• Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    And the other side does everything in their power to enable and empower those nazis.

    Libs really will be doing this “we need to vote for 99% Hitler to beat 100% Hitler” thing until the end of time, aren’t they?

    • LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      One side is fascists eager to put us all into camps and the other side is fascists pretending to be moderate Adults In the Room building the camps for the other fascists to put us into when they inevitably lose an election once “we’re marginally better than the other guys” stops motivating people to vote for them

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      Look, sweetie, how else do you expect to work with the other side of the aisle if you don’t compromise with the Nazis and give them some of what they want? Demonstrating that respecting the standards and norms of DC upholds democracy will sway the Nazis, because obviously everyone sees centrist liberals as the moral arbiters for all politics.

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    “It’s over, I have already depicted you as being smug about not being a genocide supporter, and myself as hopelessly lost in the sauce.”

    No but for real there are some feelings that went into this depiction

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      Unless they larp with swastikas and Hitler salutes, Americans cannot identify Nazis. They talk to their 50-year-old Democrat neighbor who is pro-cop, against “race mixing”, and anti-union and so long this neighbor is friendly they think, “oh that’s just a different generation”.

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        I am reminded of a Robert Fedvans Behind the Bastards episode I listened to many years ago about “the little nazis: the nice, reasonable people who made the Holocaust possible.”

        In the context at the time, I made the connection that this was a dire warning about how conservatives were perfectly capable of doing a genocide here. And the way a lot of radlibs took it, too.

        But then liberals did genocide in Palestine, and it turns out that episode, while probably not intended to be about liberals, describes them too.

        That saying about if you sit at a table and one Nazi sits down and nobody beats his ass, you don’t have one Nazi, you have 10 applies here too. The liberals defend their genocidal fellow party members, and in so doing damn themselves. The Democratic Party is the party of genocide.

        idk where I’m going with this, it’s a set of disconnected sentences that have some connection I’m too tired to articulate right now.

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          The Holocaust was made possible by the everyday Germans outside of the Nazi party and not part of the military or police. They were the ones who snitched on their neighbors hiding Jews. They were the ones who took part in the public executions not at dissimilar to lynchings of black people in the United States. They profited from the war that was plundering its way through Europe.

          It’s no different here. Liberals, like the Germans who aided the nazis in the Holocaust, are aiding reactionaries to genocide Gaza and deport undesirables out of the US. The only difference is they aren’t getting compensation for their complicity the way the Germans did. They’re doing this for free.

          • Yes. And I don’t get why. There must be something they get out of doing this. Some psychological or emotional benefit, at least. But I don’t know what it could be. Maybe it just let’s them keep believing in the lie that everything will be fine, they’ll be safe from fascism if they abet fascism.

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        Americans can’t identify Nazis even if they’re larping with swastikas and Hitler Salutes. They just say “Oh that’s just Ukrainian culture”. It certainly fucking isn’t, Ukraine did the more to defeat the Nazis than any western ally.

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          Libs have adopted the conservative thing from like 2017 where actually nobody is a nazi and there’s no such thing as nazis anymore, and actually you’re just a crazy SJW tankie who calls anyone who simply disagrees a fascist. Back when this strategy was directed at them they made an entire Breadtube about it, but now that they’re directing it at us they’ve all developed amnesia.

          I’m just waiting to hear one say "Erm, but I’m not a member of the National Socialist party in 1930s Germanyberdly-smug " and the great wheel of chuddification will have completed another cycle.

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    The genocide began under Biden; saying ‘the other side has nazis, like, real nazis’ when the genocide started and was maintained (with full support) under Biden makes it obvious both sides are functionally the same.

    I pointed this out before, but when Trump was president people went up to the border camps demanding an end to the horrific practices being committed against the people there, but when Biden won, they all dispersed in a week even though the camps didn’t get shut down.

    Libs saying that if Kamala had won that they’d all be out to brunch is just revealing they didn’t give a damn about what’s being done to people in Gaza; the genocide wouldn’t have ended under her, but as far as they’re concerned everything would now be right with the world; blue genocide > red genocide.

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      Oh, when libs say “Nazi” they aren’t referring to people who are actively supporting if not perpetrating a genocide. They mean people who LARP as WW2 nazis and maybe people like nick fuentes if they feel spicy.

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        It has been a genocide for many decades, but a relatively slow moving one, partly because that made it easier to deny and pass off with the false pretense of being a more symmetric conflict. To anyone with eyes and a heart, it was already undeniably a genocide, though relatively slow burning, with bursts of intensification at times. However it is also undeniable that it entered a new, more extreme phase when the Entity used the October 7th uprising as an excuse to drastically ramp up their rate of mass murder as well as how open and obvious they have become with their intent to completely eradicate Gaza. Four years ago most people, even many who were generally sympathetic to Palestinians, might have been a bit hesitant to use the word genocide (even if they should have), but not anymore. Any person who sees what’s happening now and still won’t use the word has very specific interests in blatant genocide denial. And of course it was during the Biden administration that this newest phase of all out extermination started.

    • whiskers165 [she/her, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      I like what you’re saying but I would humbly like to point out that the genocide was happening before Trump or Biden. Israel has been tightening the noose around Gaza’s neck for a long time. I’ve heard people calling it a genocide or ethnic cleansing for at least ten years, idk when you would say the technical line into genocide was crossed

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      The genocide began under Biden; saying ‘the other side has nazis, like, real nazis’ when the genocide started and was maintained (with full support) under Biden makes it obvious both sides are functionally the same.

      to am*rilibs being a “real nazi” means hurting am*ricans, they do not care about outsiders at all
      to them, the “israeli” genocide of Palestinians is just a talking point

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    Social media has trained the public to seek some group to blame, like the non-voters and protest voters. And completely ignore the problems stemming from the rules of the system, rules that lead to predictably bad outcomes, leading to fascism. Partially because of propaganda but also just because it takes much more time to explain and discuss and that’s not entertaining. It feels like there will never be any movement on how to change society.

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    I’d ask why didn’t Biden on his way out dismantle ICE and defund the CBP which would have made Trump’s job harder having to recruit and train replacements but then again that’s expecting average liberals to remember past election cycles.