some classic Senegalese films recently and was dismayed to learn that domestic funding pretty much dried up in the 1980s. Wikipedia:

      Even today in Senegal many cinematographers and people who have knowledge of film production, particularly in Dakar, but don’t have resources. Any films produced since have almost entirely been financed from abroad and exhibited at international film festivals rather than in Senegal.

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    I can’t get extra mad at all of those Tokyo games when there’s also all of those goddamn New York and LA games. I wish studios would set their stories somewhere that isn’t the same four or five places over and over again, but a big corporation isn’t going to subvert the forces of cultural imperialism. Quite the opposite, really. This is all part of the cultural industries reinforcing the global cultural hegemony.

    After all, many of the big games set in versions of US cities aren’t even made by US studios (eg GTA, Cyberpunk). Just like how many of the films set in the US are actually made in Canada. This is all part of cultural production under capitalism. The market logic says that people already watch films and tv shows and play games set in New York, LA, Tokyo, and London, so therefore all films and shows and games must be set in New York, LA, Tokyo, and London. You want to set your story in Tonga or Malaysia or Chile? No, that’s not allowed, it must be in New York or LA or etc etc.

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      TBF that’s more to do with studios wanting a certain baseline of familiarity than an explicit desire to make enforce cultural imperialism hegemony. The global audience has at least a surface level grasp of the cultural nuances of the big urban megalopolis’ like Tokyo, LA, NYC, London, etc. Whereas they have next to no grasp on a place like Tonga or rural northern Alabama, which means more time explaining and less time entertaining. Of course, that greater understanding of major cosmopolitan centers is a side effect of capitalism.

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        It’s not familiarity thats just a byproduct of the cycle. It’s because New York (and Tokyo, London, etc) is important to capitalists and to capitalism and is one of the centres of global power. So the big studios set their stories in New York, people around the world see films etc about New York, people are made to be familiar with New York, so then stories are even more likely to be set in New York because it is important and people around the world are familiar with it. Or rather, they are not familiar with the real New York, they are familiar with the mediated representation of New York. They know New York from watching Friends and Seinfeld, neither of which were filmed in New York.

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          Originally the studios themselves were in NYC (still are to an extent), as that’s where capital was. Also, actors, writers, songwriters, art builders/designers, but all of that is also a byproduct of capital being there. And if we go back to first causes, it’s NYC being at the mouth of the Hudson and thus central for the flow of goods in the Northeast that made it a place capital wanted to be.

          So yes, the familiarity is a byproduct of where the centers of capital are. But it’s not a tautology where NYC is important to capital because it’s important to capital. It’s important to capital because of its material contexts. Even with LA, yeah it formed as a result of filmmakers escaping Thomas Edison’s lawyers, but it also had a lot of barns that could be easily converted to sound stages, and it was a 1-2 drive from locales that could convincingly pass for nearly any biome on film. It served their material needs.

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    I want more games and shows about Japanese culture, but more specifically modern day salarymen in Shinjuku. Those guys rock.

    If I can’t play as the drunkest middle manager to ever exist, what’s even the point?

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    Pop culture produced absurd books about Japan taking over the US, and people literally feared it happening.

    I was a weird nerd as a child (still am I guess) and read my dad’s tom clancy novels. I read debt of honor in grade 4 or 5 not long after it came out. my teacher at the time would sit down with us and talk about books we read as we finished them. that’s how I accidentally spoiled jack ryan becoming president to a 40 year old man when I was 11.

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    Tales of Kenzera: ZAU is a metroidvania set in an African-themed world, although I don’t think it’s historically or mythologically any one specific place in Africa. Fantasy-world Africa as it were.

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    I would love more Indian media but I don’t like Bollywood and someday soon I’ll run out of left-wing Bengali directors.